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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:58:12 -
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x4p3x/tengu_nerf_on_chaos/
CCP_Rise comment is near bottom. Tengu nerf confirmed.
Hahaha. P.S. No Ishtar nerf or Proteus nerf lol. Just tengu |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9904
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:59:52 -
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Was bound to happen.. I for one welcome our new Ishtar Overlords.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15190
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:00:24 -
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One is better than none.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
934
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:02:51 -
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Maybe do as Rise suggested and wait until after o7 to wig out?
EDIT: the **** are you talking about Ned? You know where you are, right?
Don't get lost alone
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2153
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:04:38 -
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Finally. Ishtar next please.
I don't expect you to balance it properly. I just want a different favour of the year.
How about shield battleships for 2015? Next year we can go back to Zealots maybe? |
Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
61
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:10:12 -
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I would like for CCP to get out of the balancing game entirely...or atleast eventually...
Harry Saq for CSM X
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Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
732
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:43:46 -
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ITT: NOTHING ABOUT THE ISHTAR
...this thread sucks. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:57:17 -
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Crying about no HAC nerf in a T3 thread?
Ishtar whiners are a seriously dedicated bunch.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6311
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:02:35 -
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I'm 14 days from Tengu.
14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".
Seriously, I thought this. I was right.
If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.
For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:05:01 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm 14 days from Tengu.
14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".
Seriously, I thought this. I was right.
If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.
For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians?
Tengu is like the Drake: Space herpes. Why did you choose to get space herpes?
I'm old Gregor.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20040
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:05:54 -
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Didn't see anything about missiles, cant be a Tengu nerf.
As we all know, any change to any missile is a nerf to the Tengu according to everyone who ever posted in a missile thread ever.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30606
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:17:39 -
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as a T3 holdout I am pleased by this news
Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
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Ciel993
Vision Partners End of Natural Lifetime
0
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:28:00 -
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hmm, doesn't seem to affect PVE tengu, still good. |
Orlacc
814
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:39:06 -
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Other than Newbs, who flies Tengus?
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6311
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:52:24 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm 14 days from Tengu.
14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".
Seriously, I thought this. I was right.
If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.
For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians? Tengu is like the Drake: Space herpes. Why did you choose to get space herpes?
Bug chasing I guess. At 85M SP I'm running out of stuff to train for.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15190
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:52:28 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm 14 days from Tengu.
14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".
Seriously, I thought this. I was right.
If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.
For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians?
Don't stop training, your curse only works if you go through with it. Your sacrifice is a noble one.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6311
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:54:50 -
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baltec1 wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm 14 days from Tengu.
14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".
Seriously, I thought this. I was right.
If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.
For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians? Don't stop training, your curse only works if you go through with it. Your sacrifice is a noble one.
But... but... if I don't go aspergian on those green checkmarks in my skill sheet I might end up doing something rash, like improving things in RL. Then the trouble really starts. I got skills for ships I have never flown.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1600
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:56:41 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm 14 days from Tengu.
14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".
Seriously, I thought this. I was right.
If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.
For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians? Tengu is like the Drake: Space herpes. Why did you choose to get space herpes? Bug chasing I guess. At 85M SP I'm running out of stuff to train for.
Please start training for all supers. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2009
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Posted - 2015.02.25 20:57:44 -
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Now is the time to speculate on tear buckets |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
900
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Posted - 2015.02.25 21:02:00 -
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Hmm hope those aren't final numbers step in the right direction especially the sig reduction on adaptive shielding, but too much HP nerf, not quite enough sig penalty (on supplemental) for my tastes. I'm guessing the recharge bonus is just so as to reach parity with where it was before for PVE use as passive fits would be hit hard by the reduced natural regen. |
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
844
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Posted - 2015.02.25 21:10:48 -
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Oh great t3s maybe they will fix loki so it can be used w shild web combo outside l3 missions. |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.02.25 21:12:38 -
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do you mind at least include the quote in your OP ??
It's a hell to scroll through that drivel in comments |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2015.02.25 21:15:50 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:do you mind at least include the quote in your OP ??
It's a hell to scroll through that drivel in comments Looks like you fell for a very clever and subtle "waste your time" troll, eh
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2155
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Posted - 2015.02.25 21:25:33 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm 14 days from Tengu.
14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".
Seriously, I thought this. I was right.
If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.
For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians?
I was training another char into them at the same time. I guess you could say I did it on purpose to try and trigger exactly this kind of thing =p
Everyone train for Ishtars now.
Or make new characters and train those for Ishtars cause I swear, there is not a character left that can't fly them yet. |
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
316
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:08:25 -
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Sigh i just queued up my subsystem and strategic cruiser skills
"goes in the corner to cry" |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:14:25 -
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Guaranteed the Proteus and Legion will see a change to Augmented Plating from +10% to +5% and an adjustment to base armour hit points. Let the tears commence... Now we just need to change the Ishtar to hybrids and eliminate drones from it altogether.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15190
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:28:04 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Now we just need to change the Ishtar to hybrids and eliminate drones from it altogether.
No no. All we do is remove the sentries from it, the rage will be all the more potent if they can still use the heavies.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Blobskillz McBlub
Manson Family Advent of Fate
23
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:34:06 -
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adjusting the EHP is hardly the problem for a ship that is mainly used in 100+ man fights where ship EHP begins to matter less and less as DPS from so many players will alpha almost anything.
the core problem with the tengu is its range bonus to medium hybrid weapons which gives it damage application capabilities at ranges which should be reserved for battleship sized guns.
this is also the same problem on the Ishtar |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15190
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:39:26 -
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Blobskillz McBlub wrote:adjusting the EHP is hardly the problem for a ship that is mainly used in 100+ man fights where ship EHP begins to matter less and less as DPS from so many players will alpha almost anything.
the core problem with the tengu is its range bonus to medium hybrid weapons which gives it damage application capabilities at ranges which should be reserved for battleship sized guns.
this is also the same problem on the Ishtar
Oh it is very much the battleship like tank on a ship with a tiny sig.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1130
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:43:50 -
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http://youtu.be/73-GmF_ZnJo
tl;dr if you don't want to watch the very short clip: I am not impressed.
HP MATH (with 2x LSE II and 3x CDFE II): x = shield HP. x * 1.5 = 33907HP. x = 33907/1.5 = 22604HP before the % bonus from the SSS. 22604 * 1.25 (new bonus) = 28255HP, which coincidentally is the exact same amount of raw shield HP the current hull will have if you remove a single CDFE II rig, which many pilots already do if their skills aren't perfect. The new hull will still have 224k EHP with links before heat. This is still far more than it should have and still completely supersedes all battleships.
Rebalance the Tengu engineering subsystems so that the Cap Regeneration Matrix does not give more flat PG than the Powergrid Multiplier (PGx from here-on) flat bonus * percent bonus, and does not give more flat total cap than the Augmented Cap Reservoir flat bonus * percent bonus. The CRM is better than every other subsystem in every way except heat dissipation. Speaking of which, reduce the flat PG on the Supplemental Coolant Injector as well. It has the same flat PG as the CRM. Too much PG!
This will force the Tengu to use the PGx to get the grid it needs for a 2x LSE II fit, as well as giving it another high slot and turret hardpoint in exchange for the lost dps low-slot. With 6 turrets and 2x MFS IIs it's new dps will be 515 (from 482, a 6.8% increase) with CN Antimatter, which is a very slight increase in dps and a noticeable (13.5%) increase in volley damage from 1439 to 1634. But it also means more cap usage. Total cap life will now be 6'28" because no more cap regen matrix. This is still in-line with current HAC dps and volley damage numbers.
This is balanced! This means the Tengu will hit a bit harder early, but will have less staying power, especially since its resists depend on all those active hardeners.
Using the PGx instead of the CRM and figuring the increase in total turrets, the Tengu will be right at its max PG without any implants and will still have an open utility high slot. So if you want to fill that utility high slot, you need to either remove a low slot damage module for an RCU, or remove a CDFE II for an ACR. Doing so will allow it to fit a small nuet or cyno without any issue. I consider both of these fitting sacrifices well-balanced. Removing a CDFE II will leave it with 162k EHP before heat. You could even remove all 3 and still have 138k EHP, which is far more EHP than any HAC in the game while still maintaining a perfectly viable ship that is not completely destroying the sub-cap meta.
SIGRAD.
+8m sigRad. Pathetic. With 2x LSE IIs, this will up its sigRad from 207 to 215. Throw on those 3x CDFE IIs (stacking penalized at 5% per rig) currently gives 233m, a 12.56 % increase overall. Max mindlinked Claymore links reduces that by 34.5% to 153m. (There may be some rounding errors there.)
So 215 * 1.1256 * (1-.345) = 158.5m, up from 153m.
OTHER CHANGES.
The Adaptive Shielding Defensive Subsystem is completely out-classed by the Supplemental Screening Subsystem in every way except the bonus to remote shield reps. I've literally never seen one used outside of AT. So reducing the sigRad on that is pretty much pointless. But I'm sure TEST's T3 tinker pilot will thank you for the buff to his XLASB tanking ability come this summer.
Warfare Subprocessor increase in sigRad means easier to scan down in his safe. Ok. Makes sense.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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