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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
1388
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Posted - 2015.03.07 18:38:05 -
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Signed
And furthermore... DSTON has pressed for inter-sovereignty agreements granting automatic "Freed Slave" status for all illegally smuggled slaves entering non-slave space. Make slave smuggling unprofitable or nearly so. In other words, put DSTON out of business. Make the deathcan a thing of the past. The SCC could easily make all slaves "unsaleable" in non-slave space. It jsut needs to be done.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
988
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Posted - 2015.03.07 18:55:18 -
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U'tah Arareb wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh what part of Quote:And to those foreigners who will try to interject here and call for abolition: Don't. If you value the life and health of slaves, don't derail this thread. You would only be weakening this proposal and hurting the very people you want to protect. did you not understand?
The part where people believe that slavery is good for the life and health of those who suffer it. I'm thinking if you offered the slaves freedom and a life where they can make their own way they would be somewhat happier with their lives. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
988
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Posted - 2015.03.07 19:03:01 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:U'tah Arareb wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh what part of Quote:And to those foreigners who will try to interject here and call for abolition: Don't. If you value the life and health of slaves, don't derail this thread. You would only be weakening this proposal and hurting the very people you want to protect. did you not understand? He probably didn't even bother reading it. Most likely he saw slavery and remove in the same sentence and jumped to the conclusion that it was time for another activist rally.
Actually I did read it all. The fact that I detest such a practice has nothing to do with reading comprehension and everything to do with believing that all have the right to live free. |
Alizebeth Amalath
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2015.03.07 19:16:16 -
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Thank you, Samira, for your words in support. I don't think that I could have said it better myself.
Rodj Blake wrote:The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them.
Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves. For holders there are much better markets than the SCC market. However, this petition is only calling for a cessation of sell orders from Imperial, Khanid and Mandate agencies. The transport of slaves (on agent work, for example) would still be legal. The buy orders by the various agencies and powers should stay in place as well, as a way for capsuleers that acquire slaves (from death cans, wrecks or otherwise) to place them back in the Imperial system where they can be properly Reclaimed. |
Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
512
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Posted - 2015.03.07 19:32:13 -
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Hmm.
Signed.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
176
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Posted - 2015.03.07 19:49:27 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:U'tah Arareb wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh what part of Quote:And to those foreigners who will try to interject here and call for abolition: Don't. If you value the life and health of slaves, don't derail this thread. You would only be weakening this proposal and hurting the very people you want to protect. did you not understand? The part where people believe that slavery is good for the life and health of those who suffer it. I'm thinking if you offered the slaves freedom and a life where they can make their own way they would be somewhat happier with their lives.
Dude i don't believe slavery is good either ..i personally dislike it...but we cant just immediately abolish it...If **** was that easy then we wouldn't even be discussing this...
what we can do is try to improve their lifestyle by leaving them to the care of...somewhat more responsible holders rather than batshit insane capsuleers that don't follow certain guidelines that holders sometimes do......Did you not see Nauplius' thread were he just bought and wiped out a small city population worth of slaves? I take it you didn't
But if you truly cared about the slaves you would sign the petition so we can prevent **** like that from happening again
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1357
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:03:33 -
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There isn't any need to argue with Mr. Farsaidh. He's stated his opinion and that is enough that needs to be said on either side. If he does not wish to sign the petition then he does not have to.
Thank you to everyone that has voiced your support. |
ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
612
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:20:45 -
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I am torn, there are capsuleers who take advantage of the SCC markets to purchase them and then Smuggle them away from thier life of slavery. I don't care about what rights holders have but, I do find myself caring much more what happens to slaves, especially Matari ones.
I would be willing to sign off on this if I could be sure it was the right thing to do, but as of now I am not so sure. I have after all bought thousands of slaves from the SCC market to relocate them to Stain where thry could live happy lives. |
Alizebeth Amalath
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:36:05 -
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It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6742
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:38:06 -
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Consider it signed.
While slavery in and of itself is not an institution I'm fond of, I can understand it and support it in this context: that a master or lord improves the lives of those beneath him, by virtue of education, right action, and obligation. Uplift is a noble thing, and the institution has value only insofar as it allows uplift.
Clearly, capsuleers are not well-suited to such a noble purpose, as we see with that cracked facsimile of an experimenter, Borkstar, or that blood-soaked madman, Nauplius, or that vacant-eyed minion of Sansha, Valentina.
Slaves should be held only by those who are indeed able to fulfill their duty to lift them up.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
988
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:48:59 -
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Foley Aberas Jones wrote:...
But if you truly cared about the slaves you would sign the petition so we can prevent **** like that from happening again
Signing this petition or not would not change anything with regards to lunatics murdering people whether they are 'legally' owned or not.
As stated by Samira I have made my point and counter proposal. To my mind the complete abolishment of slavery *is* the only option that would help as you can't make such a state of existence 'less slavey' or own 'happy slaves'.
Others will obviously do as they will but in all conscience (an odd concept for many capsuleers admittedly) I could not let such a petition go by without voicing my concerns and opinion. I will simply keep releasing any slaves I find in the meantime and give them freedom to live as they wish on my colonies. I may not be able to change an Empire's policies but I can do everything else within my power to change the lives of those I come in contact with. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
820
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Posted - 2015.03.07 20:53:52 -
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Alizebeth Amalath wrote:It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me. Hey now. Be careful how broad of a brush you have your slaves paint me with. I spoke out on this thread on your side. |
Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
72
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Posted - 2015.03.07 21:46:22 -
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Signed, and may this cause us to reflect on the morality of slavery overall.
Samira Kernher wrote:And to those foreigners who will try to interject here and call for abolition: Don't. If you value the life and health of slaves, don't derail this thread. You would only be weakening this proposal and hurting the very people you want to protect.
And what of fellow Amarrians who call for abolition?
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Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
851
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Posted - 2015.03.07 22:22:53 -
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Signed.
Though keep in mind a lot of slaves on the SCC market are not "Amarrian" slaves but ones captured by Angel Cartel and other slavers.
-Eran |
Alizebeth Amalath
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2015.03.07 22:49:39 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Alizebeth Amalath wrote:It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me. Hey now. Be careful how broad of a brush you have your slaves paint me with. I spoke out on this thread on your side. I have no slaves. And if you spoke for the proposal, then you were helping my argument.
Eran Mintor wrote: Though keep in mind a lot of slaves on the SCC market are not "Amarrian" slaves but ones captured by Angel Cartel and other slavers.
My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
823
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Posted - 2015.03.07 22:58:15 -
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Alizebeth Amalath wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Alizebeth Amalath wrote:It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me. Hey now. Be careful how broad of a brush you have your slaves paint me with. I spoke out on this thread on your side. I have no slaves. Apologies. Must be all these mass generalizations flying about. |
Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise
37
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Posted - 2015.03.07 23:24:57 -
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Dutarro wrote:Signed, and may this cause us to reflect on the morality of slavery overall. Samira Kernher wrote:And to those foreigners who will try to interject here and call for abolition: Don't. If you value the life and health of slaves, don't derail this thread. You would only be weakening this proposal and hurting the very people you want to protect. And what of fellow Amarrians who call for abolition?
This would not be the place to discuss it. |
Blue spy
Eclipse Navy Brave Collective
33
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Posted - 2015.03.08 01:01:25 -
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Ridiculous!
This petition is an attempt by petty ideologues from both the Minmatar and Amarrian side of this debate to force a neutral financial entity whose purview is to oversee our markets for the betterment of all, to adopt a distinctively partisan stance for the benefit of some.
If the Amarrian holders want to be the only dealers in slaves they should compete on the free market like everybody else. What next? Should we ban all non-caldari missiles, or give the Federation a monopoly on soft-drinks because its culturally significant to them?
Keep your religion and politics out of my market! |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
329
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Posted - 2015.03.08 01:11:22 -
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Alizebeth Amalath wrote: My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.
Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
21
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Posted - 2015.03.08 01:23:03 -
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Signed!
And go away Nauplius. |
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Blue spy
Eclipse Navy Brave Collective
33
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Posted - 2015.03.08 01:23:10 -
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Nauplius wrote:Alizebeth Amalath wrote: My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.
Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.
If we can band together and protect our free market it might never have to come to that. Support your local non-holder slave dealers, people. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Overload Everything
289
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Posted - 2015.03.08 01:25:47 -
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Nauplius wrote:Alizebeth Amalath wrote: My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.
Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.
So you'd buy your slaves off of a group with a notably large Matari Population? Even down to having a bastardized version of the Matari tattooing rituals? Wow..... |
Alizebeth Amalath
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2015.03.08 01:50:16 -
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Nauplius wrote:Alizebeth Amalath wrote: My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.
Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God.
Okay. |
Merdaneth
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
350
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Posted - 2015.03.08 02:15:38 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them.
Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves.
My opinion is congruent with that of Admiral Blake on this matter.
No blanket bans. Merely introduce proper checks and balances. |
Thea Isotalo
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
22
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Posted - 2015.03.08 02:20:32 -
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Albizu Zateki wrote: Less slaves? I say more slaves!
This is why we don't....This...
This is why you got fired!
I know we're supposed to be allies of the Amarr and all, but seriously. How much longer does the State have to be complicit in a perpetual crime against humanity?
SIGNED. But you people really need to get a new religion.
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Alizebeth Amalath
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2015.03.08 02:35:27 -
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Merdaneth wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them.
Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves. My opinion is congruent with that of Admiral Blake on this matter. No blanket bans. Merely introduce proper checks and balances. Trying to change the SCC is a futile gesture that results in nothing but good feelings for having tried. Changing the policy of the Imperial and Khanid institutions that sell slaves on the SCC market is a much more attainable and specific goal. If you or Admiral Blake have a plan that is achievable, measurable and specific, I would love to hear it. |
Shalee Lianne
Imperial Angels
166
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Posted - 2015.03.08 05:24:12 -
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/ signed
Lady Shalee Lianne
http://amarrian.blogspot.com/ -á~ Roleplay blog. http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog.
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Bel Boma
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2015.03.08 05:29:25 -
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Okay, people.
No one cares about your stance on slavery, neither for nor against.
The thread does not exist for you to voice your opinions on the matter. Either sign or don't. Debate about it elsewhere. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
209
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Posted - 2015.03.08 05:38:06 -
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Signed, and forwarded for consideration to other interested members of Low-Class. The SCC market should *not* have standing orders for a "commodity" that is considered contraband in multiple empires -- it's a subtle endorsement of the slave trade by the SCC, which I strongly doubt is their intent.
How would you feel if the SCC put standing sell orders for Drop up in, say, Jorund or Poitot? |
Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1089
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Posted - 2015.03.08 07:02:25 -
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All of my support, if for no other reason then it would inconvenience Nauppie. Also, obligatory: slavery is bad, grr.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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