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Pod Panik
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.03.01 03:46:51 -
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So, after a few tryouts, I am proud to say that I am a shield guy...
But more importantly, I am a Shield/Drone Guy...I love playing with drone and I love the safety net provided by shield tanking...
This said, there does not seem to be a lot of "Shield Drone Boat" out there...am I missing something?
As a background, I tried Armor tanking both my Vexor and Myrmidon and I almost died of a heart attack...I found armor to be a very thin protection and the repairers are way too slow. There is something I must not get...
So far, my best "tank" has been my passive shield Myrmidon with 16,000 pts of shield with a 80pts regen every sec. Very cheap built but it allowed me the luxury of time to react and warp out if things went south...
So...as I am aiming to pilot a Battleship in the near future for Mission purpusos, any recommendation of what BattleShip I should aim for? Again, the main themes would be Shield + Drones...
PS: Thanks to Eve University to accept me in! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23182
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Posted - 2015.03.01 04:04:57 -
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Pod Panik wrote:So far, my best "tank" has been my passive shield Myrmidon with 16,000 pts of shield with a 80pts regen every sec. Very cheap built but it allowed me the luxury of time to react and warp out if things went south.. Welcome to the exceptions to the rules, a shield Myrmidon is great for PvE. Make sure you play to the ships damage bonus, drone damage amps go a long way on a Myrm.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Pod Panik
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2015.03.01 04:11:15 -
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I have two drone damage amp on it...but not skilled.for the T2 version yet. |
Orlacc
819
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Posted - 2015.03.01 04:32:09 -
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Great fun Shield/Drone boat is Navy Domi.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.03.01 04:54:20 -
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Officially, the drone boats are belong to Amarr and Gallente, and both prefer armor, so you'll technically be picking a drone boat and trying shields on it. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
174
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Posted - 2015.03.01 04:54:27 -
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Do not believe Memphis Baas there are dedicated shield tanked drones ships and let me introduce a fellow drones pilot to one of the best if not the best in the game, sub -cap class of course. I present the Rattlesnake.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rattlesnake http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rattlesnake
You will need both Gallente AND Caldari battleship skills to fly this jewel and you will need a really good set of drones, missile and tanking skills.
If you have decides that you are a shield tanker tehn I suggest a short stop at the Raven for level 4's while you train the skill set needed for the snake. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Raven |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4761
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Posted - 2015.03.01 05:02:05 -
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The Gila, Rattlesnake and Worm are designed as shield, missile and drone boats but as pirate ships they aren't cheap.
The Ishtar and Myrmidon aren't designed for shields but do work well as shield, railgun or blaster and drone ships. The Vexor can do it too.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Memphis Baas
183
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Posted - 2015.03.01 05:07:40 -
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Look at the cost of those ships and figure out how long until you get your investment back, based on your current mission payouts.
Also, you're probably on the CODE gank list, courtesy of ... this post being public, so keep in mind that your ship may be suicide-ganked in high sec. |
Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
95
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Posted - 2015.03.01 06:02:52 -
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A shield tanked vexor is perfectly viable (I run with a buffer tank, two large shield extenders, I'm not sure about active tank.) You can actually get pretty big dps out of it, since you can fill the low slots with 3 or 4 drone damage mods. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7565
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Posted - 2015.03.01 06:14:25 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote:A shield tanked vexor is perfectly viable (I run with a buffer tank, two large shield extenders, I'm not sure about active tank.) You can actually get pretty big dps out of it, since you can fill the low slots with 3 or 4 drone damage mods. A shield-tanked Vexor is one of the few Tech 1 Cruiser hulls that can come close to breaking 1000 dps with a "reasonable" fit... though you do have to make a few concessions in terms of fitting.
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
480
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Posted - 2015.03.01 08:03:59 -
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Also Ishtar works perfectly as shield tanked though the ship will be slightly nerfed in the future for being too good a drone boat. |
Davey Talvanen
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
26
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Posted - 2015.03.01 08:33:48 -
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A shield VNI could probably run lvl 4 missions. I know some guys who can run 7/10 DED sites in them and can nearly solo 8/10 sites. I get good isk in it in null and the shield/speed tank is OP just use a 100MN AB. But a BS would work better for high sec maybe. Also use EFT and look at EHP as it includes resists. |
Egdald Eriker
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.01 09:22:14 -
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In game includes resists as well, if resists are active. But it calculates against lowest resist. EFT has the ability to setup resist profiles (for specifics rats or ammo, for example). And shield domi works. I'm not sure if I have my fit saved though.. |
Egdald Eriker
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.01 09:32:00 -
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[Dominix, Dominix] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
X-Large Shield Booster II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II 100MN Afterburner II
Drone Link Augmentor II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Untested in missions, just a modified version of a sleeper one I've run before. Cap stable, but not very fast (366m/s at all V). Meant for Guristas/Serpentis rats, does ~780 tank against guristas. Load with heavies or sentries, I'm not sure what's better. In sleeper sites you could just do sentries and use smaller drones for frigates, but you need to move (to gates) in missions. And for the first upgrade on it, I recommend a Pith-X type booster. It gives over 50% to your hp/s (~1240) for 90m. Higher cap usage though, so you'll want very good cap skills and to be good at managing your cap and running missions before getting it.
You might also want to load some railguns in the highs, for aggro (and that extra bit of dps). |
Pod Panik
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2015.03.01 14:19:34 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Look at the cost of those ships and figure out how long until you get your investment back, based on your current mission payouts.
Also, you're probably on the CODE gank list, courtesy of ... this post being public, so keep in mind that your ship may be suicide-ganked in high sec.
What is the CODE gank list?
And why would suicide gankers target a ship with no rwal value? I thought mostly haulers were targetted due to their valuable cargo...
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
343
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Posted - 2015.03.01 14:33:59 -
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Yeah, I don't think they will bother with a cheap mission ship.
I always recommend the Gila, since it is one of the most fun and versatile ships in all of EVE, but it's not exactly cheap.
This baby can handle all missions, most nullsec sites and complexes and wormholes up to class three, and it is just a few module swaps away from being PvP-ready:
[Gila, Buffer]
Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [Empty High slot] (put whatever your CPU skills or implants allow here)
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
The downside of the Gila is that it is both expensive and fairly skill intensive to get the most out of its bonuses. Some faction or meta4 modules will allow you to add a drone link augmentor to the high slot. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23184
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Posted - 2015.03.01 15:51:18 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Officially, the drone boats are belong to Amarr and Gallente, and both prefer armor, so you'll technically be picking a drone boat and trying shields on it. While this is true, a shield Myrmidon can be as tough and versatile as a Drake for PvE.
There are always exceptions to the rules, the Myrmidon is one of them.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1430
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Posted - 2015.03.01 19:09:32 -
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obviously there's the guristas ships (worm, gila & rattlesnake) the Ishtar, Myrmidon & Dominix all shield tank to quite good effect
not so sure about the amarr drone boats as I've never really used them |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4763
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:20:26 -
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Pod Panik wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Look at the cost of those ships and figure out how long until you get your investment back, based on your current mission payouts.
Also, you're probably on the CODE gank list, courtesy of ... this post being public, so keep in mind that your ship may be suicide-ganked in high sec. What is the CODE gank list? And why would suicide gankers target a ship with no rwal value? I thought mostly haulers were targetted due to their valuable cargo...
As someone in CODE alliance, I'd prioritize other people over you for ganking. Watchlisting you and actively hunting you is a lot of effort and unlikely to give good returns.
But just always assume that being ganked is a real possibility, and never undock in anything you can't afford to lose.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1416
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Posted - 2015.03.02 00:47:59 -
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My passive shield tank Vexor actually tanks more DPS than my Rattlesnake :D
You can also Shield tank a Domi. Just fit the new low slot modules instead of oldschool omnis. |
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
176
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Posted - 2015.03.02 02:25:48 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Officially, the drone boats are belong to Amarr and Gallente, and both prefer armor, so you'll technically be picking a drone boat and trying shields on it. While this is true, a shield Myrmidon can be as tough and versatile as a Drake for PvE. There are always exceptions to the rules, the Myrmidon is one of them. And another deluded soul. Please check out the Rattle, Gila and Worm all of which or designed to be shield tanked and coincidentally they are all drones ships as well.
Hasikan Miallok wrote:My passive shield tank Vexor actually tanks more DPS than my Rattlesnake :D
You can also Shield tank a Domi. Just fit the new low slot modules instead of oldschool omnis. Considering the tank numbers I have seen for the rattle I have trouble believing this especially since the Vex does not get resistance bonuses to shields. If all else was equal the Rattle would get a better tank due to the 5% per level bonus to shield resists and all else is not equal. Vex 5 mid vs rattles 7 Vex 4 low vs rattles 6 Vex 0.88 base shield recharge rate vs the rattles 5.1.
I have been wrong on this type of thing in the past and may be wrong now but would you mind posting this miracle fit for us. |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
45
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Posted - 2015.03.02 02:40:23 -
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The Arbitrator is also a good choice. It's an e-war ship, so maybe it doesn't tank as well as a Vexor, but it's got the same drone damage bonus and enough bandwidth for a flight of medium drones making it a very viable L2 mission ship. Also it looks like a hot rod. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23187
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:31:27 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Officially, the drone boats are belong to Amarr and Gallente, and both prefer armor, so you'll technically be picking a drone boat and trying shields on it. While this is true, a shield Myrmidon can be as tough and versatile as a Drake for PvE. There are always exceptions to the rules, the Myrmidon is one of them. And another deluded soul. Please check out the Rattle, Gila and Worm all of which or designed to be shield tanked and coincidentally they are all drones ships as well. I'm well aware of the Rattler, Gila and Worm, nothing deluded there. I was pointing out that there are always exceptions to the rules with regards to what ships can use what type of tank.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Pod Panik
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:59:15 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Officially, the drone boats are belong to Amarr and Gallente, and both prefer armor, so you'll technically be picking a drone boat and trying shields on it. While this is true, a shield Myrmidon can be as tough and versatile as a Drake for PvE. There are always exceptions to the rules, the Myrmidon is one of them. And another deluded soul. Please check out the Rattle, Gila and Worm all of which or designed to be shield tanked and coincidentally they are all drones ships as well. Hasikan Miallok wrote:My passive shield tank Vexor actually tanks more DPS than my Rattlesnake :D
You can also Shield tank a Domi. Just fit the new low slot modules instead of oldschool omnis. Considering the tank numbers I have seen for the rattle I have trouble believing this especially since the Vex does not get resistance bonuses to shields. If all else was equal the Rattle would get a better tank due to the 5% per level bonus to shield resists and all else is not equal. Vex 5 mid vs rattles 7 Vex 4 low vs rattles 6 Vex 0.88 base shield recharge rate vs the rattles 5.1. I have been wrong on this type of thing in the past and may be wrong now but would you mind posting this miracle fit for us.
Gila, Rattle, Worm. Wow...
They are amazing ship. Very cool.
One issue, being "proud" of having 50 mil ISK in bank i am nowhere near the ability to purchase anything other then plain and cheap T1 Ship and that is in a couple of weeks.
My plan was to get ISK doing combat exploration and L3 missions to get about 220 mil Isk and then get a battleship to do L4 missions which, from what I read, will open new realms of possibilities with regards to income.
Then, once I have the income flow, i want to go and play in low sec/nul sec and explore that side of the game.
just as a point of comparison, how much ISK, on average, are you making per hour doing pirate hunting or other such activities in low/null? I just want to know what to aim for ...
Thanks
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Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:07:47 -
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Pod Panik wrote:And why would suicide gankers target a ship with no rwal value? I thought mostly haulers were targetted due to their valuable cargo...
For fun, because they can. Even if you run selffunded Ganking alts on throwaway accounts through PLEX you won't be disappointed these days. It's just about fun without risks for the gankers, valuable cargo is appreciated but not necessary.
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erg cz
Tribal Core
143
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:17:35 -
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Both best mission boats ( Rattlesnake and Machariel ) are using shields and drones. To put shileds on Dominix looks very very awkward to me, due to the unique ship bonus. Dominix in PVE tanks range, not shield or armor, IMHO. Sitting 150 km from NPC and killing them with Warden II ( still inside drone's optimal ) rearely require any active tanking modes at all. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2015.03.02 13:55:50 -
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I believe that I have covered this before but as far as shield versus armor it has more to do with resists than anything else. Yes most galente ships can fit a nice passive shield tank as long as you aren't going up against Blood raiders or Sansha or any other NPC race that deals EM damage. On the flip side of that you would not want to fly an armor tanked galente ship against angels or anyone else that deals explosive damage.
When I first started playing this game I lived mostly in Caldari space and fought mostly NPCs that dealt primarily kinetic damage. I thought shield tanking was far superior to armor tanking. Then I spent some time in Amarr space where I was fighting mostly EM dealing NPC and quickly learned the joy of armor tanking.
Shield reppers deliver their HPs up front as in at the beginning of the cycle. Armor reppers deliver their HPs at the end of the cycle so you need to be a little more predictive with armor reppers. Aside from that basic difference in repper operation each one has it's place and which one is "better" is very situational like everything in eve. |
Mehrune Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:45:39 -
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+1 for passive shield tank Vexor. It's my favorite cruiser right now. You can do the same thing for a Myrmidon and Dominix too. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
177
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Posted - 2015.03.03 04:09:13 -
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Mehrune Khan wrote:+1 for passive shield tank Vexor. It's my favorite cruiser right now. You can do the same thing for a Myrmidon and Dominix too. As with the last person that has mentioned this, we are dealing with an OP who is new to the game, please post fits to assist him.
Pod Panik wrote:Gila, Rattle, Worm. Wow...
They are amazing ship. Very cool.
One issue, being "proud" of having 50 mil ISK in bank i am nowhere near the ability to purchase anything other then plain and cheap T1 Ship and that is in a couple of weeks.
My plan was to get ISK doing combat exploration and L3 missions to get about 220 mil Isk and then get a battleship to do L4 missions which, from what I read, will open new realms of possibilities with regards to income.
Then, once I have the income flow, i want to go and play in low sec/nul sec and explore that side of the game.
just as a point of comparison, how much ISK, on average, are you making per hour doing pirate hunting or other such activities in low/null? I just want to know what to aim for ...
Thanks
You will not buy a mission fit battleship for 200 million ISK, you will likely only get the ships itself for that. When you add the modules you wil need, the ammo and the light drones needed to kill the frigs(low skills BS pilots always have trouble with the frigs) you will need about twice to three times that much ISK. Solid level 4 mission ships with all of the required modules to handle all of the different missions available are in the 600 - 800 million and up range. For many dedicated level 4 mission pilots a ship and all required modules / drones can cost in excess of 2 billion ISK.
While I commend your desire to get into a BS and do level 4's I will be brutally honest. With 50 million ISK and the low skills you have posted you are not even close to ready to try and solo level 4 missions. Stick to level 3's for now, improve your fit to be more efficient, bank the ISK and try to be patient as your skills train. If you are not having any problems with solo level 3 missions then you can fleet up with a more experienced player and run 4's with them that will help with the ISK and it will give you exposure to what level 4 missions are like.
ISK per hour for level 4 missions depends on a very wide range of factors. A new player such as yourself should be able to earn around 20 - 30 mil per hour solo. A dedicated lvl 4 pilot with a good ship and high skills can make 60-80 mil per hour or more. In an odd twist to this a high skills pilot with a lot of mission experience and a grossly over powered ship can make more ISK blitzing level 3's than they can running level 4's. In these situations I have heard of players making 90 million ISK per hour or more running level 3's.
ISK per hour in low and nul? From my experiences and those of my friends both real life and in game, figure you will need about 15-20 hours of doing whatever to make back the ISK you spent to buy the ship. That seems to hold true for nul, low and high sec players, the only thing that really changes is the cost of the ships. Again this is my experiences and they may not be true for others in the game. |
Pod Panik
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2015.03.03 12:21:04 -
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Donn...
Always brutally honest and useful! Hahaha...
All right, I'll stick to L3 for a while. I can do maybe two missions a night as I loot and salvage everything. This is a good indicator that my mission speed is not there yet.
Originally I wanted to do SoE L3 mission to boost my income with the nice probe launcher, but sadly all the L3 agent I found are either sitting in low-sec or send you through a low sec zone. I already lost ships there and I can't afford to see my Myrmidon go in smoke.
Is it me or the other factions (other then SoE) have more requirements to use those LP? You need a crazy number of war tags where for SoE its only the LPs...
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