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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.07 11:35:07 -
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Sisohiv wrote:The now useless Cyno jammer will become a cloak jammer.
Pure speculation on my part but it would solve the issue. Cyno jammers aren't useless.
Vaju Enki wrote:It's be proposed multiple times, cloaked ships shouldn't be on Local. I guess CCP should also add remaps and SP for PLEX, mining capital ships, Jove as a fifth playable race, etc. since those have been proposed multiple times as well.
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Incestuous Criticism
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.03.07 11:57:06 -
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I dont see why cloaky camping is so hard.
I have ALTS that are cloaky campers. And I admit I am not always at my desk.
So lets look at a couple of things.....
Local Chat - EVE is a player driven sand box right. So why for SOV space areas CCP havent created a communications module that needs to be placed in a system. When a communications HUB is in system then local appears. No communications hub no local.
That deals with local chat.
Cloaky ships.
Again have another hub that sends out a sonar ping say every couple of hours that shows you every ship within system. Including cloaky ships. These ships can be seen by members of a corp in the system map. (Just like scanning).
Similar to onlining a structure there is an audible sound that notifies that a sonar ping has been sent out, or maybe a visual affect on a ship.
If I was at my desk looking at my cloaky eyes then I would know that may have been found. If I wasnt at my desk then guess what. Gives members in a system a chance to find me.
Again no sonar hub in system, no way of finding a cloaky ship.
Just a couple of thoughts.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
128
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Posted - 2015.03.07 12:04:19 -
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Incestuous Criticism wrote:I dont see why cloaky camping is so hard.
I have ALTS that are cloaky campers. And I admit I am not always at my desk.
So lets look at a couple of things.....
Local Chat - EVE is a player driven sand box right. So why for SOV space areas CCP havent created a communications module that needs to be placed in a system. When a communications HUB is in system then local appears. No communications hub no local.
That deals with local chat.
Cloaky ships.
Again have another hub that sends out a sonar ping say every couple of hours that shows you every ship within system. Including cloaky ships. These ships can be seen by members of a corp in the system map. (Just like scanning).
Similar to onlining a structure there is an audible sound that notifies that a sonar ping has been sent out, or maybe a visual affect on a ship.
If I was at my desk looking at my cloaky eyes then I would know that may have been found. If I wasnt at my desk then guess what. Gives members in a system a chance to find me.
Again no sonar hub in system, no way of finding a cloaky ship.
Just a couple of thoughts.
1) Cloaky bot constantly warping between 2 points beats this too easily. Or just warping when he's notified about being hit by ping. Both ways are derping the whole idea. 2) Let's imagine for a second that you got hit by a sonar, were active, avoided that. You can now safely afk cloak camp until next ping in few hours. What did it solve again?
I do not pretend to know a solution, but I do know what isn't a solution.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Incestuous Criticism
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.03.07 12:26:27 -
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Thankyou bright spark, you are so wise....
You missed the bit... AFK cloaky are a pain, that is what the issue is. So if I was AFK I wouldnt know if the sonar went off and instantly someone in the corp could warp to 0 and bang, one dead cloaky ship.
If I was at my desk then yeah I know sonar went off. Maybe instead of being a set time then the sonar can only be activated a set nbr of times every hour. Then that way it is not so structured. So someone can activated it three time in the first ten minutes or maybe stretched out over the hour.
Again I like the way you say, I don't have a clue to fix, but you state my idea doesnt work... At least I have ideas.... |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
694
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Posted - 2015.03.07 12:27:27 -
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What's fantastic about CCP is their ability to find solutions to things that aren't problems. Like AFK cloaking, force projection, suicide ganking, input broadcasting, and corp friendly fire.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Incestuous Criticism
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.03.07 12:32:45 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:What's fantastic about CCP is their ability to find solutions to things that aren't problems. Like AFK cloaking, force projection, suicide ganking, input broadcasting, and corp friendly fire.
Actually you are right, at the end of the day CCP will do what CCP wants to do. Do they really look at ideas players put forward. While I would like to be optimistic and say yes, it would depend on the DEV looking after it. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.03.07 12:43:39 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:And the reason people aren't afraid of AFK cloakers in w-space isn't because there's no local, since not knowing if someone is there results in the default assumption being that someone IS there. The reason is simply because you can't jump to cynos in w-space; literally the only way into the system is through a wormhole. It still comes back to local, just think about it. Why and when do people hot drop and what would cause them pause to do so?
You're stating something about cynos, but have you considered the impact local has upon them too and what impact no local would have on that game play? This of course ignores the fact that AFKing is an inactive pursuit and cynoing isn't. But that's back to basics stuff.
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It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
364
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Posted - 2015.03.07 12:52:48 -
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I like the implications of what Fozzie is saying. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.03.07 12:54:28 -
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If hot-dropping site runners was still a thing, I'd be worried.
With space aids, this has been curtailed (not stopped, but sitting on a titan's azz is no longer what everybody does every night of the week).
If covops were removed from local, you'd have to deny covops from knowing what is in local (goes both ways if you black them out).
This would be a boon for hunters, and force people from soloing anoms 50 jumps from home for fear of getting jumped because "dunno if cloaky scout is in local".
It'd be interesting to see what implementation they would do of it.
Yaay!!!!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12038
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Posted - 2015.03.07 13:02:38 -
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Reading that, I'm tempted to draw a particular conclusion.
And if that conclusion turns out to be correct, I will laugh myself half to death.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
128
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Posted - 2015.03.07 13:33:30 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:What's fantastic about CCP is their ability to find solutions to things that aren't problems. Like AFK cloaking, force projection, suicide ganking, input broadcasting, and corp friendly fire. All of those are problems, but #1 and #3 still aint solved.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
296
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:06:01 -
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No local outside of the Sov primetime, let alliances set their own primetime. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1071
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:08:25 -
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Because not knowing the cloaker is there makes it safer.....?
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:14:38 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Because not knowing the cloaker is there makes it safer.....?
You assume that the system is camped. So if you are going to pve, you factor in the risk and either pve with a group, pve with backup on call, not pve alone, or pve knowing that your ship will probably die horribly.
You assume the risk, instead of instantly running whenever local goes up by 1. It's a different method of thinking.
Yaay!!!!
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1072
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:23:17 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Because not knowing the cloaker is there makes it safer.....? You assume that the system is camped. So if you are going to pve, you factor in the risk and either pve with a group, pve with backup on call, not pve alone, or pve knowing that your ship will probably die horribly. You assume the risk, instead of instantly running whenever local goes up by 1. It's a different method of thinking.
Begs the question...why not just assume the risk now?
My experience in null is limited (had a character in Brave for awhile, and now I randomly jump around exploring), but I've never understood how knowing someone is there is worse than assuming someone is there. I get the psychological warfare of seeing a potential hostile in space, but if the knowledge is removed doesn't that just make the paranoia a permanent thing?
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Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:25:33 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:but if the knowledge is removed doesn't that just make the paranoia a permanent thing? Just get RSI in your d-scan finger, that relieves most of the paranoia |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1073
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:28:15 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:but if the knowledge is removed doesn't that just make the paranoia a permanent thing? Just get RSI in your d-scan finger, that relieves most of the paranoia
When I lived in a wormhole, I was convinced I was going to break d-scan from overuse
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12038
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:32:28 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:but if the knowledge is removed doesn't that just make the paranoia a permanent thing? Just get RSI in your d-scan finger, that relieves most of the paranoia When I lived in a wormhole, I was convinced I was going to break d-scan from overuse
I found it oddly refreshing.
Now, the pos mechanics? Oh, hell no. That was what eventually drove me out.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Alice Johansen
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
15
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Posted - 2015.03.07 14:49:19 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Begs the question...why not just assume the risk now? Because right now there is no risk when there isn't a neut in local... ...and when there is a neut nullbears would rather cry on the forums endlessly instead of dealing with the risk.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3993
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Posted - 2015.03.07 15:27:08 -
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Appart from the fact that reopening locked threads is prohibited, there already is a thread on (AFK)cloaking. Please feel free to continue the discussion there.
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ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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