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Evan Giants
Plundering Penguins
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:32:23 -
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Getting Corp's standing into high 8's for JC access is pain in ass with bunch of active members low in 1's or less. Yes I know there's EACS but cmon, do we really need this sort of standing mechanic? Perhaps we can lower JC requirement or something.
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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:38:06 -
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It doesn't make sense that you'd be able to just make someone forget about you. Which is what standings represent. But that's only if we're going for realism.
Standings are an important system, although a crappy one. You can only raise it through missions. It's nothing but a grind. I'd like to see it completely overhauled, in particular by adding an option that doesn't involve missions.
In the meantime, there are ways around the JC issue. I would also be in favor of allowing player corps to purchase clone contracts with an NPC corp if their standings are too low. How to clone depots stay in business anyway? It makes sense to let us buy access.
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Ackaroth
Plundering Penguins
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:41:27 -
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To elaborate a bit:
We were discussing jumpclones in pubchat today, as we have on occassion. Lately we find ourselves bouncing between a few pvp spots, and the rank and file are getting a little more comfortable running around implanted and the like.
While a few of us have decently high standings with some outfits, those lower standings guys, or alts, drag us down for quite a few corporations.
So we started to ponder on solutions. Would it be reasonable to add an option to forfit standings? An alternative we came up with was standings decay, although I am sure that would cause more rage from the community, but it does make a bit of logical sense, since agents do sort of "call you up" on occassion, asking for favors. It would be reasonable to assume that you need to maintain that acquaintance, or it might diminish, over time, as long distance/low interaction relationships would.
Of course the short answer could be "Estel Arador Corp" or similar, but some of us have years and years in the same organization, and even though something as trivial as an employment history may be minor to many, it means a bit to some :) |
Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:47:11 -
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Maybe, but in principle that would somewhat obsolete Rorquals and Outposts, and there has been way too much wholesale obsoleting lately, with nothing to offset it . Instead of changing the game, why not try and get creative and find someone who will either sell you docking rights or give you access to a rorqual?
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Ix Method
META Directorate Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:57:39 -
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Agree that this is a ballache which pretty much exists for the sake of it.
Any sort of standings decay that forces mission running just to maintain the status quo is a horrible idea though because missions. Something as simple as a 1lp item in every store that resets standings/lp (from positive) for that corp would make the world a better place.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Ackaroth
Plundering Penguins
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:05:16 -
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Agreed. I dont think it needs to be something so severe that the alts of EVE cry out in horror, but some reform to a really old system (and some really old standings) seems like it could be worthy of thought.
Another thought that a corpmate suggested was:
Allowing the corp to toggle who it wants to allow to affect its standings (in the more RP sense: whom it thinks worthy of using their contacts, on a corporate/business level). |
Lexical Pedantry
Plundering Penguins
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:10:24 -
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Ackaroth wrote:Agreed. I dont think it needs to be something so severe that the alts of EVE cry out in horror, but some reform to a really old system (and some really old standings) seems like it could be worthy of thought.
Another thought that a corpmate suggested was:
Allowing the corp to toggle who it wants to allow to affect its standings (in the more RP sense: whom it thinks worthy of using their contacts, on a corporate/business level).
I'm the corpmate, and to clarify, this would just be a role based toggle whether or not the corp member gets to participate in corp standings. If not, they don't drag standings down and don't benefit from them. |
Ix Method
META Directorate Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:11:06 -
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A corp setting might work but I dunno, it feels like yet another reason why the standings mechanic is worthless. In its current form that may be true but as a concept its something that should probably have value.
Standings are a personal thing so it feels right (to me at least) that you should make an assertive decision to abandon them on a personal level. That a corp's reputation is derived from those of its members, even towards NPCs, is probably not a bad thing,
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Ackaroth
Plundering Penguins
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:16:32 -
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Ix Method wrote:A corp setting might work but I dunno, it feels like yet another reason why the standings mechanic is worthless. In its current form that may be true but as a concept its something that should probably have value.
Standings are a personal thing so it feels right (to me at least) that you should make an assertive decision to abandon them on a personal level.
While I agree that they are a personal thing, in the world of EVE and Corporations, where you are "employed" by your corporation, it makes perfect sense that they(the employer) would choose their employees with the best corporate or government contacts to do their business dealings, call in favors, affect legislation, whatsohaveyou. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:19:55 -
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Ines Tegator wrote:
In the meantime, there are ways around the JC issue. I would also be in favor of allowing player corps to purchase clone contracts with an NPC corp if their standings are too low. How to clone depots stay in business anyway? It makes sense to let us buy access.
just get a rorq
but over all i hate the standing system mostly again do to how you have to level it up all it does is force people into areas of the game they have no desire to be in
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Ix Method
META Directorate Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:29:29 -
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Ackaroth wrote:While I agree that they are a personal thing, in the world of EVE and Corporations, where you are "employed" by your corporation, it makes perfect sense that they(the employer) would choose their employees with the best corporate or government contacts to do their business dealings, call in favors, affect legislation, whatsohaveyou. You're entirely correct but for all it'd be a tiny, togglable option appointing 'Representatives to the NPCs' or whatever is basically shoehorning RP into every corp.
While I wouldn't goto war over it, from here at least Eve being a game where you can completely ignore the lore, completely go mental with the RP or anything in between is really valuable. Standings are either a mechanical value or a vivid representation of your devotion to the Empress, depending on your outlook. That's kinda cool.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:53:29 -
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Evan Giants wrote:Getting Corp's standing into high 8's for JC access is pain in ass with bunch of active members low in 1's or less. Yes I know there's EACS but cmon, do we really need this sort of standing mechanic? Perhaps we can lower JC requirement or something.
Discuss
We have allready got rid of standings for HI-sec pos, way not to get rid of them for the JC? |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.03.02 01:41:54 -
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First off an admissions, I am guilty of scanning this topic and not really reading it. All of my characters have jump clones so this would not affect me in any way. However I do find many new players in a bind for JC standing so it caught my attention from that perspective.
The current system us insane and it needs to be changed. The basic idea in the OP has me wondering what the real motives are behind this idea. Those with character like this one that have +10 standing to several corps why would we ever think of abandoning our standings? If we want them low we go shoot people, either that or abandoning them does nothing to help the JC issue. So all I can figure is 1. this is get out of jail free card for those who want to get their standings back up and that would be bad. 2. the OP did not look past the JC issues to see how this idea would affect the game as a whole.
I do have one thought to put onto the debate. When you train Infomorph Psychology it unlocks access to a Concord or perhaps faction station that would allow you to buy your JC. I am concerned about a pay to win possibility here, but I think this could be workable. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.02 01:48:32 -
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Probably said before but there are Jump Clone corps. One man corps with high standing that let you in, you make your clones and get out. Often for a fee.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.02 07:42:35 -
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Problem solver: You prohibit members to run missions for a specific corp. You have 1 member alone who runs (accept missions) for that corp and who gets the standing to 8+. It should be a fairly unpopular corp (one with many Distro/Mining agents and next to no L4 security agents) so that the risk of other people having standing with it is lowered. Whoever violates that and ruins the standing is then either required to run missions for that corp until he gets to 8+ as well or leave your corp or provide a Rorqual. If people are too learning-resistant and continue ruining your corp's life, they have to be punished hard.
Providing a Rorqual (or Titan if you have) for JCs in general is also a way to circumvent the 8.0 standing requirement and makes you completely independent from NPCs.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.03.02 08:42:14 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Probably said before but there are Jump Clone corps. One man corps with high standing that let you in, you make your clones and get out. Often for a fee. Or you can just go down to Provi and make some clones in one of the stations there without leaving your current corp.
Still, I am not sure the standing requirement for jump clones adds much compelling gameplay and wouldn't be surprised if that changes in the future.
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Xavious Kane
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 08:51:35 -
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How about the idea of using LP to buy a one time instal jump clone at station? they may be in not so perfect standing with a player/corp, but to "cash in a favor" and spend some LP, a deal could be reached.
Haven't given any real though as to what may be a fair cost for doing so, but I think it should be 150k or more. something that would require some working for. Some work to get one clone once, but to get as many as you want at any of that NPC corps stations should take the full work of getting the high lvl standings. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.02 09:34:19 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Still, I am not sure the standing requirement for jump clones adds much compelling gameplay and wouldn't be surprised if that changes in the future.
Unfortunately you are most likely right. Capsuleers of the modern days (since 2 years ago or so it's gotten particularly bad) need more and more brown-nosing (for Germans: Puderzucker in den Allerwertesten blasen, brown-nosing hasn't really the same connotation but you'll get what I mean), easier and easier content and mechanics. It's disgusting.
On the other hand, I see a glimmer of hope that CCP leaves JCs as they are since this high barrier of usage pushes people -- as you can constantly see on complain threads like this -- to find corps with proper organization (Null sec, Rorqual/Titans) or to get active and organize themselves, so this high barrier of usage in connection with the general disgust towards missioning is a really well-working factor in driving people out of High sec, into player corps and more dangerous areas.
Station Tab :: Agent Shuffling :: Double Standing Gain
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:29:23 -
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EVE-Lotteries
EVE-Lotteries Corporation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 16:40:29 -
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Evan Giants wrote:Getting Corp's standing into high 8's for JC access is pain in ass with bunch of active members low in 1's or less. Yes I know there's EACS but cmon, do we really need this sort of standing mechanic? Perhaps we can lower JC requirement or something.
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Just buy a Rorqual mate... |
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2015.03.02 18:39:34 -
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It would help if standings became a more interesting and less stagnant process. Encouraging only missioning. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.02 21:46:07 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Probably said before but there are Jump Clone corps. One man corps with high standing that let you in, you make your clones and get out. Often for a fee. Or you can just go down to Provi and make some clones in one of the stations there without leaving your current corp. Still, I am not sure the standing requirement for jump clones adds much compelling gameplay and wouldn't be surprised if that changes in the future. Maybe because of the loop holes? Before I knew about them, I was raising faction with a corp just because of where their stations were and where I wanted my jump clones. So, maybe the idea is sound but the implementation is not?
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Ackaroth
Plundering Penguins
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Posted - 2015.03.03 00:51:03 -
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I spose I'll have to look into rorqual mechanics. Figured if I had to be around all the time for anyone to make use of it, what is the point. Maybe that isn't the case... |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.03.03 03:12:28 -
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EVE-Lotteries wrote:Evan Giants wrote:Getting Corp's standing into high 8's for JC access is pain in ass with bunch of active members low in 1's or less. Yes I know there's EACS but cmon, do we really need this sort of standing mechanic? Perhaps we can lower JC requirement or something.
Discuss Just buy a Rorqual mate... Nice idea for those in nu; / lo but how does this help players in high sec? |
Sir Substance
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.03 04:25:54 -
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The solution you are proposing hinges on something which shouldn't really exist.
For those playing at home, if you've never interacted with a corp in eve, you don't have 0 standing with them, you have null standing. Thus, here is how corp standings are calculated (approximately):
In a two man corp:
person A has 10.0 standings person B has null standings
corp average is 10.0
alternativly:
person A has 10.0 standings person B has run a single mission, and has 0.01 standings
corp average is (approximately): 5.01
Big difference.
It's really weird though, it makes very little sense that corps would go "we personally don't believe you exist, but because your corp has standings with us, you may use our jump clone facilities, oh figment of our imagination".
I would lower the requirement for JC facilities to 6.0, maybe 5.0, and start calculating the nulls as true zeros.
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