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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:44:00 -
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OP you're a creative genius and a gentleman and a scholar and given how trolled these mouth breathers are in this thread I'd say you're doing it right. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:44:00 -
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POW! |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
351
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:44:00 -
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DrDan21 wrote: EvE is a PvP game, and you can make billions in nullsec without really using much effort if you know how
Everything in EVE is pvp. Dur hur. Market manipulation, combat, mining, hauling. Extract your brain-housing group from your posterier region. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Lars Lemur
5
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:48:00 -
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DrDan21 wrote:EvE is a PvP game
Damn!
I thought it was a sci-fi themed massive multiplayer online computer game, with player vs. player spaceship combat as one of its aspects...
Sorry for the misunderstanding! |
Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:49:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:Nikola Aivoras wrote:Ethzera wrote:Nikola Aivoras wrote:I suppose you believe the people who tell you the grass is purple, even though you see that it is clearly green? At least I have the capacity to accept that things may not be as they seem. Just because you see green grass doesn't mean it's truly green, or that it's even really there. But this is a philosophical discussion for another time. Spare me the new-age philosophical crap. It's a way for relativists to justify their actions when they can't find a reason in the real world. After all, the world is really an illusion, right? I love you. Relativism is a plague that should have been eradicated at its source.
Even in physics?
What I think you meant to say, is that Post-Modernism is a plague that should have been eradicated at its source. And contrary to the beliefs of Post-Modernists, that source was not Nietzsche.
People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?" Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money. -Gene Simmons |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:55:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Shivus Tao wrote:Nikola Aivoras wrote:Ethzera wrote:Nikola Aivoras wrote:I suppose you believe the people who tell you the grass is purple, even though you see that it is clearly green? At least I have the capacity to accept that things may not be as they seem. Just because you see green grass doesn't mean it's truly green, or that it's even really there. But this is a philosophical discussion for another time. Spare me the new-age philosophical crap. It's a way for relativists to justify their actions when they can't find a reason in the real world. After all, the world is really an illusion, right? I love you. Relativism is a plague that should have been eradicated at its source. Even in physics?
Yes because without relativity we could be cruising space at FTL speeds and having all the blue babes IN REAL LIFE I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
71
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:58:00 -
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I did not read the whole OP as I have read amny things like it and know exactly what he was going ot ramble on about, not because it was too long.
That being said the thread as a whole was an epic read
I avoided giving out too many likes, but it took restarint.
Slade
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Khamelea
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:04:00 -
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Wow, did someone actually give a thousand monkeys a thousand type writers? What a load of incoherent drivel! |
Ghoest
23
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:12:00 -
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I smell bipolar disorder. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:24:00 -
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Confirming this is indeed a manifesto.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
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Lil Nippy
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:25:00 -
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That post was seriously crazy man I got to admit I didn't read it all but god damn.
Yeah high sec miners are pretty lame, why they even play the game at all is beyond me. I have always thought profitable rocks should only be out in low sec and null sec to create more PvP/industry hybrid corps, but sadly I guess CCP does not share my thoughts. High sec miners simply do not get the entire experience of eve or even seem to care, I think they just get off on the fact that they can make more cash in a video than in real life and it gives them a self esteem boost lol. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
351
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:26:00 -
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Lil Nippy wrote:That post was seriously crazy man I got to admit I didn't read it all but god damn.
Yeah high sec miners are pretty lame, why they even play the game at all is beyond me. I have always thought profitable rocks should only be out in low sec and null sec to create more PvP/industry hybrid corps, but sadly I guess CCP does not share my thoughts. High sec miners simply do not get the entire experience of eve or even seem to care, I think they just get off on the fact that they can make more cash in a video than in real life and it gives them a self esteem boost lol.
Shhh, before you hurt yourself. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:28:00 -
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OP, I applaud your level of insanity, and condemn the depths of your megalomania. Few would take the time to write such a coherent troll, though. So well done. Do us all a favor and click that little skull at the bottom of your selection screen.
9/10 |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
118
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:31:00 -
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Why do people play Zombie Farm or Sim City? Some people like a mundane, monotonous activity like munching rocks. Their enjoyment comes from maximizing yields by manipulating fittings, ships and tactics.
It aint for me but I don't begrudge those that dig it.
Also, this is further evidence to me that both are needed, suicide ganker and miner alike. We get too much of either camp and everything breaks down. I don't root for either of you, rather I root for both, simultaneously.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
351
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:34:00 -
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Famble wrote: Also, this is further evidence to me that both are needed, suicide ganker and miner alike. We get too much of either camp and everything breaks down. I don't root for either of you, rather I root for both, simultaneously.
Here is someone that gets it. +1 to you sir. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
SpaceSquirrels
17
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:41:00 -
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Eve Antonovich wrote:Is there a tl;dr?
Yeah "I'm a **** with way way way too much time on my hand." No one should write this much about about a video game..hell reviews by professionals aren't even this long. Hell some guides on eve aren't this long.
I'm actually curious why gankers wish to explain themselves or say seek approval. I always figured it was for kicks. Also whats the difference between a high sec bot and a 0.0 bot? I figured both were bad. |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
26
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:49:00 -
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to the OP: FOCUS...
that term paper isn't going to write itself.
now, back to mining. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:49:00 -
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Famble wrote:Why do people play Zombie Farm or Sim City? Some people like a mundane, monotonous activity like munching rocks. Their enjoyment comes from maximizing yields by manipulating fittings, ships and tactics.
It aint for me but I don't begrudge those that dig it.
Also, this is further evidence to me that both are needed, suicide ganker and miner alike. We get too much of either camp and everything breaks down. I don't root for either of you, rather I root for both, simultaneously.
Just imagine if all these people were applying their massive brainpower for optimizing actual real-life processes and for scientific research.
For example, I'm this close to using Matlab to determine exactly where in terms of system security status it becomes more efficient to use artillery alpha rather than blasters, but each time I open the file and start coding I just feel bad for wasting this much effort on an game. I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
Zuju
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:00:00 -
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This manifesto was a fascinating read good sir.
This Gentlemanne of Leisure wishes you good fortune in your future endeavors. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
67
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:22:00 -
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DrDan21 wrote:ACY GTMI wrote:Isn't it true that many, if not most, PvPers support their ship losses with macro miners?
Macro mining? Are you kidding? If we wanted to waste our time picking up the pennies like you guys do in highsec maybe. We have much more profitable opportunities. I think I've gathered a total of like 1000 veldspar for a mission once...and I think I've ran probably close to like 6 missions ever.... EvE is a PvP game, and you can make billions in nullsec without really using much effort if you know how
Wrong, Its not a pvp game at all. Its an open world mmo that you can do pretty much whatever you want. For you its a pvp game, big ******* difference mate.
I would say you should know that, but you are in test after all. |
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Dietrich III
Reunincapacitators Nabaal Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:22:00 -
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OP, I already know you will ignore the naysayers of your craft in this thread (and in local), as you should. Your manifesto was a fantastic read and you've converted me from someone who just condoned highsec miner ganking into a fervent supporter of the practice.
If you too want to bring excitement back into this great game then take arms, rid the once pristine hisec ice belts of these heartless carebear desecrators and restore them to their former glory! |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
351
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:24:00 -
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Dietrich III wrote:OP, I already know you will ignore the naysayers of your craft in this thread (and in local), as you should. Your manifesto was a fantastic read and you've converted me from someone who just condoned highsec miner ganking into a fervent supporter of the practice.
If you too want to bring excitement back into this great game then take arms, rid the once pristine hisec ice belts of these heartless carebear desecrators and restore them to their former glory!
Bring the pain, I'm ready. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:32:00 -
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Dietrich III wrote:OP, I already know you will ignore the naysayers of your craft in this thread (and in local), as you should. Your manifesto was a fantastic read and you've converted me from someone who just condoned highsec miner ganking into a fervent supporter of the practice.
If you too want to bring excitement back into this great game then take arms, rid the once pristine hisec ice belts of these heartless carebear desecrators and restore them to their former glory!
Oh crap ganking is becoming mainstream, better train up mining barges I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
Caldari Citizen345893746
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:38:00 -
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**reads 50% of first post and starts to fall asleep, scrolls down to quickly see how much is left to read..........LOLs**
ganking is done purely because ... wait for it ... you can. |
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:39:00 -
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Famble wrote:Why do people play Zombie Farm or Sim City? Some people like a mundane, monotonous activity like munching rocks. Their enjoyment comes from maximizing yields by manipulating fittings, ships and tactics.
It aint for me but I don't begrudge those that dig it.
Also, this is further evidence to me that both are needed, suicide ganker and miner alike. We get too much of either camp and everything breaks down. I don't root for either of you, rather I root for both, simultaneously.
This very nicely sums up my view as well. The OP is some amazingly written narcissistic drivel, but the gankers are still a large part of what makes EVE what it is. That's what makes this sandbox great.
PS to the OP, loved the environmentalist touch with the ice belt description. 9/10. :D |
Sil Nela
Special Operations Command
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:54:00 -
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OP - Wow, what a read. This has to be one of the best articles posted on the forum. 10/10.
Now, as an industrialist and a, yes I am going to put it out there, a high-sec miner I agree with everything you wrote. The majority of high-sec miners do nothing to protect themselves and deserve everything they get.
I am currently sat here mining ice in the 'off-limits' gallente region of space awaiting the inevitable suicide ship(s) to appear. As I speak there are currently 8-10 bots in the belt which I am about to report to CCP.
If high-sec miners do not like getting suicide ganked then man up and grow a pair. Do not fly in a ship that is designed to be used in null-sec and only fit a scanner in the mids. Do as the OP complained about and adapt, innovate, fight back.
Anyhoo, my mack is full of ice and needs emptying. |
Arlbash Dested
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:00:00 -
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And I quote:
"If she won the duel, I was to leave the system forever. If I won, nothing would happen. But in exchange, prior to the duel, she would CONCORD her mining ship. I accepted these terms and waited in the Ice Field with my Ibis while she took the time to fit her ship with mining equipment.
When she warped into the Ice Field, she was out of range, so I instructed her to attack one of the miners with her attack drones. She did, and she was promptly CONCORDed for her troubles. After her aggression period expired, she launched her rokh and asked me to meet for our high-stakes duel.
I demurred. I announced that although I was canceling the duel for lack of interest (on my part), I would continue to shoot all of her miner friends in the Ice Field...."
Ok, so if I have this right - you agreed to a fair duel, the pre-condition for which was that the miner would lose their ship... she went through with it, and blew her ship up, and then you chickened out? Wow. Just wow.
EVE folks - time to abandon the current mechanics due to idiots like this. Make PvP attacks impossible in Hi-sec, and make mining such that it's not automate-able (and more fun). Give the users the ability to mine for about 1/2 hour, in a single ship, without having to dump ore, or multi-acc, or bot, or whatever.
You want more fun and more action - make earning ISK or ships or ship parts easier! I wouldn't mind losing a ship or two so much if I didn't have to spend so much time earning it!
Compare your game to something like Lotro... in Lotro, there is a story, an epic you go through, that will take you a long time to finish. In order to do so, there are some grinds, but the eye is always on the story, and getting back to it.
In EVE, it's only the grind - grind to get money, and better ships... but why? Especially when there's always human garbage like the OP who are more than willing or ready to gank you out of what you worked hard to gain.
I think I'm slowly starting to talk myself out of this game. I'm tired of ... well, not having fun. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:03:00 -
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Can you all please stop badposting with alts?
Or do you all have 0 likes because this is your first post on the forums I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
162
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:04:00 -
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That was a huge wall of text with excuses to justify you feeling good about yourself (while being critical of miners who do the same)
Coupled with a fair number of inaccurate whitewashes and several strawman arguments you went a long way to do what I can simply sum up as this.
You suicide gank miners because you feel like doing it, because you can and you get a sense of fun and enjoyment out of it.
Funnily enough, some people mine for the exact same reasons, they enjoy doing it because they find it fun (yes fun is perceptive) and they find it enjoyable.
Personally? Play the game however you want, if you find yourself having to justify it to other people then you're doing it wrong. Why give a flying crap about what other people think, so long as you're not breaking the game rules then your account is yours to do what you want with it. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
8
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:07:00 -
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Cardinal rule of the Internet: Unless someone asks for instructions/help or you are someone relatively famous in a given community, no one will read something longer than 7 sentences.
Also, never call something your "manifesto". It was a term used by philosophers and revolutionaries a century ago. Today it is only used by lunatics, which in your case may be appropriate. |
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