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Cymek Agamemnon
Blood Moon Traders Zero Fux.
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:16:04 -
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I'm still trying to get used to how different some of the mechanics in Eve are from other games. In particular the market and loot systems. I'm used to other games where you just take all the loot you don't want and sell it. However with the limits on open orders and the fact that there are so many versions of every item it doesn't seem like that works very well in Eve. Am I missing something or am I destined to have hundreds of items I don't really want clogging up my inventory in station? |
Ryder 'ook
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:24:04 -
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My rule of thumb is to set an arbitrary cutoff in ISK-value, e.g. 100k ISK.
Everything that is cheaper (use the price indicator in the inventory window) is reprocessed and everything worth more is kept to be sold at a market hub.
And use containers to make your inventory window leaner.
Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1026
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:45:48 -
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There's very little "trash loot" in eve. Almost everything that drops from npcs has some kind of value to some player out there.
You will almost always get more money setting prices yourself instead of just clicking "sell", however this takes more time and effort.
You have to judge yourself if that time and effort is worth manually setting prices, or are you better of just hitting "sell all" and going about your business.
As with the order limitations, again pick what is most valuable and sell those before you go for the 10k isk items |
Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:46:27 -
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Cymek Agamemnon wrote:I'm still trying to get used to how different some of the mechanics in Eve are from other games. In particular the market and loot systems. I'm used to other games where you just take all the loot you don't want and sell it. However with the limits on open orders and the fact that there are so many versions of every item it doesn't seem like that works very well in Eve. Am I missing something or am I destined to have hundreds of items I don't really want clogging up my inventory in station?
You can always reprocess you loot into minerals going by the above criteria. Sell those.
Or keep the named loot, you might want it later on, or it sell for better value than T1 stuff. Then there is the grey zone item, like Experimental 10mn microwarp drive, which is used in lots of various standard pvp fits.
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Tyrone Arran
The Forgotten Order
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Posted - 2015.02.23 15:51:05 -
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You can always try out Pro Synergy's service. They have a BOL (Bag of Loot) service that might appeal to you.
I use their salvaging service for missions, since I would otherwise not loot and salvage. In the end I make more ISK spending time running missions and get a nice little ISK bump every week from the salvage and loot. |
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
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Posted - 2015.02.23 16:07:23 -
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I ignore loots up to lvl4 missions. I pick up trash wotrh more than 250k then sell I love mercenary missions, they drop 100%. At least for me |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.23 16:53:04 -
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Indeed the entire backbone of eve is the player driven economy. Pretty much everything in game has a value. If you don't like dealing with the loot you do have the option of not gathering it. In most cases speed running missions is more isk per hour than looting and salvaging anyway.
However like others have said you can set some arbitrary limit or do something like set a filter and filter out all meta 4 modules and reprocess everything else.
In the past I have seen apps that you download and use an api key to pull a list of your assets and determine reprocessed values. These are old apps that I doubt have kept up with there have been module change and reprocessing changes so I don't recommend them however if you would like to experiment with them go ahead.
There is a reddit thread on this and in there I saw someone mention that in game if you go to reprocess items there is some type of indication as to which items you might not want to melt down. Also you could group items and put them in station containers. When you open the station container there is an estimated isk value in the lower right-hand corner. You could then select-all and drag the stuff to your hangar bay and get a reprocessing quote and see exactly how many of each mineral you will get. Evemon does have a mineral worksheet that you can use to enter mineral quantities and get a total value so then you could compare the isk value of the minerals versus the estimated isk value of the loot. Keep in mind that refining can vary depending on your location and skills as well as implants but that is another discussion .
Eve can be spreadsheets in space if you like spreadsheets but there is no need for it to be that way. Like I have said you can not bother with the loot or use blanket judgments to sell off or melt down large portions of it which is probably a better use of your time than sorting through it.
I will mention that Damage Control Units of any meta are valuable as well as higher meta medium (heavy) missile launchers. Often things used a lot in PvP like warp scramblers and webs are valuable also. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:08:37 -
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Time is isk and it takes a lot of time to sell it all for max profit, if you are in a remote missioning system far from hubs like I am, just let it build up to about 250 mil trash included and put it all up on contract for 200 mil, they have always sold within a week.
Passing the burden of sorting and selling to someone else for a cut of the value is well worth the saved time.
Don't rely on the estimate in the window, use evepraisal.com for an estimate.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:33:16 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=406166&find=unread
2 threads on pretty much the exact same thing posted within about 24 hours of each other. |
Justin Zaine
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:12:44 -
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When I'm running missions (Paladin + looting, I don't bother with salvage) I usually use MTU's to gather it all up for me. Warp into mission pocket, drop an MTU, come back later and scoop to cargo.
Since my missioning system is about 10 jumps away from Amarr, it would be impractical to move all the loot I accumulate all the time, So I let it stockpile in the station until the stacks are valuable enough to bother selling.
Every couple dozen missions I run, I'll do one trip to Amarr to sell the loot, and to decide what to sell I just hit the "Valuable Items" filter and leave everything that isn't worth more than one or two hundred thousand isk in the station until more of it accumulates, at which point I will then move it to Amarr to sell it off.
I used to be a big mission salvager with perfect Noctis skills. I would loot and salvage all the time and what I found is that if you worry about selling every single item after you're finished a night of Noctis-ing, it gets extremely time consuming.
So yeah.
Don't put up your own orders. You're only losing ~ 10% profit by selling immediately on most items.
Also wait for stacks of cheap things to accumulate to the point where the entire stack is worth a few hundred thousand isk.
Wheeeeeee
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:21:24 -
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I setup inventory filters.
Meta 4+ : Keep or resell via sell-orders. Value < 100,001 ISK : "Trash"
The trash I can't be bothered to sell, so I reprocess it (I get 55% of the minerals), though selling it via mass-sell to buy-orders is probably a decent strategy too.
EDIT: An alternative is to dump everything into a freight container, and make a contract for it when it is full. There are web tools you can copy-and-paste (CTRL-A CTRL-C CTRL-V) the content list into to get the ballpark price. |
Dredd Lochness Munster
Dredd Lochness Munster Corporation
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:02:37 -
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Cymek Agamemnon wrote:I'm still trying to get used to how different some of the mechanics in Eve are from other games. In particular the market and loot systems. I'm used to other games where you just take all the loot you don't want and sell it. However with the limits on open orders and the fact that there are so many versions of every item it doesn't seem like that works very well in Eve. Am I missing something or am I destined to have hundreds of items I don't really want clogging up my inventory in station?
Reprocess!
1) Just below the window control buttons (minimize, close), the inventory window has icons for views. Switch from the default icon view to the details view. Right-click in the header and choose "Show Meta Level". Click meta level column header to sort. Select all the meta 1 and 2. Right click, reprocess.
2) The reprocess screen has a "value before" and "value after". If it is anywhere close to the same, accept the reprocess. If something looks way off, then go ahead and check the reprocess items to see if there is something in there that you do NOT want to reprocess... right-click and remove.
3) Grab the meta 3 and reprocess. Again, if you are facing a big value drop, check what item(s) may be causing it and remove them from the reprocess.
4) The meta 4 stuff, hover over 1 by 1. Anything in the 10K or less range, ctrl-click to multi-select, and toss into reprocess.
5) When you get down to the high value meta 4, you'll have to one type at a time, compare the reprocess to the market details. Sell orders for items that sell for higher than reprocss value. Reprocess even the high value meta 4 if the market is close to the output of reprocessing.
6) The one thing you DO NOT want to do is sell stuff for 90% off market. These are low-ball offers from people buying for way below reprocess output value, that plan to reprocess themsleves, then sell the minerals.
7) I even end up reprocessing a lot of drones and ammo, even if I'm taking a hit on value. Takes too long, and I don't have enough sell orders for all of it. Melt it down to stuff that DOES sell quickly.
8) sell the minerals.
You can switch back to the icon view when you're not sorting ammo to be melted.
There are skills for reprocess... train or not as you desire. |
Justin Zaine
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:29:38 -
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As stated, there are skills that affect reprocessing.
However, I think those are the same skills that affect stuff like Mining lasers and Yield and ewww, who wants to train those.
To each their own I guess but I find that the nearly 50% reprocessing fee is a bit too high for my liking.
Like I said, don't throw those 10k isk items in the reprocessing bin. Stockpile them until you have a stack of 10 or 20, then sell them all for the 100 - 200 thousand isk they're actually worth.
Less effort and time spent for more isk at the end of the day
Wheeeeeee
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Dredd Lochness Munster
Dredd Lochness Munster Corporation
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:49:15 -
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Justin Zaine wrote:As stated, there are skills that affect reprocessing. However, I think those are the same skills that affect stuff like Mining lasers and Yield and ewww, who wants to train those. To each their own I guess but I find that the nearly 50% reprocessing fee is a bit too high for my liking. Like I said, don't throw those 10k isk items in the reprocessing bin. Stockpile them until you have a stack of 10 or 20, then sell them all for the 100 - 200 thousand isk they're actually worth. Less effort and time spent for more isk at the end of the day
Even perfect reprocessors no longer get 100%, So the hit for no skills is more like 25-30% below perfect, not 50% the screen shows.
All those 10K items that you stockpile and sell in batches for 100K, you probably could have reprocesed into 200K or more of minerals. There are A LOT of low ball purchase prices that are WAY, WAY, WAY under the price that even someone with no skills could reprocess and sell the minerals for. |
Cymek Agamemnon
Blood Moon Traders Zero Fux.
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Posted - 2015.02.24 13:46:08 -
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Dredd Lochness Munster wrote: All those 10K items that you stockpile and sell in batches for 100K, you probably could have reprocesed into 200K or more of minerals. There are A LOT of low ball purchase prices that are WAY, WAY, WAY under the price that even someone with no skills could reprocess and sell the minerals for.
Thanks, I'll have to look more closely into just reprocessing stuff. The low-ball prices seem really common which is why I never do the sell immediately. It seems like the bid/ask spread is sometimes 2x or more. I see lots of people offering 10%-20% of what the sellers are asking for. Seems like lots of time to manage sell orders on every single item so reprocessing and only selling the minerals might work better. |
Aursentris
Council of Stellar Erections
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:37:19 -
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Cymek Agamemnon wrote:I'm still trying to get used to how different some of the mechanics in Eve are from other games. In particular the market and loot systems. I'm used to other games where you just take all the loot you don't want and sell it. However with the limits on open orders and the fact that there are so many versions of every item it doesn't seem like that works very well in Eve. Am I missing something or am I destined to have hundreds of items I don't really want clogging up my inventory in station?
You can always give me all your loots. I dont mind keeping them for you. |
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