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RogueHunteer
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.27 23:16:04 -
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As more topic's of changes to capital ships on the forums. Time we make a topic were Veteran members of the forums can give good feedback on capital ship roles and more. This topic shows up in all sorts of subforums, and has been discussed very thoroughly because of the number of times it's been brought up over a long period of time.
Quote:To emphasize: this thread is on the topic of balance, changes, or feedback on the mechanic of using a cloak. Posts outside this topic will be moderated/deleted.
Please keep the discussion and feedback civil and constructive. by ISD LackOfFaith
Let's make this a sticky if we can please? |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2737
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Posted - 2015.02.27 23:35:09 -
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Delete them from the game and reimburse SP. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
812
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Posted - 2015.02.27 23:40:56 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Delete them from the game and reimburse SP.
there is nothing wrong with capital ships and supers just need to find a role to fill
lets not encourage Rise to keep taking the lazy way out and just remove things till there is nothing left
that damn afk cloaky sticky i thought was a great idea but now we get almost as many posts asking to be made stickies that i'm not sure it helped
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2032
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Posted - 2015.02.28 01:07:51 -
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Make the nag more vertical. Yes more. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
6097
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Posted - 2015.02.28 01:13:12 -
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Why just balance? Be radical! Re-inventing Capital Warfare
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Lugh Crow-Slave
813
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Posted - 2015.02.28 01:22:23 -
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You don't go to j-space much do you or were you trying to break the archon
and at the same time i feel capitals should be more dependant on subs however a sub cap fleet should not be Nerfed against capitals
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3535
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Posted - 2015.02.28 01:33:51 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:there is nothing wrong with capital ships and supers just need to find a role to fill The only role supers need to fill is the role of paperweight. At the bottom of the wastebin.
Death to all supers.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
859
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Posted - 2015.02.28 07:47:53 -
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Blood raider dread w/ no guns but has capital class neuts.
Gurista dread w/ no guns but has capital class ECM. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4092
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Posted - 2015.02.28 08:27:07 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The only role supers need to fill is the role of paperweight. At the bottom of the wastebin. Death to all supers. They're definitely circling the drain...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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RogueHunteer
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.02.28 18:17:52 -
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TBH I would not mine seeing all capital be turn into some thing bigger then battleship but not by much. With nerfs coming out no point in having capitals... they should reduce the size and make new roles. We all go in large fleet anyways.... With changes to Sov coming soon, it's time we look at something different. |
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Colette Kassia
Kassia Industrial Supply
73
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Posted - 2015.02.28 19:01:20 -
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How 'bout a type of base that capitals are useless against? |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
128
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Posted - 2015.02.28 19:09:55 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Blood raider dread w/ no guns but has capital class neuts.
Gurista dread w/ no guns but has capital class ECM.
Angles Dread has no guns but capital target painters and it's usles as fuc* or how about. capital class warp ditruptor? Heee 200 km warp buble in sige mode? that would be fun. |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
128
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Posted - 2015.02.28 19:16:51 -
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I think we should Cut the Sige/Triage Cycle and fuel usage by half again to 2,5 min.
Or add faction Dreads that will have 10% more dps as more bonus
7,5% more reps per lvl
and 50% reduction Sige/triage cycle.
Same this carriers.
Give all faction carrier 7,5% per lvl for reps
and 50% rediction to trige cycle. and -50% trige fuel usage.
or some thing like that. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
863
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Posted - 2015.03.01 06:05:32 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:I think we should Cut the Sige/Triage Cycle and fuel usage by half again to 2,5 min.
Or add faction Dreads that will have 10% more dps as more bonus
7,5% more reps per lvl
and 50% reduction Sige/triage cycle.
Same this carriers.
Give all faction carrier 7,5% per lvl for reps
and 50% rediction to trige cycle. and -50% trige fuel usage.
or some thing like that.
this would be the most unbalanced thing ever in a wh |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
343
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Posted - 2015.03.01 12:16:48 -
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Carriers and Dreads are all in a good spot right now. I don't see a need to change much on that front.
Supers are a mess. Halp, wat do? |
RogueHunteer
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.03.01 17:27:32 -
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If that's what needed then lets do it! I would feel lot better if we had a set plan then keep doing the smaller changes to all capitals! Iets make a plan bring it to csm / community and work from their. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
418
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Posted - 2015.03.01 18:47:56 -
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Can we make the Rorqual relevant again at some point? That would do it for me.
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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance
95
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Posted - 2015.03.01 19:11:35 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The only role supers need to fill is the role of paperweight. At the bottom of the wastebin. Death to all supers. They're definitely circling the drain...
^^ This made me lol
But yes on a more serious note, CCP seems to be on a "NERF ALL THE THINGS!" jag atm. As others have said, carriers and dreads are in a good place. Supers recently had a nerf, and they do serve their role. But the more capitals get nerfed into the ground, the more they become just a big stupid 100 Billion ISK albatross (*ahem*Titans*ahem*). |
vikari
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
101
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:31:36 -
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Captials: Dreads are in the best shape of any capital right now. I don't believe there is much that could be made better about them. Carriers are to some extent an issue though. They do great damage, they do the best repairing, all in all they are the go-to capital to carriers is the extreme lack of the Nidhoggur and Thanatos from fleets. So IMHO, no only are they out of balance in regards to other capitals, they are out of balance in regards to each other. They definitely are on the most flexible capital in the game, and yet they have no significant negatives while gaining that flexibility.
Supers Capitals: Supers are difficult to address without upsetting someone. With the super carriers I feel the damage is in need of some work, but it's the tank that i feel is the real issue. Why would the highest tank ships in the game be super carriers? This brings the highest tank and high dps into a single package. The titans have been dropped from this position, even while being by far the largest ships in the game. Super carriers shouldn't be glass cannons in reflect to standard capitals, but when put against each other, it should be rapid death, even in the face of a couple vs a couple. I'd like to see the tanks be roughly 30% less then what we see now. Being their cost down to compensate for it, so people can be more open to the aspect of losing them, which will definitely happen after an EHP drop. The key is to keep the two in balance, cost and value. If the ship is going to die more, it's value is lower, and there for the keep people using it you need to have the cost of that ship lowered to reflect it. Titans are needing a complete rework. Their current situation, makes them an over priced dread. A 5LY bridge can be beneficial but it doesn't justify the titan in itself. It's tank puts it in second place below that of some of the super carriers, and lastly the standard dreads can give them a run for their money on DPS. All these negatives, and they get in exchange, a bridge which has nearly no value after the nerf to the jump range, bridge range, and fatigue hit eve. Lastly a DD with an extremely limited target variety. People could say it is the anti-capital, but it's something the super carrier can do; are better at it, and at 1/3 the cost for the titan, lastly the firing cost of the DD itself make's in unrealistic to put into use. If CCP can reflect on the currently use of DDs vs previous periods in Eve's history, I believe it will show you just how limited the DD currently is. Additionally the lack of a siege cycle can be noted, but the recap of a PVP fitted titan is significantly long, so you pretty much are suck in system for about the same length as the dread itself, crushing any benefit it might of had over a dread for structure bashing. |
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1827
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:53:18 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Delete them from the game and reimburse SP. there is nothing wrong with capital ships and supers just need to find a role to fill lets not encourage Rise to keep taking the lazy way out and just remove things till there is nothing left that damn afk cloaky sticky i thought was a great idea but now we get almost as many posts asking to be made stickies that i'm not sure it helped problem is, there is no role for supers to fill, evident by everyone always crying for nerfs because they overshadow everything else anytime you have the option to field even half the number of them as you do subcaps, and evidenced by the fact that titans HAVE been nerfed, to the point that they are little more than glorified space-buses
now even carriers are up for more nerfing due to complaints, and dreads while not having complaints now, have been the target numerous times in the past
fact is, CCP at this point, sadly, would be better off completely deleting them and coming back with capitals designed with different mechanics in mind 4-5 years down the road.
id rather have interesting adn fun ships than hangar decorations that have been nerfed to uselessness for anything but hauling/bussing because they were "OP" |
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