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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:52:06 -
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good riddance :D |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2019
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:57:24 -
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I'm gonna need more details like now |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
34008
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:58:26 -
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Removing fighter assist mechanic and removing ability for fighters to warp off grid from the carrier.
As someone who has lost ships in TAMA to the fighter assist mechanic, I say, sad to see it go. Just a case of huge whinge within the have-not part of the community, affecting another part of the community. "CCP please fix, because I'm too weak too" .
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
902
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:58:31 -
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Sigh... nerf into ground != balance... |
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
322
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:58:33 -
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drone assist an warp removed, sure thats what they said |
Assassn Gallic
Big Diggers Get Off My Lawn
12
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:59:55 -
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When they remove the ability to assign surely they can give scan res back to fighters.
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
212
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:01:12 -
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Assassn Gallic wrote:When they remove the ability to assign surely they can give scan res back to fighters.
sounds reasonable |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20061
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:02:22 -
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Please contract all unwanted Carriers to me. I will find a use for them.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1113
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:04:35 -
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Remove assist, keep warp ability.
RIP ratting carrier if I have to recall fighters between each anom :(
Not like anyone actually used the warp follow feature in combat intentionally, since it just resulted in people warping around the system and keeping your DPS locked down until you recalled them to engage them again. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
321
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:08:55 -
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Triage carrier pilots are real men. Skynet carrier pilots are cowardly little girls. We laugh at your dismay. :) |
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
212
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:11:28 -
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Rroff wrote:Sigh... nerf into ground != balance...
The only way to properly balance them (that I can think of) would have been to have boni from drone damage amplifiers, tracking computers and so forth not apply off grid. But I guess that's not something that CCP could have implemented easily, if at all, or else they probably would have done it. |
Khan Agnon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:11:42 -
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please link the carrier nerf |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
212
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:13:12 -
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Khan Agnon wrote:please link the carrier nerf
CCP Rise just said so on the o7 show. Dev blog should be out tomorrow. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
902
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:13:47 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Rroff wrote:Sigh... nerf into ground != balance... The only way to properly balance them (that I can think of) would have been to have boni from drone damage amplifiers, tracking computers and so forth not apply off grid. But I guess that's not something that CCP could have implemented easily, if at all, or else they probably would have done it.
There are other ways to balance them - which I've explained in detail in atleast 2 other threads. But I guess basically commenting out a few lines of code is an effortless "fix"................................... |
Gypsien Agittain
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:13:51 -
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I understand the reasoning towards eliminating fighter assist, but removing their ability to warp... Have you ever checked the cost, size and attributes of a ******* fighter?
Do you ever think what you do or just roll a dice? Does any of the developers actually play the game? Another absurd change to totally **** your most loyal players, capital ones. Just remind who are the guys playing the games for years: the same people you keep on ruining game experience for the last 6 months. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
34008
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:14:25 -
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Khan Agnon wrote:please link the carrier nerf Link what. It was just announced in the o7 show.
Devblog post coming tomorrow apparently and I'd assume, with an associated feedback thread.
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1114
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:15:01 -
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Khan Agnon wrote:please link the carrier nerf
It's from the o7 show which just aired.
TLDR: Removing fighter assist and warp ability, Ishtars get 16.7% dps nerf and a tiny range nerf, all railguns are being toned back, Tengu resist bonus halved, other t3's resist bonus dropping by a quarter, bouncers getting tiny nerf....
Oh and CCP are announcing the next sov overhaul early next week. |
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1821
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:17:58 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Rroff wrote:Sigh... nerf into ground != balance... The only way to properly balance them (that I can think of) would have been to have boni from drone damage amplifiers, tracking computers and so forth not apply off grid. But I guess that's not something that CCP could have implemented easily, if at all, or else they probably would have done it. at this point CCP just needs to ball up and remove every capital from the game
because as it is every time capitals come up, its a nerf, nerf nerf nerf. hell, the titan is literally a bus, it has next to 0 combat use unless the enemy has their own cap fleet, that is usually more effective to just counter with dreads anyways, for the most part capitals and subs even on the same grid at this point are fighting separate fights, because of all the restrictions on who can damage what for *balance*
its a joke. just ******* delete them if you want them to be nothing more than bragging rights and glorified freighters |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
903
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:25:04 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Rroff wrote:Sigh... nerf into ground != balance... The only way to properly balance them (that I can think of) would have been to have boni from drone damage amplifiers, tracking computers and so forth not apply off grid. But I guess that's not something that CCP could have implemented easily, if at all, or else they probably would have done it. at this point CCP just needs to ball up and remove every capital from the game because as it is every time capitals come up, its a nerf, nerf nerf nerf. hell, the titan is literally a bus, it has next to 0 combat use unless the enemy has their own cap fleet, that is usually more effective to just counter with dreads anyways, for the most part capitals and subs even on the same grid at this point are fighting separate fights, because of all the restrictions on who can damage what for *balance* its a joke. just ******* delete them if you want them to be nothing more than bragging rights and glorified freighters
Just applying titan style damage scaling with sig on fighters (NOT with the same parameters as titans use) would go a long way to fixing the issue alone as they'd no longer be able to insta-blap frig sized targets without some significant on-grid assistance from bonused webbing/tping ships with minimal knock on effect to fighter use in other scenarios. Fighter damage to anything sub BC sized should be fairly minimal anyhow in the overall balance of things - you've got the appropriate sized drones for that. |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
732
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:28:16 -
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I would have settled for them fighters to be vulnerable to ewar...
Absolute removal though, that removes people getting mad at losing their fighters. |
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
6094
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:29:02 -
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Should restrict capitals to fighting capitals and structures only while requiring sub-capital assistance to be able to do so.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Gypsien Agittain
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:30:54 -
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Btw, in a pure gameplay analysis, the only change to gameplay on removing warp (given that removing assistance is ok) is to make people lose a plex each time they forget/are unable to recall fighters/fbs. |
Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1135
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Posted - 2015.02.26 21:42:38 -
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So I won't be able to warp off in a bomber, cloak, and have the carrier's fighters follow me, only to sit idle when they arrive on grid? Bummer, dude. I liked being able to free fire fighters and cost the carrier pilot the equivalent of an AF per fighter with no risk.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:05:33 -
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Going to enjoy smugging it up tonight when I log in. I suggested this as a solution and everyone was saying it won't happen. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
323
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:05:40 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Absolute removal though, that removes people getting mad at losing their fighters. If you get mad from losing fighters, you are too poor to be flying carriers.
I know, I fly in Arctic Light. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9909
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:09:32 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Removing fighter assist mechanic and removing ability for fighters to warp off grid from the carrier.
As someone who has lost ships in TAMA to the fighter assist mechanic, I say, sad to see it go. Just a case of huge whinge within the have-not part of the community, affecting another part of the community. "CCP please fix, because I'm too weak too" .
I stopped using fighter assist in PVE a long time ago because I like Alpha'ing npcs with sentries when I do anoms (and im on grid with the fighters when doing lvl 5 missions).
But arrrrrgggrh this is stupid. CCP removing a very cool and ancient mechanic rather than fixing the actual problem they created when they allowed fighters and FBs to recieve boosts from mods and skills. CCP is slipping back into some old bad thinking patterns here, because they are punishing people for creative use of existing mechanics rather than fixing the actual problem causers or doing more sensible things like keeping carriers from deploying fighters near a POS or station.
CCP won't be happy till creative people are handcuffed completely it seems. And like you said, all because people are too weak to assign someone to find the carrier and force it to dock or go in shields. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
805
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:12:30 -
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so why would i use fighters over sentries now?
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:23:09 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:next we will probably see ECM go as well ECM replaced with something that actually has counter-play like the rest of electronic warfare? Sign me up! |
The Newface
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:33:32 -
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Yea its sad to see how little effort they put into this.
Its little early for the sky is falling though but it does seem like fighters got almost useless. At the very least they should then be able to fight over the entire grid and not use drone ranges.
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maCH'EttE
Mafia Redux Feign Disorder
145
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:59:12 -
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Good news, good news. I approve and endorse this.
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