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Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.01 14:52:46 -
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Greetings.
I've recently resubbed, read the patch notes concerning pirate ships and was intrigued by the buff to warp speed the Angel ships now have.
Are there any significant changes to the typical Machariel blitzing fit for level 4's ?
Thank you in advance for any and all replies.
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Belthazor4011
For Your Bacon Only The Marmite Collective
154
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Posted - 2015.03.01 16:33:19 -
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Nope, it just warps quicker now... |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.02 19:10:27 -
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So what's the blitzing fit? |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:55:10 -
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You'll want to take ws-615 and/or ascendency implants if ur into that kind of thing. Hyperspatial velocity optimizer IIs are a nice addition, but they use a lot of CPU so armor tanking is a nice way to save CPU.if you want to go that direction, if you aren't doing it already. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4100
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:57:35 -
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Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
247
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:18:40 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s. What is?
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Lloyd Roses
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:53:34 -
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He's joking. Mach is still king, and rather uncontested. Warps in 7 seconds, 5.2 AU/sec, 1.2k dps with RF fusion and near 1.8km/s running gate to gate is not easily beatable. Even when shooting in falloff, you still got the mission completed and handed in when a polarized nightmare just arrived at the first gate.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4102
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:44:49 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s. What is? I think it's been demonstrated that even with a slower warp and align speed, the Rattlesnake can still outperform a Machariel on most L4s. This is mainly due to range, with the Rattlesnake having the ability to apply almost 100% DPS to targets out to 100km. Which isn't to say that a Machariel still isn't good, just that it's not the clear choice that it once once.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
976
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:58:15 -
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I feel like the amount of focus it takes to fly a rattlesnake efficiently is worth -50mil/hour. god damn that thing gets good EFT dps and projection, but in practice.... I have some real doubts about the rattlesnake as a blitzing platform. It warps slow, its slow, its drones are slow, the missiles are slow, poor agility, meh scan res.
mach has a few issues of its own for sure, the whole falloff thing, or low dps (and still a ton of falloff) artillery. but in a bunch of cases WOW does it work.
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chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:32:22 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Unfortunately, the Machariel is no longer king when it comes to blitzing L4s. What is? I think it's been demonstrated that even with a slower warp and align speed, the Rattlesnake can still outperform a Machariel on most L4s. This is mainly due to range, with the Rattlesnake having the ability to apply almost 100% DPS to targets out to 100km. Which isn't to say that a Machariel still isn't good, just that it's not the clear choice that it once once.
I'd be curious about this as I do not have the drone sp for rs. Do you recall where this was demonstrated? |
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erg cz
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:55:57 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote: This is mainly due to range, with the Rattlesnake having the ability to apply almost 100% DPS to targets out to 100km.
My Dominix can apply 100% of its poor DPS from 150 km. Still in optimal of Warden II. With I believe like half DPS of what your Rattlesnake does. Projection is not everything.
IMHO Rattlesnake and Machariel are both kings. It depends on the mission and you mood. You want action - get into Machariel. You want to blitz L4 in relaxing manner - take Rattlesnake.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2015.03.11 02:12:07 -
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erg cz wrote:[quote=Arthur Aihaken]My Dominix can apply 100% of its poor DPS from 150 km. Still in optimal of Warden II. With I believe like half DPS of what your Rattlesnake does. Projection is not everything.
IMHO Rattlesnake and Machariel are both kings. It depends on the mission and you mood. You want action - get into Machariel. You want to blitz L4 in relaxing manner - take Rattlesnake. It's not just the projection - it's the application. I agree that the "fun" factor is important, too - so it's really a personal choice. I was just merely pointing out that in terms of churning through raw missions - the Rattlesnake is now King.
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Ms Sade
Hammertime Holding Division Nine Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.12 23:09:33 -
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So how would you fit this blitzing Rattlesnake ?
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stoicfaux
5517
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Posted - 2015.03.13 00:14:06 -
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Ms Sade wrote:So how would you fit this blitzing Rattlesnake ?
[Rattlesnake, New Setup 1] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Garde II x2 Warden II x2 Gecko x1 Warrior II x5
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4120
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:21:06 -
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stoicfaux wrote:[quote=Ms Sade]So how would you fit this blitzing Rattlesnake? I'd probably go in a slightly different direction:
5x Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II (inferno/scourge auto-targeting heavy missiles) 1x Drone Link Augmentor II 3x Gecko, 5x Warrior II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Large Micro Jump Drive 2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script EM Ward Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
2x Ballistic Control System II 2x Drone Damage Amplifier II 1x Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1x Prototype Hyperspacial Accelerator
3x Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
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Ms Sade
Hammertime Holding Division Nine Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:01:27 -
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Hmm, I'm flying something similar to stoicfaux's fit but with an afterburner and any movement/get mission item is dog dog slow.
Its great for warping in and clearing a room but blitzing I'm not so sure about. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4122
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Posted - 2015.03.13 12:59:41 -
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Ms Sade wrote:Hmm, I'm flying something similar to stoicfaux's fit but with an afterburner and any movement/get mission item is dog dog slow. Its great for warping in and clearing a room but blitzing I'm not so sure about. Try switching to a 100MN microwarpdrive instead. With the huge signature radius on the Rattlesnake you're not going to be tanking a lot of damage with the afterburner anyway, and the microwarpdrive makes getting between gates, rooms and objectives a lot less hassle.
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stoicfaux
5518
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Posted - 2015.03.13 13:06:44 -
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Ms Sade wrote:Hmm, I'm flying something similar to stoicfaux's fit but with an afterburner and any movement/get mission item is dog dog slow.
Its great for warping in and clearing a room but blitzing I'm not so sure about. Yup. Slow warp speed unless you fit warp implants. Adding a tractor beam requires giving up the DLA. Adding an AB/MWD/MJD requires dropping the DLA and an Omni. If frigates get close, then you lose DPS switching to the Gecko/Warriors. Damage application with only two non-bonused TPs and Fury can be problematic unless you're really good at micromanaging the sentries on smaller targets and Fury missiles on battleships. Etc..
Too much micromanagement for my tastes. OTOH, the applied DPS is pretty impressive and seemed to make up for the slower warp speeds versus a Vargur.
Although using Rapid Heavies could be interesting.
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Sentenced 1989
165
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:08:12 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:He's joking. Mach is still king, and rather uncontested. Warps in 7 seconds, 5.2 AU/sec, 1.2k dps with RF fusion and near 1.8km/s running gate to gate is not easily beatable. Even when shooting in falloff, you still got the mission completed and handed in when a polarized nightmare just arrived at the first gate.
I used machariel for 2+ years, it has been the king for long time until bastion module. Immunity to ewar and tracking disruption, sensor damps and jamms just puts vargur in front of it (and paladin/kronos).
Just now saw its blitzing only, still Vargur with MWD works like charm, you just need 1 minute to stand still while shooting for one cycle and drop target fast.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
247
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Posted - 2015.03.16 18:07:41 -
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It doesn't look evil anymore, but it warps faster... |
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Desudes
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
433
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Posted - 2015.03.17 03:16:09 -
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Golem >
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4131
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:18:12 -
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I've tried the Golem, but sitting there in Bastion turtling just doesn't do it for me.
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