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Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:06:04 -
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I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
6099
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:09:08 -
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I'd say you have to move systems.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
43
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:13:10 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I'd say you have to move systems.
I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour. |
Zoe Athame
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
207
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:14:16 -
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Blow up your competition. |
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
43
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:18:04 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:Blow up your competition.
Ive found out combat is very expensive. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
743
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:21:46 -
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Those old 100,000 unit ice belts have been gone for some time now. The new belts are 2500 units and they respawn 4 hours after being cleared. This was done so players in other time zones could get their share of ice. (I believe that's the reason anyway.)
Myself, I shut downa large ISBoxer fleet to comply wit the new EULA changes and I'm not having any problems supporting my new, MUCH smaller, manual fleet. You just have a to work at it a little harder.
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.
**This IS my main so STFU.
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Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:22:17 -
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You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime...
They do infact respawn every 4 hours.... not in the same location, because an ice belt is an anomoly so it moves around in random places in the system
PROTIP: when the last ice asteroid is depleted, make a note of the time when that block popped.. (for example 16:19 hours) 4 hours later (20:19 hours) -- the belt will be back, and then it be brand new
Common problems after digesting this knowledge: I WANT TO MINE ICE 24/7 --> if you want to do that.. go to a system in nullsec that doesnt have many people and happily mine there.... OR.... kill the ice belt, and then shoot normal ORE asteroids until 4 hours later.. when the belt comes back OR.... you can loggout and do something else inrl or play another game.. or do whatever it is you wanna do, until the ice belt is back.. set an alarm on your phone or something
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23524
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:22:22 -
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Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?
Sounds like a great reason to me.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
692
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:26:16 -
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Musashi IV wrote:I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.
move to a shattered wormhole, nomad style.
move to null-sec, its so easy. just put up a POS, stront it, and mine dat ice. plenty of null-sec systems in NPC space with ice belts that are empty of all people. try sansha space, for example. |
Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:27:26 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Musashi IV wrote:I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. move to a shattered wormhole, nomad style.
YES!!! those shattered WH's are (omg.. amazing) sadly we cant put up POS's there.. which of course makes logistical stuff a little difficult.. but its still fun as hell (especially hitting that really sexy dark glitter ice) |
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Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
43
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:30:48 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?
Sounds like a great reason to me.
If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
744
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:31:21 -
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Laura Gosh wrote:You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime...
Actually, as long as a belt is cleared prior to DT, it will respawn when the server comes back up. I've cleared them with only a few minutes to spare before DT, them came back after DT and cleared it out again.
If the belt ISN'T cleared by DT, then it will still be there as it was when the server went down.
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.
**This IS my main so STFU.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1816
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:38:44 -
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yes move to a shattered hole, HUGE ice fields there
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
750
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:39:38 -
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You don't need ice. You need a set of balls. There is plenty of ice in quiet parts of low sec. Of course, you can't do that if you're a brain dead miner so I guess that doesn't work? |
Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:41:14 -
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Musashi IV wrote:Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?
Sounds like a great reason to me.
If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk.
In that case.. move to a system with ice (which i'm guessing you already have done) and PRIMARILY hit the normal ore belts for ISK... then.. if you see the icebelt on probe scanner.. GOGOGOGOG ICE RUSH (like everyone else does)
Yes.. the ice will despawn very quickly because everyone wants to mine it.. (hence why its called an ice RUSH).. but the ore belts will remain there for you to mine after the belts are depleted
If you want to make money to pay for your accounts.. continue your mining.. but also consider the following
1: highsec PI -- choose a planet close to a tradehub and buy the ingredients for coolant (water + electrolytes 40x each manufacturing job) import them to the planet of your choice and create coolant.. export the coolant and resell at tradehub for profit (protip -- only use planets with 15% or lower taxation.. you can find the tax details on the information panel of the customs office of each planet -- sidenote: these may change on occasion.. and also another sidenote: -- check out the trade skills for a skill called 'Custom Office Expertise' this will reduce your NPC tax (max of 10%) by 10% each level (level 5 in this skill = 5% NPC tax + whatever the corporation owner of the customs office put on it)
2: Datacore farming http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming
3: Research and Development of BPO's Buy BPO's and make them PERFECT.. resell them for profit This takes some skil and knowledge about what BPO's will be profitable and what are not, but the more your research the better
4: Moon mining -- only possible to do in 0.4 (YES 0.4.. it used to be 0.3 but you can do it in 0.4 now.. CCP changed the moons in 0.4 space some updates ago)
FYI -- I have 4 accounts (12 characters in total) each of them is trained up for highsec PI, mining, datacore farmining and development of BPO's.. If i remember right.. i currently have 72 planets making various things (this alone gives me an average of around 2-3 billion every 30 days)
datacore mining gives me around 800-900 million every 30 days
researching BPO's gives me around 4-5 billion every 30 days (sometimes more depending on the BPO's..)
and this is on top of my normal mining --- if i can do it.. why not you? |
Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:43:26 -
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Belt Scout wrote:Laura Gosh wrote:You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime...
Actually, as long as a belt is cleared prior to DT, it will respawn when the server comes back up. I've cleared them with only a few minutes to spare before DT, them came back after DT and cleared it out again. If the belt ISN'T cleared by DT, then it will still be there as it was when the server went down. .
very very true :p all sites will respawn perfectly if left with 1 roid left just before DT.. the same applies to combat sites as well i believe |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
341
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Posted - 2015.02.28 17:14:51 -
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doublepost. Whoops. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
341
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Posted - 2015.02.28 17:16:48 -
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It's called competition. It is very good for the game.
Eve needs more incentives to compete for scarce resources, not less. I wish mission runners would be put in the same spot as ice miners. It would spark conflicts and trigger creativity. |
Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.02.28 17:23:56 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:It's called competition. It is very good for the game.
Eve needs more incentives to compete for scarce resources, not less. I wish mission runners would be put in the same spot as ice miners. It would spark conflicts and trigger creativity.
I couldn't agree more
More conflict is more fun, and more storyline and more history.. and of course... more opportunities for BIG fleet battles |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20111
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Posted - 2015.02.28 17:55:19 -
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Highsec problems.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Varathius
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2015.02.28 18:02:58 -
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Musashi IV wrote: With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years.
You must have done extremely little in eve then because that is surely not the most efficient way to make isk. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
80
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Posted - 2015.02.28 18:06:23 -
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Musashi IV wrote:Zoe Athame wrote:Blow up your competition. Ive found out combat is very expensive.
so what will you do about the isk you mined?
Just Add Water
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6549
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Posted - 2015.02.28 18:44:48 -
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Varathius wrote:Musashi IV wrote: With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. You must have done extremely little in eve then because that is surely not the most efficient way to make isk. Yeah, I'm sort of like what...
I mined but then used the isk to do other things to get what I wanted. But then again maybe you only fly blingy hulks in highsec (safe!!) so I guess you don't need that much.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2698
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Posted - 2015.02.28 18:50:58 -
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Musashi IV wrote:Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?
Sounds like a great reason to me.
If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk.
Completely false i'd say.
Someone with just a tiny bit of brains should see that trading is the quickest way to make isk if you do not have a lot of time.Trust me , i've made close to 1 T over the last 4 years with trading and i would qualify myself as someone with at best a mediocre set of brains and i've got kids/family and a lot of workhours so it's not like i've spend 4 hours a day doing that.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
962
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Posted - 2015.02.28 18:59:17 -
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This thread is its own satire. No need to mock it any further.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
240
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Posted - 2015.02.28 19:10:40 -
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OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice.
Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time.
Finally, have you considered regular mining? Ice Prices are down about 30% since the jump range change.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
123
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Posted - 2015.02.28 19:43:07 -
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Musashi IV wrote:I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. SInce the last time industry stepped into some major Fozzie in Odyssey, ice mining has gone and got replaced with new mechanics called "ice camping". This means you gotta camp your ice for 4 hours to get your 20-30 icicles, then camp somewhere else. Consequently, it means nobody in hisec is getting any substantial amounts of ice anymore, and profitability of it has gone down the drain. Like I said when this change got implemented, well, Fozzie happens. Mining were also covered with Fozzie that patch, so it took 5 buffs to remove most of the Fozzie stains from it, some still remain, odds are the stench they gave is permanent. That said, regular mining recovered about 75% of potential it had before being Fozzified, even though things like hisec mining for hisec manufacturing will never recover, and the safety of mining has gone from "need a piece of brain and preparation to screw the miner" to "warp and press F1, you can do it even with goon IQ (or lack thereof)". Right now, L4s, even despite being nerfed belt-high into the ground, give better ISK/hour results than mining, but, unlike proper mining OP, they are incredibly boring, almost reaching the bottom-of-the-barrel boredom of ship pvp.
I totally understand what you mean there, but unfortunately, if ice mining was all you fancied, CCP Fozzie has closed eve for you with Odyssey expansion. I suggest trying exploration, maybe it'll occupy you before something changes. PI - no, not profitable at all, since now every POCO on hisec is player-owned, you're just making the owners rich, getting nothing for yourself. Mining with Makinaws is too unsafe with the series of buffs to the easies thing in eve - suicide wanking. Blueprints research is too niche, datacore farming is quite a bother and requires some not very useful skills, but you may try those, since it doesn't require you to be online much. A popular myth of eve that station trading is profitable is false, but it may also occupy you for a few timespans per day. Try these, and wait for changes, and if waiting is becoming too bothersome, take a break, don't push yourself to like something you don't like.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Orlacc
818
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Posted - 2015.02.28 20:14:21 -
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TLDR
I am afraid to mine ice in a WH.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
123
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Posted - 2015.02.28 20:29:29 -
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Orlacc wrote:TLDR
I am afraid to mine ice in a WH.
WH mining got Fozzified along with hisec mining and a good portion of a nullsec mining outside of blue donuts.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3810
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Posted - 2015.02.28 21:29:05 -
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There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal.
BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want.
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