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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.02.26 07:01:03 -
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Hello all!
I'm bringing you the newest article on The Coffee Rocks, titled "We're Ashamed, and We Should Be".
"It's about the gaming community's reaction to the recent SVU episode "Intimidation Game," which was inspired by all the Gamer Gate hullabaloo in recent months." - author, Travis Morrow.
I'm very happy Travis is contributing to The Coffee Rocks. He's an incredible writer, and I respect his ability to openly discuss the social issues regarding gaming. Thanks for reading!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.26 07:49:57 -
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TL;DR: more useless gaming drama.
For the first and last time: There is no gaming community. Anyone who claims so does it for a political or economical agenda, or both.
Playing videogames does not make anyone a member of any "gaming community" any more than they could belong to a "peroxyde blonde community" or a "guys witrh goatees community".
I guess this can be hard to comprehend in a country where right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude, but I invite you to look for echoes of gaming drama in foreign languages...
If you find any, that is.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
214
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Posted - 2015.02.26 10:52:13 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude
INB4 Lock and religious debate
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Badel Jramodarr
11415
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:23:15 -
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Article wrote:The articles on Kotaku and others are statements of frustration. "You're mocking us because you don't understand us. Not all gamers are like that, the industry isn't that bad. You don't know." This should tell you everything you need to know about the age group you're dealing with. It has nothing to do with gaming. It's a fictional tv show, get over it.
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
39861
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:04:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend. So there's sporting community, where anyone doing any sports for hobby is part of and a religious community which includes all religious people in one etc...
How about a breathing community ?? We all value our breathing activities |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
216
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:43:18 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend. So there's sporting community, where anyone doing any sports for hobby is part of and a religious community which includes all religious people in one etc... How about a breathing community ?? We all value our breathing activities
not sure where your going with this...
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23470
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:12:31 -
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TV programs have always been poor depictions of technology and gaming. Basing a conversation about gaming culture on a TV program just leads us to draw false parallels and make bad assumptions about what people believe.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
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Ragnar Severasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:30:11 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.
Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
216
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:56:56 -
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Ragnar Severasse wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend. Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form.
i dont think its a question of does there need to be its just what a group of people are called
if the majority of eve players said "nerf ishtars" it would just be like saying the majority of the eve community vote for nerfing ishtars, its not a bad thing and communities are used in all sorts of things involving alot of people interested in the same thing, its just a word to describe a group of people in my opinion.
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Burtzum
Det Som Engang Var
26
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Posted - 2015.02.27 05:23:12 -
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I'm going to go ahead and guess that this tv show episode was about as ridiculous and clueless as the Bones episode about blackmetal and deathmetal.
As for the article... 'gaming community'? Pfft. As if I have anything in common with someone simply because we enjoy products from the same medium. I am certainly not responsible for their actions. Feel ashamed of random idiots on the interwebs? Try to change the hearts and minds of anonymous trolls? Ain't nobody got time for that. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.27 07:41:14 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ragnar Severasse wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend. Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form. i dont think its a question of does there need to be its just what a group of people are called if the majority of eve players said "nerf ishtars" it would just be like saying the majority of the eve community vote for nerfing ishtars, its not a bad thing and communities are used in all sorts of things involving alot of people interested in the same thing, its just a word to describe a group of people in my opinion.
Have you read the article? It compares "gaming comunity" to the self-regulation efforts of Hollywood industry in the 20s and 30s. And it does so without the lesser hint of embarrasment at comparing film producers to game consumers
I guess he kinda mixes up game developers with moviegoers in his mind, too.
(In other news: 1928, a certain radio theater portrays moviegoers as a violent, abusive bunch who enjoys seeing partial female nudity and firearm violence in the so called "flicks". Ask your pastor on the dangers of having a moviegoer in your community!)
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
175
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Posted - 2015.02.27 15:25:05 -
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Do you enjoy watching football?
Well, have I got news for you. Worldwide community of football fans: You are ashamed, and you should be. Rape, threats, and actual murder.
It's irrelevant these were committed by some disturbed person you've never heard about from some part of the world you've never been to. You both enjoy the same kind of entertainment, you belong to the same community. Ergo: you rapist murderous violent bastard, shame on you!
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12948
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Posted - 2015.02.28 03:13:46 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:TL;DR: more useless gaming drama. For the first and last time: There is no gaming community. Anyone who claims so does it for a political or economical agenda, or both. Playing videogames does not make anyone a member of any "gaming community" any more than they could belong to a "peroxyde blonde community" or a "guys witrh goatees community". I guess this can be hard to comprehend in a country where right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude, but I invite you to look for echoes of gaming drama in foreign languages... If you find any, that is. I'd like to point out that in the case of GamerGate it's left-wing wackos lumping everyone who plays games into a "community".
There's also a reason Neil deGrasse Tyson does not identify himself as an atheist, in spite of not believing in a creator. I don't think it's reasonable to assert he's doing that either because he is a "right-wing wacko" or because he cares what said wackos think.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3805
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Posted - 2015.02.28 08:12:02 -
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Ila Dace wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:TL;DR: more useless gaming drama. For the first and last time: There is no gaming community. Anyone who claims so does it for a political or economical agenda, or both. Playing videogames does not make anyone a member of any "gaming community" any more than they could belong to a "peroxyde blonde community" or a "guys witrh goatees community". I guess this can be hard to comprehend in a country where right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude, but I invite you to look for echoes of gaming drama in foreign languages... If you find any, that is. I'd like to point out that in the case of GamerGate it's left-wing wackos lumping everyone who plays games into a "community". There's also a reason Neil deGrasse Tyson does not identify himself as an atheist, in spite of not believing in a creator. I don't think it's reasonable to assert he's doing that either because he is a "right-wing wacko" or because he cares what said wackos think.
I just looked for another instance of American idiots being idiots and getting too much attention as a reward for their idiocy.
As I said too, anyone who lumps videogame players into a "community" does so for a political or economical agenda, or both.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
11945
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Posted - 2015.02.28 08:15:04 -
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I'm not ashamed of a damned thing, nor should I be.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1217
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Posted - 2015.02.28 09:20:21 -
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Ragnar Severasse wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend. Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form.
The only ones in need of a gaming community are people from magazines and websites who are trying to sell ad space, or similar folks trying to make money off of it.
I'm old Gregor.
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Areen Sassel
45
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Posted - 2015.04.01 03:56:16 -
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I found it a bit odd - it's not like the hideous ulcer of "ethics in internet misogyny" was a secret from the outside world before some episode of some US TV series.
I'm not ashamed, but I _really_ wish the Gators would stop making me look bad. They're enormously worse than either "D&D is Satanist" in the 80s - which was just nonsense - or "Columbine shooters played Doom", which was genuinely two lone crazies, not a seemingly unlimited supply thereof. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2015.04.01 07:19:35 -
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Like there isn't a buyer or a gambler community there's also no such thing as gamer community.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8477
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Posted - 2015.04.05 00:31:16 -
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The United States of America is one of the most powerful countries, if not the most powerful, on the planet and to anyone born American, I say check your privilege jackass.
I am not going to be ashamed of some American neurotic self-absorbed narcissistic children with hypersensitive dispositions knee-jerking on the internet!
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
656
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:07:52 -
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IF their is a gaming community I am it evil overlord so I will give an official response
-Down with this sort of thing- controlling people with guilt is a far worse form of trolling bordering on griefing as you will not stop doing it
you do not own us, their is no moral high ground to be fought over...stop wacking people with the Moral Stick
people are Asshats and they have been doing this for a thousand years and they will do it for a thousand more no matter the medium in which they use
Overlord out *drops mike* o7 |
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
757
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:49:49 -
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pile of bollox |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
3011
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Posted - 2015.04.06 00:13:44 -
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Vector Symian wrote:IF their is a gaming community I am it evil overlord so I will give an official response
-Down with this sort of thing- controlling people with guilt is a far worse form of trolling bordering on griefing as you will not stop doing it
you do not own us, their is no moral high ground to be fought over...stop wacking people with the Moral Stick
people are Asshats and they have been doing this for a thousand years and they will do it for a thousand more no matter the medium in which they use
Overlord out *drops mike* o7
You should be more careful not to drop Mike, he has feeling too!
*mic drop* |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
420
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:57:48 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:Do you enjoy watching football? Well, have I got news for you. Worldwide community of football fans: You are ashamed, and you should be. Rape, threats, and actual murder. It's irrelevant these were committed by some disturbed person you've never heard about from some part of the world you've never been to. You both enjoy the same kind of entertainment, you belong to the same community. Ergo: you rapist murderous violent bastard, shame on you! Sounds like carebear logic tbh... heard this way of thinking from way too many.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Lugia3
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
1492
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Posted - 2015.04.09 20:19:35 -
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I wish we could shoot anyone who brings up "gamergate".
And if anything boobs have a considerable advantage in games like eve.
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov!
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8485
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Posted - 2015.04.10 01:04:48 -
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Lugia3 wrote:I wish we could shoot anyone who brings up "gamergate".
Why? I much rather have a laugh at the expensive of professional victims and the wannabes.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1266
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Posted - 2015.04.10 13:51:04 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend. I am not part of the WoW gaming community. I shun them.
Lumping all people into one community would be like calling people with remote control airplanes, pilots because they also make things fly. If you believe that then you need to start calling me, "Captain Jen" because I make a rubber duck move around across the surface of my bath water.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1315
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Posted - 2015.04.10 14:54:53 -
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Ragnar Severasse wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude INB4 Lock and religious debate and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend. Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form. There's the demoscene ... which is a community of creative people who code, design, draw and create realtime movies ...
Their main site is http://www.pouet.net
It exists for over four decades now ... ... and spawned companies like FutureMark and CryTek.
And yeah for hating carebears there definitely is no community.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
182
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:02:35 -
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Even Obama thinks this whole "We're ashamed..." and "I feel offended! You should not play / watch / read that!" SJW culture is nonsensical bollocks.
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Areen Sassel
47
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:56:21 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
Well, no. That's - very carefully cropped down to 30 seconds to avoid making that obvious - about the whoever-it-was hack on Sony in an attempt to suppress The Interview.
Criminal behaviour to stop people saying things you don't like is the stock in trade of the current crop of internet misogynists. It's rather different from observing that people are saying things you don't like, or being vexed that the people saying those things share your hobby and are making you look bad. |
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:03:30 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Malaclypse Muscaria wrote: Well, no. That's - very carefully cropped down to 30 seconds to avoid making that obvious - about the whoever-it-was hack on Sony in an attempt to suppress The Interview. Criminal behaviour to stop people saying things you don't like is the stock in trade of the current crop of internet misogynists. It's rather different from observing that people are saying things you don't like, or being vexed that the people saying those things share your hobby and are making you look bad.
Of course he said that on a different context, but the sentiment is exactly the same.
You are a retard if you believe this about stopping "misogynists making death threats". This is about censoring whatever entertainment these SJW idiots dislike.
Actually, this is the same bullsh*t that has been going on for decades: in the '50s it was parents being "offended" about Elvis lasciviously moving his hips in front of their daughters, in the '60s it was about the Beatles, the Stones et al "corrupting the youth".
In the '80s we had the PMRC and others claiming rock / metal music was "satanic" and "offensive", and in the '90s & '00s we had Jack Thomson and his ilk claiming videogames were turning young people into serial killers, blaming school shootings on them, and campaigning for censorship.
Now we have the "special snowflakes" playing the "I'm offended!" card, and trying to censor anything they dislike - instead of simply ignoring it and playing "My Little Pony" or whatever rocks their boat.
The only thing that has changed, is that the SJW crowd has disguised this as "we are fighting misogyny!", and adopted a culture of blatantly and dishonestly victimizing themselves. But is the same bullsh*it as before, just different decade.
It's simple as this: if you don't like certain videogames, or find them "offensive", DON'T PLAY THEM. Go play "Depression Quest" or whatever, there's enough of those out there. How difficult is that?
And btw, the threats have been done by individuals on BOTH camps. Pull your head out of your ass. |
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