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Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:59:55 -
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Hello everyone!
Right, you've all heard the news about Dr. Hilen Tukoss being stripped of his citizenship. This is an appauling decision, being made due to circumstances beyond Dr. Tukoss' control, which he is being held responsible for.
I am hereby granting him citizenship and asylum with The Borkstar Initiative, a sub-group of Lost Valkyries. He therefore has a citizenship, and should be afforded all the rights and priviliges associated with that status.
If any of his rights are broken, the Sisters of EVE will be contacted for human rights assistance.
Thank you, Dr. Frenjo Borkstar.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2015.03.06 15:18:19 -
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Okay
.....Why do you need to put in this thread you giving him citizenship and asylum?
.....Who the **** cares that you are giving him citizenship asylum? i don't think Hilen can even view the IGS, just send messages... |
Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 15:25:46 -
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How about you find him first then worry about where he belongs. |
Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.06 15:48:36 -
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Kithrus wrote:How about you find him first then worry about where he belongs.
I agree. There are some gross assumptions in offering him asylum, like whether or not he's really Tukoss or not.
Zainou discarding him can't be a good sign. They never really discard anything. Either they're trying to discredit him, he's a crazy too crazy for the crazies, or he presents that much of a danger to Zainou interests or assets.
I'd keep a tight control on your hero worship there, Dr. Borkstar.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications
Repracor Industries
The Fourth Seyllin Conference
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Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
43
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Posted - 2015.03.06 16:14:13 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:I'd keep a tight control on your hero worship there, Dr. Borkstar.
There's no hero worship involved, Dr. Tukoss is an important man, and he cannot be allowed to be condemned and discredited, especially due to the fact he's currently being held somewhere against his will by an unknown party.
This is a precautionary measure, to protect both Arek'Jaalan's interests, and Dr. Tukoss' should he be found and/or arrive back to safety.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4133
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Posted - 2015.03.06 16:20:09 -
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Neither Ishukone nor Zainou are stupid. This decision was made for a reason.
We're not privy to that reason, and I'd suggest that speculation is a waste of time. You either trust that two of the shrewdest organisations in New Eden know what they're doing, or you have the hubris to think you know better.
If it's the latter, well... good luck.
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum
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Posted - 2015.03.06 16:37:20 -
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I would like to point out that Hilen Tukoss has been officially an employee of Eifyr and Co. for over 3 years.
Now that Ishukone and Zainou have officially released whatever claims they might have had, it is my opinion that Eifyr now has the role of sole employer ... and is a corporation under Minmatar law. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4133
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Posted - 2015.03.06 16:40:02 -
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Do corporations have the power to grant citizenship in Minmatar society?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1085
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Posted - 2015.03.06 16:55:15 -
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Stitcher wrote:Do corporations have the power to grant citizenship in Minmatar society? I think that's a uniquely Caldari thing, seeing as how corporate entity's are your government.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1344
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:04:15 -
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You have to be a government to be able to grant citizenship, Borkstar.
You also have to be someone that cares about human rights to protect them. |
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Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
43
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:12:18 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:You have to be a government to be able to grant citizenship, Borkstar.
You also have to be someone that cares about human rights to protect them.
We act as a government in Anoikis for a few systems.
I also care deeply about human rights, when the situation suits me, of course.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
167
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:14:12 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:
We act as a government in Anoikis for a few systems.
Dude what |
Karmilla Strife
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
277
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:24:20 -
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Do you have a flag? |
Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1086
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:27:33 -
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Obvious attempt at gaining corporate prestige through recruitment of a famous name is... obvious.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
168
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:34:25 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Obvious attempt at gaining corporate prestige through recruitment of a famous name is... obvious.
Hey theres nothing wrong with recruiting someone who is famous! a recruit is a recruit!
Jamly if you are reading this..the offer is still up, Join Huogikku corp and i promise you will have your own private army along with your own personal office and Blender
Please accept... |
Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
43
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:44:01 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Obvious attempt at gaining corporate prestige through recruitment of a famous name is... obvious.
There's no attempt at corporate prestige. I have the interests of Arek'Jaalan and Dr. Tukoss in mind, nothing more.
Anything else is a bonus.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1086
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:51:54 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Obvious attempt at gaining corporate prestige through recruitment of a famous name is... obvious. There's no attempt at corporate prestige. I have the interests of Arek'Jaalan and Dr. Tukoss in mind, nothing more. Anything else is a bonus. Hey man, it's cool. I've been trying to get that Gallente pop singer, Molly Serius, to join my corp for the media exposure. So far though, no dice....
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
238
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Posted - 2015.03.06 18:03:26 -
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It's about time he was stripped of his citizenship.
Gÿ+ Ch+½j+ì Korsavius
Gÿ+ (RDC) Intelligence Officer
Gÿ+ [I-RED] Director of Human Resources
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
511
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Posted - 2015.03.06 18:06:20 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:I'd keep a tight control on your hero worship there, Dr. Borkstar. There's no hero worship involved, Dr. Tukoss is an important man, and he cannot be allowed to be condemned and discredited, especially due to the fact he's currently being held somewhere against his will by an unknown party. This is a precautionary measure, to protect both Arek'Jaalan's interests, and Dr. Tukoss' should he be found and/or arrive back to safety.
For the record, are you claiming that just because a man has some influence or importance then he cannot be allowed to be criticized? That if someone is important that puts them completely above reproach? Because what?
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1053
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Posted - 2015.03.06 19:03:16 -
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Am I the only one surprised he still HAD citizenship?
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
393
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Posted - 2015.03.06 19:25:17 -
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Korsavius wrote:It's about time he was stripped of his citizenship.
Agreed.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1741
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Posted - 2015.03.06 19:38:57 -
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Tukoss losing citizenship at this point has only symbolic meaning.
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
43
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Posted - 2015.03.06 20:25:47 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:I'd keep a tight control on your hero worship there, Dr. Borkstar. There's no hero worship involved, Dr. Tukoss is an important man, and he cannot be allowed to be condemned and discredited, especially due to the fact he's currently being held somewhere against his will by an unknown party. This is a precautionary measure, to protect both Arek'Jaalan's interests, and Dr. Tukoss' should he be found and/or arrive back to safety. For the record, are you claiming that just because a man has some influence or importance then he cannot be allowed to be criticized? That if someone is important that puts them completely above reproach? Because what?
I am claiming the knowledge he carries could be vital to all of humankind, no matter what race, gender, et cetera.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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Alexi Komanov
The Combined Interests Group
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Posted - 2015.03.06 20:45:29 -
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It's important to weigh Mr. Tukoss' value with the fact that he may have been compromised by the enemy. His long absence and presumed captivity by the Sleepers are indications that he may no longer be who he says (or even thinks) he is. If/when he resurfaces I would advise extreme caution in interacting with him. |
Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
849
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Posted - 2015.03.06 20:47:52 -
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Alexi Komanov wrote:It's important to weigh Mr. Tukoss' value with the fact that he may have been compromised by the enemy. His long absence and presumed captivity by the Sleepers are indications that he may no longer be who he says (or even thinks) he is. If/when he resurfaces I would advise extreme caution in interacting with him.
Couldn't agree with this more.
-Eran |
Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
43
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Posted - 2015.03.06 20:50:12 -
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Alexi Komanov wrote:It's important to weigh Mr. Tukoss' value with the fact that he may have been compromised by the enemy. His long absence and presumed captivity by the Sleepers are indications that he may no longer be who he says (or even thinks) he is. If/when he resurfaces I would advise extreme caution in interacting with him.
That's my point, we need to get him to a safe location, then assertain what's gone on these past years.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
297
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Posted - 2015.03.06 20:56:48 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tukoss losing citizenship at this point has only symbolic meaning. Ah ... well....
Only sort of?
Corporate citizenship in the Caldari State is bound into ... well, essentially every legal right a person has.
Until now, even if he'd ended up back in Caldari hands, any crimes he was accused of would have been reviewed by a corporate tribunal. Contracts he made could be legally enforced. And so on.
Now, as a nonentity, he can be shot on sight, even if he's not suspected of any specific crime. Agreements with him, even formal contracts, are legally unenforceable because he has no legal standing.
He's formally "not a person" until someone (like the Minmatar Republic) decides to give that standing to him.
Whether Dr. Borkstar can actually provide that standing on his own is ... unless this has happened before ... probably an open question. Capsuleers as legal entities work kind of like miniature autocratic nation states, but our independence is a matter of fact, not formality (though our formal legal rights are still pretty extreme).
We can certainly grant people in our care fairly high levels of security, but Dr. Tukoss might have to set up housekeeping in Dr. Borkstar's hangar if he's lucky enough to find his way there. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Black Parable
1673
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Posted - 2015.03.07 02:11:33 -
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As far as I'm aware Mr. Tukoss is a capsuleer under CONCORD, if so then he can just claim the same extralegal and extraterritorial rights any CONCORD registered capsuleer can claim when operating in the areas of CONCORD signatories which makes the revoking of his Ishukone corporate citizenship a symbolic gesture unless Mr. Tukoss decides legal rights in the Caldari State is of importance.
Although corporate citizenship can always be such an odd thing, speaking from personal experience. Kaalakiota revoked my own corporate citizenship last year under allegations of treason. I then claimed political asylum in the Federation and was granted citizenship and transferred it to a Caldari Prime district under Freedom of Immigration clauses. Then all of a sudden Kaalakiota corporate courts retract all charges, re-instate my corporate citizenship, grant my request for official retirement and I'm finally able to claim my CFU pension fund. I suppose I should be glad that such misunderstandings occurred, it at least has meant I am now afforded certain legal rights irrespective of whether I am in a Federal or Ishukone district when I am on the soil of Home.
Of course in the case of Mr. Tukoss his citizenship, I assume was, revoked on the grounds that he's potentially not the actual person registered with House of Records and listed on Ishukone files.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3442
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Posted - 2015.03.07 03:26:35 -
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This is a disturbing development.
Something has scared Mother Ishukone enough that she has disowned one of her Most Wanted.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Frenjo Borkstar
Lost Valkyries Absolute Darkness
43
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Posted - 2015.03.07 11:10:53 -
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Something indeed is going on.
Dr. Tukoss may possibly carry information and technology that is vital to all of humanity, as i've said before. We can't let petty corporations and corporate squabbles get in the way of our continued future.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
(Acting) Coordinator of Arek'Jaalan,
The Borkstar Initiative.
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