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Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:32:29 -
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sabre906 wrote:Recent jump freighter nerf - null dwellers now have to haul through whs. Upcoming Sov changes - more roams coming to pop you Upcoming local removal - no more intel on people coming to whack you Coming soon^tm, sov null = wh space with gates, that you have to pay sov bills for, with far less isk in it.
you should also add CCp is working to improve capsuleers "quality of life"(TM)
People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back --á EvE
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Wraith Soulsark
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
1
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:17:40 -
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Gypsien Agittain wrote:Those of you that think that a regular line-member of an alliance makes more money in nullsec than an average highsec carebear know absolutely nothing about wealth generation in EVE.
you are 100% correct
unless you are running anoms in a carrier your bounty ticks are not that much better than a lvl 4 mission add in the lp from said mission and you probably break even on that front.
In addition to that you also get to spend a lot of the little time you will have to rat or otherwise earn non passive isk docked up because there is an asshat afk cloaky parked in your system put there by the what ever big alliance or coalition is your enemy because to them the price of a plex to fund that toon is a drop in a very very large bucket.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1439
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:22:19 -
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Nullsec will always be better than living in empire, for the same reason living in a shoebox in London will always be better than a detached mansion in, like...the North. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2224
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:24:54 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I prefer null because it has the least restrictions.
That's it pretty much. No restrictions, no silly PvFineprint =x
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6576
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:30:54 -
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Wraith Soulsark wrote:Gypsien Agittain wrote:Those of you that think that a regular line-member of an alliance makes more money in nullsec than an average highsec carebear know absolutely nothing about wealth generation in EVE. you are 100% correct unless you are running anoms in a carrier your bounty ticks are not that much better than a lvl 4 mission add in the lp from said mission and you probably break even on that front. In addition to that you also get to spend a lot of the little time you will have to rat or otherwise earn non passive isk docked up because there is an asshat afk cloaky parked in your system put there by the what ever big alliance or coalition is your enemy because to them the price of a plex to fund that toon is a drop in a very very large bucket. Is there some particular big alliance or coalition that is your enemy that you have in mind here?
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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PhantomMajor
High Flyers The Kadeshi
28
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:03:26 -
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I love null sec because it's free of di*kheads like CODE and James who take up station tanking the first chance they get if a real fight breaks out. Wardecks mean squat in null coz you know these tough guy wannabes will never go south of a 0.5 system...They sneer at miners and have the audacity to call them "Carebears" all hail the glorious hypocrites
People in null who wanna pvp do...simples! |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2224
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:28:05 -
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PhantomMajor wrote:I love null sec because it's free of di*kheads like CODE and James who take up station tanking the first chance they get if a real fight breaks out. Wardecks mean squat in null coz you know these tough guy wannabes will never go south of a 0.5 system...They sneer at miners and have the audacity to call them "Carebears" all hail the glorious hypocrites
People in null who wanna pvp do...simples!
I actually have seen CODE guys in 0.0 before. They even killed mining ships. It was all rather funny. |
Samuel Wess
Torin Industries Happy Cartel
81
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:02:10 -
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I live in null because its quiet and relaxed.
Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"
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DaReaper
Net 7
1843
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:22:02 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:All the tools needed to make Null a utopia are in place. It could be a phenomenal place to live with open markets, a solid industrial base and good fights. The problem is not the place. It's the people. If every null player wasn't a douche, 0.0 would be a whole different place. Mr Epeen
Mild disagree, something in null could use a tweek. My biggest wish list to give null better tools is the removal of moon miners and having moon goo be active mined, either via comets, new roid fields, or form the moon with a ship. This would make null better for the lineman
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2666
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:07:05 -
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Zappity wrote:Because of the changes that will be made.
All of those changes are net negatives to actually living there. It doesn't affect my gameplay much, but it's going to absolutely suck for some people (The south and southeast is going to be on fire in six months). |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2668
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:16:58 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay? On the EVE Down Under podcast CCP Fozzie pretty much said null has truck loads of ISK being made. Like a LOT! So don't believe all the babies crying that it is not worth living in null. It very much is worth it and once these new sov changes happen, it will be even better.
Fozzies head has been largely shown to be up his ass on quite a few subjects lately. The only thing stopping me from dropping a dedicated alt into highsec incursions is the time and money it would take to train up a third account or plex up dual training. I view direct nullsec income generation (Ratting) to be a last ditch effort thing i do to make money.
I didn't run imports for ages because rat isk was so good. |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
164
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:37:44 -
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A whole LOT safer than hisec believe me... |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
479
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:52:46 -
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I enjoy nullsec industry, mostly because producing in nullsec outposts is generally more secure than producing in a POS, with similar benefits. Yes the cost of entry is higher, you need a jump freighter, you need to be in a sov holding alliance, or on good terms with the locals and you need to know how to play the game and profit despite being in the position of 'prey' a lot of the time. But it is lucrative.
Freeports and Provibloc offer significant advantages to independent groups that are coordinated, dedicated and know how to run a tight ship when it comes to production. In space? I wouldn't know - I play in faction warfare for my pvp kick. But for large scale production on a large wallet, nullsec can't be beat if you have a good route and a plan to match.
Having to cooperate with others is a big attraction. Far from the stereotype of local smack and trolling, actual real negotiations between those with something to offer on both sides (usually fees and taxes from one and facilities form the other) are fruitful, largely respectful and i have had far more pleasant exchanges with the representatives that dwarf my little industrial operation than I have bad ones. The social game is very real in null, and though freeports mitigate the need to socialise, being able to offer services to locals and/or form friendships for mutual protection and production can be rewarding in more ways than mere profit.
It is possible that your kit might get locked in a station, or your home system sieged, but herein lies the benefit of an outpost. Your stuff can't be destroyed (yet). This makes an outpost a risky proposition ONLY when jumping in with unknowns in local. You can happily have your stock locked down and still have options. Firesell if you want to liquidate fast, or infiltrate and contract your goods out from inside the occupying camp if you want to play the long game (and have alts). This is far preferable to a POS, where the last you'll see of your gear is a kill-of-the-day tweet at your expense.
So, my key reasons for loving the hell out of null:
1. Bulk production with reasonable asset security 2. Dealing with the locals, pleasantness abounds despite the bad press 3. It really grounds you as to where you stand in the grand order of things, especially when talking to members of large alliances and comparing their day to day to your own. Plenty of room to learn and grow by seeing how the other side lives 4. Frontier life. It isn't the wild wild west anymore, but nullsec is lawless, even in NRDS zones. Peril can be exciting, and no plan is more rewarding than a well executed plan with an element of risk. Null gives you the tools to mitigate risk down to a bare minimum, but still gives your opponents the opportunity to inconvenience or outright deprive you of assets., at least for a time. Want to feel good? Plan. Failure to plan is planning to fail.
Tl;dr: Independent industrialist with facwar pvp alt loves null, thinks new changes will be interesting and rock the landscape, but life will be business as usual. Looking forwards to it all.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
523
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Posted - 2015.03.10 15:16:13 -
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Because most of what you said is not exactly true. I do not experience any of the issues you listed (actual sov mechanics aside).
But then again, you are not exactly talking from experience, are you? Maybe THAT is why you cannot see the benefits... you are living through others edited anecdotal frustrations.
Find a good alliance and go live in null at least for a little bit, before you make judgements on how "bad" it is. What is the most it can cost you?
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1552
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:58:57 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:What is the most it can cost you? time which is money too
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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ashley Eoner
457
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:30:26 -
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Arronicus wrote:Beans Headio wrote:The income from living in null is 10 x better than in high sec and if your with the right group of ppl its much safer than anywhere else..
No we dont have Jita round the corner but really all that equates to to a need to up your game...
the best advice i can give it try it with a good alliance and make your own mind up i promise you will never go back to High sec again Highsec incursions in decent groups like ISN can pull 100m/hour reliably, with lower risk than similarly paying nullsec activities. As a very long time nullsec resident, the income is nowhere remotely close to 10x more. The only activity that is really safer in null than high is mining. As for reasons to live in null; the player interaction, the increased consequence of actions, the diplomacy required, the group ops, the feeling of ownership. How cute you think 100m an hour is a lot.. Try WHs sometimes ;)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6602
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:52:22 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:A whole LOT safer than hisec believe me... I totally believe you now
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2736
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:54:49 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay?
Ah well , i guess we still got wormholes and low-sec for ''the adventurous type of player'' .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:33:37 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Because most of what you said is not exactly true. I do not experience any of the issues you listed (actual sov mechanics aside).
But then again, you are not exactly talking from experience, are you? Maybe THAT is why you cannot see the benefits... you are living through others edited anecdotal frustrations.
Find a good alliance and go live in null at least for a little bit, before you make judgements on how "bad" it is. What is the most it can cost you? Right, my medical clone resides in highsec, though I make my ISK in null and also explode a lot of ships there. But you got the sore spot ... from the bottom of her heart Tipa is a pirate, having no blues, being nobody's servant, free to roam everywhere, and honoring purples. So there is a price ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
528
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:35:57 -
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March rabbit wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:What is the most it can cost you? time which is money too
Or money, which is time - what is the point of this statement? I was asking on how much of either one could it be?
Time is money, but the comparison is irrelevant. Whatever it costs, the value will be minimal since he is already exerting effort playing the game anyway and expressed a meager desire to do something different... so... go fu@king do it.
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite
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Miko Valentine
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.03.11 02:02:25 -
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oh the high vs nullsec isk/hour bla incursion Argument. xD so Mr. incursion you do the 100m per hour solo? i thought so ^^ |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1085
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Posted - 2015.03.11 02:05:53 -
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Bel Tika wrote:Garnoo wrote:nullsec = social game, hisec = still mostly single player No really, the problem over the years was/is the mentality of the ppl that went to null ... ... up to this point I agree. I will take a newbie in a Venture who is willing to fight over a veteran miner with a Hulk and perfect refining skills any day.
I do PVP and mine + other stuff.
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
Status: Rabid carebear
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1664
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Posted - 2015.03.11 05:41:50 -
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Wraith Soulsark wrote:Gypsien Agittain wrote:Those of you that think that a regular line-member of an alliance makes more money in nullsec than an average highsec carebear know absolutely nothing about wealth generation in EVE.
you are 100% correct unless you are running anoms in a carrier your bounty ticks are not that much better than a lvl 4 mission add in the lp from said mission and you probably break even on that front. In addition to that you also get to spend a lot of the little time you will have to rat or otherwise earn non passive isk docked up because there is an asshat afk cloaky parked in your system put there by the what ever big alliance or coalition is your enemy because to them the price of a plex to fund that toon is a drop in a very very large bucket.
Fear not the afk cloakie! Fonzie's coming to the rescue!
He's going to remove local and make it all better. Well, actually, all he said was that it's a psychological issue, afk cloakie problem will be solved in a way ppl won't expect, and that afk cloakie is not a problem in whs, all in the same sentence.
So... think positive. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
293
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Posted - 2015.03.11 15:33:18 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay?
Because BRAVE.
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Agent Known
Night Theifs
41
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Posted - 2015.03.11 16:19:01 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay? On the EVE Down Under podcast CCP Fozzie pretty much said null has truck loads of ISK being made. Like a LOT! So don't believe all the babies crying that it is not worth living in null. It very much is worth it and once these new sov changes happen, it will be even better. Fozzies head has been largely shown to be up his ass on quite a few subjects lately. The only thing stopping me from dropping a dedicated alt into highsec incursions is the time and money it would take to train up a third account or plex up dual training. I view direct nullsec income generation (Ratting) to be a last ditch effort thing i do to make money. I didn't run imports for ages because rat isk was so good.
Well, a majority of the income from nullsec is moon goo. You can easily pull hundreds of billions a month with a network of towers and a few reaction farms.
And where does this ISK go? Ask your leaders. Sure, there's SRP and other "programs" like buybacks and such, but that's not the full story. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2746
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Posted - 2015.03.11 17:39:29 -
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Agent Known wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay? On the EVE Down Under podcast CCP Fozzie pretty much said null has truck loads of ISK being made. Like a LOT! So don't believe all the babies crying that it is not worth living in null. It very much is worth it and once these new sov changes happen, it will be even better. Fozzies head has been largely shown to be up his ass on quite a few subjects lately. The only thing stopping me from dropping a dedicated alt into highsec incursions is the time and money it would take to train up a third account or plex up dual training. I view direct nullsec income generation (Ratting) to be a last ditch effort thing i do to make money. I didn't run imports for ages because rat isk was so good. Well, a majority of the income from nullsec is moon goo. You can easily pull hundreds of billions a month with a network of towers and a few reaction farms. And where does this ISK go? Ask your leaders. Sure, there's SRP and other "programs" like buybacks and such, but that's not the full story.
To boldly go where no man has gone before ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6617
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:05:04 -
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Agent Known wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay? On the EVE Down Under podcast CCP Fozzie pretty much said null has truck loads of ISK being made. Like a LOT! So don't believe all the babies crying that it is not worth living in null. It very much is worth it and once these new sov changes happen, it will be even better. Fozzies head has been largely shown to be up his ass on quite a few subjects lately. The only thing stopping me from dropping a dedicated alt into highsec incursions is the time and money it would take to train up a third account or plex up dual training. I view direct nullsec income generation (Ratting) to be a last ditch effort thing i do to make money. I didn't run imports for ages because rat isk was so good. Well, a majority of the income from nullsec is moon goo. You can easily pull hundreds of billions a month with a network of towers and a few reaction farms. And where does this ISK go? Ask your leaders. Sure, there's SRP and other "programs" like buybacks and such, but that's not the full story. Can you go into more detail? This sounds interesting.
Please make sure to document said details for future reference.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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waltari
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
11
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:34:39 -
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Arronicus wrote: Highsec incursions in decent groups like ISN can pull 100m/hour reliably, with lower risk than similarly paying nullsec activities. As a very long time nullsec resident, the income is nowhere remotely close to 10x more. The only activity that is really safer in null than high is mining.
so that means a single paladin is making 6-15 times more in about 30-45 mins while doin 10/10, than any hisec incursion runner innit? |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
214
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:50:10 -
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I live in nullsec because I have fun there. Part of that is the people I choose to surround myself with. Part of it is the activities I choose to engage in.
If you're not having fun in null, then ffs go do something else.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
214
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:51:23 -
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flakeys wrote:Agent Known wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay? On the EVE Down Under podcast CCP Fozzie pretty much said null has truck loads of ISK being made. Like a LOT! So don't believe all the babies crying that it is not worth living in null. It very much is worth it and once these new sov changes happen, it will be even better. Fozzies head has been largely shown to be up his ass on quite a few subjects lately. The only thing stopping me from dropping a dedicated alt into highsec incursions is the time and money it would take to train up a third account or plex up dual training. I view direct nullsec income generation (Ratting) to be a last ditch effort thing i do to make money. I didn't run imports for ages because rat isk was so good. Well, a majority of the income from nullsec is moon goo. You can easily pull hundreds of billions a month with a network of towers and a few reaction farms. And where does this ISK go? Ask your leaders. Sure, there's SRP and other "programs" like buybacks and such, but that's not the full story. To boldly go where no man has gone before ...
No, I am pretty sure the train to crazy town stops in GD on a regular schedule.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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