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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
385
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Posted - 2015.03.02 06:48:51 -
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It just goes to show how deluded you are about my people.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
31014
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Posted - 2015.03.02 06:50:16 -
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Keep talking.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
248
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Posted - 2015.03.02 06:50:21 -
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Anslo wrote:And you see, that's your problem. You rely on some foolish misplaced sense of moral superiority based on deeds done for a pathetic Empire who has a large chunk of Megacorp that simply despises you. You no longer have the power militarily you once did, you sure as **** no longer have the connections you did (i.e. when TISHU used you all as scout pets), yet you still talk this big talk like it's going to make things better.
Here's a newsflash for you, Johnny boy. It's your nose in the air attitude that's gonna get more people killed. It's your holier-than-thou talk that will cause people to die. So go ahead and try to talk down to me all you want (though how you think you can talk down to me is laughable at best). But at the end of the day, there's nothing you can do except talk. But hey, your ego is intact! So what else matters right?
You better hope we don't catch more I-RED ships during combat ops. Their crew is gonna fair a lot worse than they would have if you and your little alliance would just keep your mouths shut.
And to those about to post saying I'm throwing a childish tantrum? Oh well. Keep talking. It's not like you can do anything to stop me. I'd actually like to see that happen.
Please.
Try. Anslo,
I liked being helped by you a lot better when you didn't look quite so much like the second coming of Jade Constantine.
Funny, isn't it? I can't remember my closest friends, but I can still remember her. And I wish her all Naraka's fires and frozen wastes.
I'm pretty close to wishing you the same, and I had no reason to despise you until you started talking like ... this.
A capsuleer taking his hate out on the hapless employees of those he opposes, as though they were to blame?
Contemptible.
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Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
31014
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Posted - 2015.03.02 06:51:16 -
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Oh well.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
385
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Posted - 2015.03.02 06:54:19 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Jade Constantine.
That woman with all her faults was at least capable of holding a semi-intelligent conversation, and could be reasoned with.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
251
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Posted - 2015.03.02 07:17:01 -
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John Revenent wrote:That woman with all her faults was at least capable of holding a semi-intelligent conversation, and could be reasoned with. "That woman" was a blind ideologue, and an intelligent fool.
"This man" is apparently deep in the abyss my predecessor tried to chart.
You're right: she was coherent, she could be reasoned with, and she was still who she was.
She was much worse. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
902
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Posted - 2015.03.02 10:47:24 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Actually, I wasn't a participant in those discussions at the time. I skimmed through them a few months ago, and its entirely possible I missed your explanation in clear terms.
You are rather coy, from time to time.
First uh, you accuse someone of mass murder, then you notice you may have missed something and backpedal by calling the ones you accused of 'being coy' ?
Please forgive me if I find the idea a bit... off. |
Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
501
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:43:26 -
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Anslo wrote: You no longer have the power militarily you once did, you sure as **** no longer have the connections you did (i.e. when TISHU used you all as scout pets), yet you still talk this big talk like it's going to make things better.
Considering your own corporation's role in TISHU, this is ironic at best.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
31015
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:09:49 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Anslo wrote: You no longer have the power militarily you once did, you sure as **** no longer have the connections you did (i.e. when TISHU used you all as scout pets), yet you still talk this big talk like it's going to make things better. Considering your own corporation's role in TISHU, this is ironic at best. Considering we left TISHU maybe you shouldn't comment on things beyond your button orbiting and lamenting love lost.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
502
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Posted - 2015.03.02 14:21:21 -
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Anslo wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:Anslo wrote: You no longer have the power militarily you once did, you sure as **** no longer have the connections you did (i.e. when TISHU used you all as scout pets), yet you still talk this big talk like it's going to make things better. Considering your own corporation's role in TISHU, this is ironic at best. Considering we left TISHU maybe you shouldn't comment on things beyond your button orbiting and lamenting love lost.
Starting to sound a bit like a broken record there Anslo. I had hoped for more creativity with your insults. As for lamenting, that might hurt if it was accurate.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
31017
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Posted - 2015.03.02 14:41:24 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Anslo wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:Anslo wrote: You no longer have the power militarily you once did, you sure as **** no longer have the connections you did (i.e. when TISHU used you all as scout pets), yet you still talk this big talk like it's going to make things better. Considering your own corporation's role in TISHU, this is ironic at best. Considering we left TISHU maybe you shouldn't comment on things beyond your button orbiting and lamenting love lost. Starting to sound a bit like a broken record there Anslo. I had hoped for more creativity with your insults. As for lamenting, that might hurt if it was accurate. Hard to make better insults with such irrelevant subjects as content. And I'd think lamenting would be the proper term. Last I heard you were crying your eyes out that she wouldn't return to you. Then again who would ever be with you in the first place, broken confused Sebiestor you are.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6731
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:03:23 -
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You know, all Anslo needs are the gray hair and wrinkles, and he'd be the angry, senile uncle everyone wants to avoid. Well played!
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
444
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:05:49 -
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Anslo wrote:My empty threat just cost a few I-RED employee's their lives. More will die, and more Ishu-children will ask why mommy and or daddy aren't coming back from their job in space, until Kaine is returned to Jandice, unharmed, unthreatened, and unmodified. Anything done to hurt him, will be done to the employees of I-RED, and their families, ten fold.
Enjoy that 'empty threat,' *****.
The fact that you are threatening innocent lives with your inexplicable hatred...I am sorry Anslo, but I cannot associate with someone willing to murder people just because he doesn't like the color of the uniform they wear.
Steffanie Saissore,
Knight
Stormcrows
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
137
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:31:34 -
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....still wondering i f i should even jump into this shitstorm of a argument...
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Overload Everything
287
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:33:15 -
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Anslo wrote: Hard to make better insults with such irrelevant subjects as content. And I'd think lamenting would be the proper term. Last I heard you were crying your eyes out that she wouldn't return to you. Then again who would ever be with you in the first place, broken confused Sebiestor you are.
What exactly is wrong with being a Sebiestor may I ask?
As far as TISHU goes, yes we were with them for that role, However quite a few of us (like myself who would hardly describe my work as anything but a scout or fast tackle pilot)flew the main doctrines like the rest of our alliance. |
Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
444
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:34:12 -
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Foley Aberas Jones wrote:....still wondering i f i should even jump into this shitstorm of a argument...
Honestly, probably not worth the headache that it will induce.
Steffanie Saissore,
Knight
Stormcrows
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
137
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:37:23 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote:Foley Aberas Jones wrote:....still wondering i f i should even jump into this shitstorm of a argument...
Honestly, probably not worth the headache that it will induce.
Do you have any idea how many concussions i get on the battlefield in a single day?
A headache sounds pleasant at this rate! |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
455
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:44:53 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Actually, I wasn't a participant in those discussions at the time. I skimmed through them a few months ago, and its entirely possible I missed your explanation in clear terms.
You are rather coy, from time to time. First uh, you accuse someone of mass murder, then you notice you may have missed something and backpedal by calling the ones you accused of 'being coy' ? Please forgive me if I find the idea a bit... off.
What else do you call it when a person talks about "sterilizing" colonies, then spends several pages of discussion vacillating between hard edged insistence upon their willingness to kill before explaining "Oh, no of course I only used 'sterilize' because I like things to be clean."
I actually went back and gave the topic in question another look, and if there was an explanation in as much detail as Oniseki gave here, I missed it again. I will say that I was mistaken in thinking I-RED had admitted to executing prisoners on their colonies, although there were apparently some 65 deaths in various confrontations. I gather I-RED deemed use of force justified in these cases.
"Mass murder" was never a phrase I uttered, by the way. You must be mistaking me for all of the people losing their composure over Anslo.
I used the term "executions" because I was under the impression I-RED had engaged in judicious killing of what they deemed to be criminal elements mucking up their "Dustbowl." Since Katrina made a point at the time of illuminating her willingness to kill pirates, I don't think I'm so far off the mark, still.
And again, that's the crux of the issue. We all justify killing one way or another, and some take their justification even further. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4122
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:45:25 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Anslo,
I liked being helped by you a lot better when you didn't look quite so much like the second coming of Jade Constantine.
Funny, isn't it? I can't remember my closest friends, but I can still remember her.
Of all the things to survive your transition intact, you got that one?
Harsh.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
902
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:06:09 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Actually, I wasn't a participant in those discussions at the time. I skimmed through them a few months ago, and its entirely possible I missed your explanation in clear terms.
You are rather coy, from time to time. First uh, you accuse someone of mass murder, then you notice you may have missed something and backpedal by calling the ones you accused of 'being coy' ? Please forgive me if I find the idea a bit... off. What else do you call it when a person talks about "sterilizing" colonies, then spends several pages of discussion vacillating between hard edged insistence upon their willingness to kill before explaining "Oh, no of course I only used 'sterilize' because I like things to be clean." I actually went back and gave the topic in question another look, and if there was an explanation in as much detail as Oniseki gave here, I missed it again. I will say that I was mistaken in thinking I-RED had admitted to executing prisoners on their colonies, although there were apparently some 65 deaths in various confrontations. I gather I-RED deemed use of force justified in these cases. "Mass murder" was never a phrase I uttered, by the way. You must be mistaking me for all of the people losing their composure over Anslo. I used the term "executions" because I was under the impression I-RED had engaged in judicious killing of what they deemed to be criminal elements mucking up their "Dustbowl." Since Katrina made a point at the time of illuminating her willingness to kill pirates, I don't think I'm so far off the mark, still. And again, that's the crux of the issue. We all justify killing one way or another, and some take their justification even further.
I am not sure to understand what is your point. Are you implying that the killing fields are I-RED's doing against criminals ? |
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Claudia Osyn
The Scope Gallente Federation
1077
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:42:06 -
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Foley Aberas Jones wrote:Steffanie Saissore wrote:Foley Aberas Jones wrote:....still wondering i f i should even jump into this shitstorm of a argument...
Honestly, probably not worth the headache that it will induce. Do you have any idea how many concussions i get on the battlefield in a single day? A headache sounds pleasant at this rate! Don't do this thing. Just grab your popcorn and watch the drama unfold.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
455
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:44:02 -
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Before this whole "Killing Fields" fiasco even started there was controversy over I-RED's activities when Katrina published a report on "Project Dustbowl" in Syndicate. That's what I'm referring to.
Director Oniseki referred to "sterilizing" at least one of the colonies involved in the project, which led to some overblown talk of "genocide" ect by at least one Federal capsuleer. Truth be told, I didn't think much of it at the time and didn't bother to comment. I may not even have fully read the topic, which might be why I made the mistake of thinking they had admitted to executing prisoners. My take was that calling whatever happened "genocide" was going too far, but that I-RED probably did kill some criminals in the course of what was probably a net positive for the development of these colonies.
Katrina said earlier that they never admitted to killing anyone. That's actually not the case, but I still went too far saying they admitted to executions. She did actually say at the time that there were 65 cases of death related to I-RED use of force, and that each was being investigated. I rather expect they were ruled to be justified by I-RED. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3436
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Posted - 2015.03.02 20:04:47 -
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This may be surprising, but we found five cases of wrongful death during the course of those investigations. Three out of those five were due to a stun grenade that ignited a nearby natural gas leak, resulting in the death of three innocents unrelated to the nearby rioting. The security officer involved was not charged, as it was deemed to be accidental.
The other two deaths were individual cases of unauthorized force that resulted in fatalities. Those officers were discharged and sent back to their homelands.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
966
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Posted - 2015.03.04 05:05:40 -
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Forgive an old has-been his detachment, I donGÇÖt pay as much attention to.. politics as I once did.
But after careful consideration and due reflection I am going to have to go with Anslo on this one.
Now he certainly doesnGÇÖt need my support and most likely doesnGÇÖt want it, goodness know I wouldnGÇÖt if I were him.
But there it is.
He is a hammer true, but letGÇÖs be honest, some windows need to be broken.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
392
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Posted - 2015.03.04 19:48:31 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Forgive an old has-been his detachment, I donGÇÖt pay as much attention to.. politics as I once did.
But after careful consideration and due reflection I am going to have to go with Anslo on this one.
Now he certainly doesnGÇÖt need my support and most likely doesnGÇÖt want it, goodness know I wouldnGÇÖt if I were him.
But there it is.
He is a hammer true, but letGÇÖs be honest, some windows need to be broken.
It is a pity you would side with someone who condones torture and the killing of innocents. When Ishukone-Raata has been open with our investigation into the matter, to the point of allowing outside assistance in almost all our operations against those who committed these crimes in Syndicate. It is rather disgusting.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
31283
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:03:08 -
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"Open." Like hell.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
476
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:16:13 -
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John Revenent wrote:
It is a pity you would side with someone who condones torture and the killing of innocents.
I tend to not condone the torture of anyone, but who says your crews are so "innocent" anyway? Revenent Defense Corporation is engaged in service with the State Protectorate. You're belligerents in a warzone, not innocent civilians. Act like it.
By the way, I managed to pick up two survivors out of your Cormorant wreck in Aivonen last night. Both were severely injured and are undergoing medical treatment. I figure I might as well question them on these matters once they've recovered enough. |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
237
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Posted - 2015.03.04 22:13:52 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:
I tend to not condone the torture of anyone, but who says your crews are so "innocent" anyway? Revenent Defense Corporation is engaged in service with the State Protectorate. You're belligerents in a warzone, not innocent civilians. Act like it.
By the way, I managed to pick up two survivors out of your Cormorant wreck in Aivonen last night. Both were severely injured and are undergoing medical treatment. I figure I might as well question them on these matters once they've recovered enough.
I believe the Taisho was referring to the employees of I-RAT, which is indeed a civilian sub-division of I-RED.
Gÿ+ Ch+½j+ì Korsavius
Gÿ+ (RDC) Intelligence Officer
Gÿ+ [I-RED] Director of Human Resources
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Overload Everything
287
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Posted - 2015.03.04 22:22:40 -
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If it looks like a fedo and smells like a fedo, you get the point I'm making... |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
477
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Posted - 2015.03.04 22:27:31 -
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Korsavius wrote:
I believe the Taisho was referring to the employees of I-RAT, which is indeed a civilian sub-division of I-RED.
You're right, it isn't their fault they signed up to work for a shell corporation set up to shield I-RED income generating assets from the war.
Someone should indeed be ashamed of themselves for the harm that has befallen these people. |
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