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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.08 20:14:08 -
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Defarge wrote:So it would seem my quickest way to be able to efficiently do lvl 4s would be to upgrade the kalidescope fit by not using the fof. So I need more missile range. Think the path is clear... I think! :) Yes. Now that you have a good fit, that does any mission any time and you know what to expect from the rats, start using regular cruise missiles.
The main emphasis of my fof fit is that instead of struggling... loosing time, loosing ships, not making isk, not making lp, loosing isk, and getting frustrated in general, you get a fit that does the missions with some ease. You get the experience, you get isk, you get lp, you get loot and salvage, you get confident. But all these good things come with a price. The price is that missions take longer to run with my fof fit.
Carry regular and 2k of auto targeting missiles for gurista and serp missions. If gurista jam you, reload with auto targeters and keep on killing them. If serp damp your sensor range, reload with auto targeters and keep killing them. Other rat factions don't really do anything too terrible so just use regular t1 ammo on them.
Rigor rigs is key to killing frigs and cruisers. I think it takes one salvo from navy raven with t1 cruise missiles to kill regular rat cruiser, but that is with all 5 skills and 3x rigor rigs.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4100
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Posted - 2015.03.08 23:18:28 -
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Caleidascope wrote:The main emphasis of my fof fit is that instead of struggling... loosing time, loosing ships, not making isk, not making lp, loosing isk, and getting frustrated in general, you get a fit that does the missions with some ease. You get the experience, you get isk, you get lp, you get loot and salvage, you get confident. But all these good things come with a price. The price is that missions take longer to run with my fof fit. And this is of course a valid point. In my experience, the Navy Raven does not perform as well as the Barghest with a FoF setup. There are a few reasons for this:
1. The Navy Raven has a larger signature radius, slower velocity and inertia - which means you can't tank or negate a lot of damage through velocity. 2. The Navy Raven has a limited capacitor, less shields and passive shield recharge - which means relying more on burst shield boosting and micromanagement. 3. The Navy Raven loses a lot of FoF volleys due to transit when targets are destroyed, so even without the damage application bonus you're still doing more raw DPS with the Barghest.
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Defarge
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.09 06:14:54 -
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With the barghest's 50% penalty to missile flight time I'm guessing that's more of an 'in your face' strategy not the sniping type :) |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4100
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Posted - 2015.03.09 10:13:49 -
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Defarge wrote:With the barghest's 50% penalty to missile flight time I'm guessing that's more of an 'in your face' strategy not the sniping type :) You do realize this is more than offset with the +200% missile velocity bonus, yes?
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4100
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:29:33 -
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Just for something different, I cooked up an alternate L4 mission missile fit that's actually a riot to fly. The short version is that it's cap stable, applies near-perfect DPS without webs or target painters, zips around quickly (between missions, gates, objectives), is not heavily skill-intensive and won't break the bank @ $464-million (~) ISK - so it'll pay for itself in about 8 hours.
Polarized Orthrus
5x Polarized Heavy Assault Missile Launchers (Rage Heavy Assault Missiles) Auto Targeting System II (gives you 10 targets) 5x Warrior II drones
Federation Navy 100MN Afterburner Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II 2x Cap Recharger II
3x Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II
2x Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II 1x Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Recommended Implants: Zor Navigation Link and Hyper-Link
With Low or Mid-Grade Nomad implants, you get an align time of something insane like 2.5 seconds - which also ensures that you both accelerate quicker and orbit at higher velocities. The extra inertia also ensures you enter and exit warp faster, so you're actually getting the equivalent of around 4 AU/s warp speed. Obviously the ship is paper thin in terms of tank (9.35k), so safe undocks are recommended at your favourite mission haunts.
With perfect V skills this deals 951 selective DPS with missiles to 35.4km (Javelins yield 661 DPS at 64.2km, with Faction somewhere in-between). Drones will deliver another 80-100 DPS depending on selection (I prefer Warriors). Polarized launchers hold 198 rounds (!) of heavy assault ammunition, so you'll almost never need to reload during any phase (or even entire missions). The rate of fire is around 2.5 seconds/volley, so you'll rarely lose a volley in-transit when a target is destroyed. The Auto-Targeting System (optional) is just to give you more targets to lock-up.
With a bit of bling and a few missile implants this thing will actually dish out close to 1200 DPS! Yes, you do need to maneuver around a bit - but at 1738 m/s (2454 m/s overheated) it really doesn't take very long. A Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner actually pushes this to 1921 m/s (2729 m/s overheated) and actually frees up a bit more capacitor if you're short on skills.
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Defarge
Hounds Of Haides
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:08:39 -
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22 days went quick! quick update with what's going on with me! Changed from grinding caldari navy missions to sisters so now live in (censored) running L4s.
Current fit:
CNR
cruise missile launcher II x8 active shield resists (dissipation field ii) (faction specific) x2 meta 4 tps x2 caldari navy shield boost amp x-large pith b-type shield booster caldari navy ballistic control system x4 drone damage amplifier ii
2x rigor 1 1x large liquid cooled electronics rig
using t2 missiles
drones are 1x gecko 1x vespa ii 3x hornet ii
DPS drones 213.1 missiles 856.3 total 1069.4
So I'm getting used to the missions and noting down times to complete in current setup. Think my goal is to figure out which missions are best to blitz for LP return. Fairly confident with my current fit. I keep a MJD and sensor booster ii with my other mission supplies in hub incase I need to snipe a perticularly hard mission but haven't ran into one yet. So to finish maxing out my cnr I've started training all missile skills from 4-5 and caldari bs from 4 to 5. After that I'm not certain. Considering updating to heavy drones but with the cnr I don't think I could have any heavies out with the gecko.
Would love some comment to see if I could tighten what I'm doing, thanks guys! :) |
Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4247
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:20:33 -
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Defarge wrote:Would love some comment to see if I could tighten what I'm doing, thanks guys! :) It's a fairly solid fit, so there's not a lot I can suggest. By going with a T2 BCU you're only losing about 1.25% DPS (although that does reduce CPU by 16). I would be more inclined to do that, save the ~85m ISK and drop the DDA in favor of a co-processor which would allow you to run another rigor. I would also upgrade two of the rigors to T2s, so instead of a -40% signature radius you get -60% (that's 50% more damage application). You may find that you can get away with a single TP, but if not - a pair of target painters with the upgraded rigors will allow you to use Fury ammunition against even cruisers. Good luck.
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Defarge
Hounds Of Haides
0
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:47:25 -
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Using t2 faction ammo against cruisers at the minute to be honest mate, almost always pop them in one volley. Battleship rats usually take 3 volleys to pop so I'm wondering how the investment of 200mil (t2 rig) would improve my performance. One thing I would like to fit is a prop mod as slowboating to the gate when I forget to set approach on warp in is painful and really kills my completion time :)
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stoicfaux
5548
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:31:41 -
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Defarge wrote:
Would love some comment to see if I could tighten what I'm doing, thanks guys! :)
If you need a prop mode for the few missions that require one (and if you cannot decline those missions,) then drop the sig amp (or BCU II) for a cpu and one of the TPs for the prop mod. Another consideration is downgrading the shield booster to a c-type to save on CPU.
The Sig Amp is there because 110km is pretty much the highest range that level 4 NPCs will be at. Upgrading the Rigors to 2xRigor II + Flare II is a personal choice due to cost. Carry Hobgoblins and Warriors to deal with frigates.
[Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II
Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Explosive Deflection Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1114
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:59:45 -
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Yeah in a navy raven you don't really have to go too far with application rigs since it already has a 25% bonus to application.
Definitely make room for a MWD somewhere, btw i wouldn't be surprised now if someone hunted you down and killed you in high sec after you posted your fit. |
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Defarge
Hounds Of Haides
0
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:29:11 -
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Ah, that's a good point :( guess I should end my mission running early today just incase.
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4251
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Posted - 2015.03.29 20:08:39 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Definitely make room for a MWD somewhere, btw i wouldn't be surprised now if someone hunted you down and killed you in high sec after you posted your fit. Why? What's the potential loot drop? 1-2 Faction BCUs and possibly a Faction shield booster. Hardly worth the cost of the 3-4 Tornados required to gank it.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1114
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Posted - 2015.03.29 20:58:07 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Definitely make room for a MWD somewhere, btw i wouldn't be surprised now if someone hunted you down and killed you in high sec after you posted your fit. Why? What's the potential loot drop? 1-2 Faction BCUs and possibly a Faction shield booster. Hardly worth the cost of the 3-4 Tornados required to gank it.
wouldn't need tornadoes, 10 catalysts would do the job fine. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1005
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Posted - 2015.03.29 21:27:01 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Definitely make room for a MWD somewhere, btw i wouldn't be surprised now if someone hunted you down and killed you in high sec after you posted your fit. Why? What's the potential loot drop? 1-2 Faction BCUs and possibly a Faction shield booster. Hardly worth the cost of the 3-4 Tornados required to gank it. wouldn't need tornadoes, 10 catalysts would do the job fine.
split 10 ways you are barely paying for "teh lulz" If it gets to the point that I'm targeting a ship for ganking and all it has are some CN bcus and a pith booster.... well at that point I'd probably blindly choose the next ship and gank it.
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Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2015.03.29 21:50:49 -
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Defarge wrote:Suppose this is where I hit trouble, so many different fits that seem viable! :) Thanks for the advice gang, will sort it out tomorrow now as I've just finished work and I'm beat.
well there is always the test server to try before you buy
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4252
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:11:58 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:split 10 ways you are barely paying for "teh lulz" If it gets to the point that I'm targeting a ship for ganking and all it has are some CN bcus and a pith booster.... well at that point I'd probably blindly choose the next ship and gank it. That was kind of my point...
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