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Syrilian
Astartes' Guardians
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:24:44 -
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So I have had an idea floating around in my head for an eventual jump into pvp. The idea being remaining cloaked in a system until an enemy shows up, decloaking and unleashing a bunch of damage before they can respond. Is this possible? I've read about stealth bombers, but that does not seem to work against frigs and they operate predominately in fleets, but is there a awy to do this against frigs and solo? |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:30:50 -
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Most ships have a targeting delay upon decloaking, and most cannot warp cloaked, so your best bet is to wait somewhere that people are likely to come to -- such as an asteroid belt or anomaly where 0.0 ratters are expected to show up before long. A black ops battleship would be the ballsy way to go, but I think you may have better luck with a stealth bomber or a recon cruiser. A bomber isn't good against frigates, as you have ascertained, but it might stand a chance against PVE-fit battleships and the like. A recon cruiser like a Curse or Rapier could be a formidable surprise attacker. |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:36:29 -
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FYI, if you want to try this with a T1 ship, just know that targeting will be a problem so you'll have to hope the target is slow to notice you or slow to warp away. You could hang around somewhere cloaked, maybe with probes out to find targets, and decloak before warping in on your target. The warp will take up the time of your targeting delay after decloak, and you just have to hope they don't notice you before you arrive on the grid and tackle them. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.03.04 16:52:35 -
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The tactic I have been using with some success is to stick to a single system, use an Astero or covops to locate the target then quickly reship to a cruiser or BC. I have only managed to rack up 6 kills in 3 months but that's not too shabby for a 5 month old alt.
I would stick to a tactic like this to start off as cloakies that can put out decent DPS are quite expensive.
Keep in mind the Combat Recons don't show up on D-scan so you can warp around without a cloak and not be seen unless you are probed down or seen on grid.
The Amarr recons get drone bonuses and are good ship to start with. Stratios is also very good but costs about twice as much. T3s are also very strong but even more expensive.
Stay away from black ops unless you are going to join a group specializing in them as they are very expensive and not very good solo.
If you are using a cloakie, just decloak while in warp to the target to shorten your targeting delay, unless they are D-scanning constantly, they will not see you until it is too late. Alternatively, decloak about 5-10km away from the target and try to bump them when you decloak so they cannot align while you are waiting for your targeting delay to be over.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:08:26 -
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Well you can have lots of success attacking exploration ships with a sb. Just fit rockets/guns instead of torps in the highs. Then scan out the sites in your system, bm them, and then wait for folk to go hacking. As for combat frigs, well your target would have to be fairly unaware to get caught. I would suggest an astero as an sb lacks the tank to go toe to toe with a frig. You want to try to bump your target before you uncloak, which might give you enough time to get lock despite the uncloak delay.
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Syrilian
Astartes' Guardians
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:19:52 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:The tactic I have been using with some success is to stick to a single system, use an Astero or covops to locate the target then quickly reship to a cruiser or BC. I have only managed to rack up 6 kills in 3 months but that's not too shabby for a 5 month old alt.
I would stick to a tactic like this to start off as cloakies that can put out decent DPS are quite expensive.
Keep in mind the Combat Recons don't show up on D-scan so you can warp around without a cloak and not be seen unless you are probed down or seen on grid.
The Amarr recons get drone bonuses and are good ship to start with. Stratios is also very good but costs about twice as much. T3s are also very strong but even more expensive.
Stay away from black ops unless you are going to join a group specializing in them as they are very expensive and not very good solo.
If you are using a cloakie, just decloak while in warp to the target to shorten your targeting delay, unless they are D-scanning constantly, they will not see you until it is too late. Alternatively, decloak about 5-10km away from the target and try to bump them when you decloak so they cannot align while you are waiting for your targeting delay to be over.
I like the combat recon idea. I think that would work. I was planning on training up to a Stratios anyway for exploration. So it sounds like I could use for what I want to do as well. |
Benthos Thellere
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.04 19:08:58 -
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You might want to check out WINGSPAN TT's videos on youtube. Could be right up your street.
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.04 19:09:51 -
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Check out this guy's killboard. He is the master of cloaky solo pvp. He uses a stealth bomber and takes out all kinds of nice targets, usually in wormhole space. Look through his kills to see what kind of targets are best for you (hint: large and/or vulnerable things). Check his losses (if you can even find any) for fitting ideas. Wormhole space is the ideal location for this type of play because there is no local chat to give away your presence so you can have the element of total surprise. Pollet uses a Purifier but I have had plenty of success doing similar stuff in a Nemesis and you can really use any Bomber. I would suggest starting out in something cheap like a bomber while you are learning, because you are sure to make some mistakes along the way.
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:13:13 -
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For a newer player, as you skill up for covops, an Astero can take care of most frig explorers.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1416
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:39:20 -
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Of course taking any covops ship into blusec will annoy hell out of the renters, even if you do no fire a shot.
Just saying :D
Note you may have a few issues with gate camps unless you go in by WH.
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Marsan
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Posted - 2015.03.05 02:29:59 -
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If you are going to fly a SB consider bombs. While your torps can't hit a frigate a bomb will ruin a frigate's day if they aren't on the ball. (This works best on a frigate who is doing the hacking mini-game, idling at a gate, and obvious requires being in WH or NS.) Of course bombing is a bit of an art and novice bombers often blow themselves up.
That said note that you aren't undetectable in a cloaked ship. Any where outside wormhole space you show up in local. Most targets you can kill in a bomber will safe up or dock, and bombers have difficulty with virtually any PVP ship. You can hunt soft targets like indys on gates and PI haulers on custom offices as torps hit most indys pretty well.
In general a cloaky ship is a poor combat ship short of investing in a tech 3 cruiser or faction ship, and such ships are extremely pricey. I advise learning to pvp in a frigate 1st before attempting to pvp in anything else. You can lose a lot of frigates for the price of one stealth bomber. Also look at joining a newbie friendly pvp sooner rather than later. Other wise your expensive cloaky ship is just going to pad someone's killboard.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
402
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Posted - 2015.03.05 14:46:18 -
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Black Ops BSs can not fit covert ops cloaking devices. They do have the role bonus to eliminate targeting delay but I just wanted to clarify that they do not warp cloaked.
That being said Black Ops Battleships are what makes the BlOps drops possible. Cloaky stealth bombers roaming around solo and engaging a target and then having a bunch of friends join the fight with in 3 seconds is a very common thing in eve. That might be a play style that you are attracted to also. |
Anslo
Scope Works Overload Everything
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:02:54 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Black Ops BSs can not fit covert ops cloaking devices. They do have the role bonus to eliminate targeting delay but I just wanted to clarify that they do not warp cloaked.
That being said Black Ops Battleships are what makes the BlOps drops possible. Cloaky stealth bombers roaming around solo and engaging a target and then having a bunch of friends join the fight with in 3 seconds is a very common thing in eve. That might be a play style that you are attracted to also. This. However, BLOPs BS are not really that good for solo, or at least those starting in cloaky solo. They're great for small gang shenanigans.
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Justin Zaine
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:35:11 -
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Syrilian, what you're looking for is being done by small groups and solo pilots everywhere, and it is extremely popular. Some people are better at it than others and everyone has different tactics and preferred hunting grounds, but if you're looking to get into this kind of pvp I would suggest looking into a corp that specializes in it - Such as my corp, WiNGSPAN or even an NPSI community such as Bombers Bar.
Ideally, Bombers are where you should start out. Recons are above your skill level at this point and BLOPS are just taxis with some underglow and shiny rims. Not something i'd suggest taking into the hood that is a WH space or deep Null. Not to say that it can't be done. Cara Forelli linked a pilot who can give you a great idea on what kind of targets you'd be going after and even some good fits - check out his losses.
The thing you need to keep in mind is that this kind of pvp takes patience most of all, followed closely by the ability to pick your targets and not rush things. I cannot stress that bit about patience enough. It will determine your success as a cloaky pvp'er.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
403
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Posted - 2015.03.05 16:11:07 -
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Another possible play style that you might like which has been mentioned here but I'll go into it in a little more detail is wormhole living. First off it is somewhat important to note that there is a way to combine your directional scanner with your combat probe use in such a way as to combat probe people down with your probes being with in D scan range of them for such a short amount of time that it is very difficult for them to see you coming. If you combine that with not showing up in local and having a cloaky scanning ship you can do some very effective hunting.
So if you join a corp that lives in a wormhole what your typical day will be like is logging on and scanning your system to see what has spawned. Then you will often jump through to connecting systems and check them out to see who your neighbors for the day are. Then you will explore their system to see who they are if they are active what timezone that they operate in etc... If you find some of them out and running sites you can get into a position so that you can give your corpmates a warp to while you are cloaked watching them. If they are sitting in their PoSs you can maybe run back to your wormhole and get a bait ship and start running their sites.
I could go on with examples but I just wanted to give you a basic idea of what wormhole life is like and that if you are into the cloaky hunting and combat probing style of game play that wormhole life might be for you.
Also note that medium ships don't take all that long to train up for. With the type of play style you are looking for, you could get into tech 2 and tech 3 cruisers in not all that long. This opens a lot of options to you in a fairly short amount of time. I believe that you can fit T3's to use both a covert ops cloak and a probe scanning bonus maybe even a bubble free subsystem as well. I know that they can do all 3 of those things I'm just not 100% that you can fit all 3 at once.
Anyway just giving you some ideas of directions you can look into. |
Justin Zaine
204
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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:05:35 -
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Quote:Also note that medium ships don't take all that long to train up for. With the type of play style you are looking for, you could get into tech 2 and tech 3 cruisers in not all that long. This opens a lot of options to you in a fairly short amount of time. I believe that you can fit T3's to use both a covert ops cloak and a probe scanning bonus maybe even a bubble free subsystem as well. I know that they can do all 3 of those things I'm just not 100% that you can fit all 3 at once.
Yes, they can do all three things at once, though trying to do any more than 2 of them will severely gimp either your dps or your tank or both.
On that note, the Proteus is probably the better one to use if you're going to try this, with somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 dps depending on your skills. Thats with a covert sub and a scanning sub but not an interdiction nullifer.
While you could train straight for a T3, they need a lot of core skills to really shine. Consider the fact that even if you do train for one, unless you have most skills to level 4 and can at least fully T2 fit it before you get in one, you're gonna be asking yourself why you bothered at such an early age.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:12:56 -
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Though expect to spend a lot of time just waiting ... I would also recommend to join the Bombers Bar and Spectre Fleet channels to get in touch with dedicated bomber pilots and their regular black ops hot drop NPSI fleets. Bombers are capable of solo hunting but are best in group action, imo.
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