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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:34:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:And I'm not kidding, this discussion was the exact same before dominion, with people (like goons) telling everyone "we will use this to make your game experience suck" and legions of short-sighted utopians on the other side proclaiming "this will be great, those big alliances are gonna get what's coming to them!!". [/quote] [Citation Needed]
Not to be ignored is Dominion sov was shipped unfinished due to CCP focusing heavy development on World of Darkness and Dust 514.
I'm serious. I really would like to see some legitimate links to some threads where the masses were chanting this will be the end of goons and goons saying Dominion sov will be terrible before it was released to Singularity and Tranquility. I'm always eager to learn and read up on these things. So please, link me some threads that support your claim. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
678
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:35:15 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:baltec is our fitting expert? You have several fleet fits named after the guy, sorry if I assumed too much, perhaps you have some others that might want to step up to the plate?
yeah our megathron fleet is named baltecfleet because baltec1 only ever flies megathrons in any sort of fleet regardless if it's a good idea to use a megathron or not
goons happen to love gimmicks more than most things (except food)
yeah this is just poor use of semantics in a shallow attempt to trip someone up, not valid sorry |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15465
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:36:02 -
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Eli Apol wrote:The TMC guest sov expert xttz contradicted himself within 2 posts, the CFC's fitting expert baltec got wrecked in a discussion about how trollceptors are going to outrun ships that are doing twice the speed of them...
Seems experience matters little in this discussion.
Yea, no such thing happened.
Want wrecked?
Just wait till we start injecting 10 man gangs of t3 destroyers fitted to avoid anything that can kill them but able to kill anything that can almost catch them.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
365
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:37:44 -
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baltec1 wrote:Yea, no such thing happened.
Want wrecked?
Just wait till we start injecting 10 man gangs of t3 destroyers fitted to avoid anything that can kill them but able to kill anything that can almost catch them. But trollceptors are still uncatchable right? You left me hanging on that one.
edit: Nice of you to catch up on the T3 dessie meta by the way - fortunately these can be bubbled as you'll be glad to hear.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1853
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:42:04 -
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baltec1 wrote: This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread.
This is wrong. The fact that you do not find the current, broken sov system interesting and worth getting invested in should not exclude you from commenting on the new system, which will hopefully repair some of that brokenness. Otherwise the only feedback will be from people who find the current system acceptable.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
108
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:49:48 -
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Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote: This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread.
This is wrong. The fact that you do not find the current, broken sov system interesting and worth getting invested in should not exclude you from commenting on the new system, which will hopefully repair some of that brokenness. Otherwise the only feedback will be from people who find the current system acceptable. ^^ Quoting for truth!
It is amusing to see current null bloc members cry their eyes out why there is no new blood in sov and the moment anyone that is not part of one of these super coalition blocs has an opinion on the matter they are told to shut up and should not be listened to. It is that kind of thinking that ruins any quality discussion on the matter. Having that kind of negative mentality is childish and doesn't help the conversation at all. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
679
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:50:04 -
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Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote: This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread.
This is wrong. The fact that you do not find the current, broken sov system interesting and worth getting invested in should not exclude you from commenting on the new system, which will hopefully repair some of that brokenness. Otherwise the only feedback will be from people who find the current system acceptable. at what point did we say the current system was acceptable |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6618
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:50:32 -
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Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote: This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread.
This is wrong. The fact that you do not find the current, broken sov system interesting and worth getting invested in should not exclude you from commenting on the new system, which will hopefully repair some of that brokenness. Otherwise the only feedback will be from people who find the current system acceptable. Oh so you're making excuses for not knowing now.
It's fine really, ccp will rather listen to you than evil cfc people anyway, just rant away about ending our 0.0 nightmare
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15465
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:52:50 -
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Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote: This is why people with zero experience with sov warfare should not be in this thread.
This is wrong. The fact that you do not find the current, broken sov system interesting and worth getting invested in should not exclude you from commenting on the new system, which will hopefully repair some of that brokenness. Otherwise the only feedback will be from people who find the current system acceptable.
When have we ever said we find the current situation acceptable?
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
365
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:55:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:When have we ever said we find the current situation acceptable? Sorry I had a question for you before you try and move onto another topic:
Are trollceptors uncatchable?
Yes/no
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15465
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Posted - 2015.03.11 21:58:32 -
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Eli Apol wrote: But trollceptors are still uncatchable right? You left me hanging on that one.
Flown right then yea, they will escape more than you can kill them. The point however, that you keep on missing, is that sov battles will become nothing but swarms of intercepters and other small fast ships build to avoid rather than fight. The end result being an even more boring sov system than tower bashing.
Eli Apol wrote: edit: Nice of you to catch up on the T3 dessie meta by the way - fortunately these can be bubbled as you'll be glad to hear.
What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates?
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
367
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:08:08 -
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baltec1 wrote:Eli Apol wrote: But trollceptors are still uncatchable right? You left me hanging on that one.
Flown right then yea Wrong. Even flown right they can be chased down and ruined by a 10km/s T3 dessie (much more with links and implants). edit: With LUCK they might get away if they have less than half of their entosis module cycle time remaining and are flown right.
baltec1 wrote:What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates? They can be bubbled when you try and trololol to the next system then. Or are you actually going to have a fight in that system? Does the proposed mechanic work in making you fight for grid dominance in your T3 dessie uberfit (which I'm sure there will be counters for as well)?
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:14:02 -
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baltec1 wrote:What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates? Oh, so you're going to bridge them in? Yea sure go ahead, light that cyno! Might as well send the defenders an email stating your intent to attack ahead of time.
But let's not get away from the issue at hand here, which is the Entosis Link fitted to specific ships...
Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up.
"Life is too short to drink cheap beer."
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Flaming Butterfly
Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion.
4
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:16:37 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5568555#post5568555
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15465
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:17:46 -
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Kristian Hackett wrote:baltec1 wrote:What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates? Oh, so you're going to bridge them in? Yea sure go ahead, light that cyno! Might as well send the defenders an email stating your intent to attack ahead of time. But let's not get away from the issue at hand here, which is the Entosis Link fitted to specific ships...
Wormholes. We use them more than titans these days.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15465
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:19:11 -
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Eli Apol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Eli Apol wrote: But trollceptors are still uncatchable right? You left me hanging on that one.
Flown right then yea Wrong. Even flown right they can be chased down and ruined by a 10km/s T3 dessie (much more with links and implants). edit: With LUCK they might get away if they have less than half of their entosis module cycle time remaining and are flown right. 2nd edit: Also remember that the defending team could quite feasibly start a stopwatch when the initial ping comes through and time their attack 2m01 afterwards = definitely dead ceptors. baltec1 wrote:What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates? They can be bubbled when you try and trololol to the next system then. Or are you actually going to have a fight in that system? Does the proposed mechanic work in making you fight for grid dominance in your T3 dessie uberfit (which I'm sure there will be counters for as well)?
Way to ignore yet again the entire point of the trollcepter and why its terrible.
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:19:31 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:baltec1 wrote:What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates? Oh, so you're going to bridge them in? Yea sure go ahead, light that cyno! Might as well send the defenders an email stating your intent to attack ahead of time. But let's not get away from the issue at hand here, which is the Entosis Link fitted to specific ships... Wormholes. We use them more than titans these days. Wormholes can be collapsed.
Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up.
"Life is too short to drink cheap beer."
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2735
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:20:47 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:baltec1 wrote:What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates? Oh, so you're going to bridge them in? Yea sure go ahead, light that cyno! Might as well send the defenders an email stating your intent to attack ahead of time. But let's not get away from the issue at hand here, which is the Entosis Link fitted to specific ships... Wormholes. We use them more than titans these days.
Lets focus on your earlier post where you ask for people to suggest ways to kill an interceptor
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
367
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:25:58 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmEwZ2JJOUk#t=1m11
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
773
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:26:07 -
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Eli Apol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Eli Apol wrote: But trollceptors are still uncatchable right? You left me hanging on that one.
Flown right then yea Wrong. Even flown right they can be chased down and ruined by a 10km/s T3 dessie (much more with links and implants). Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but oversized propmods kinda kill your agility don't they? All an inty has to do is turn left or right and the T3 will be severely penalized. |
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:27:08 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kristian Hackett wrote:baltec1 wrote:What makes you think they are going to be getting in via gates? Oh, so you're going to bridge them in? Yea sure go ahead, light that cyno! Might as well send the defenders an email stating your intent to attack ahead of time. But let's not get away from the issue at hand here, which is the Entosis Link fitted to specific ships... Wormholes. We use them more than titans these days. Lets focus on your earlier post where you ask for people to suggest ways to kill an interceptor I can answer that, in fact, I already did - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5573127#post5573127 Add in the Cruor and Garmur fits from here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5573252#post5573252
That interceptor isn't going to last long if it tries to maintain the link...
Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up.
"Life is too short to drink cheap beer."
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12111
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:27:09 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We do not intend to allow pure evasion tactics to become optimal.
Then make it disable prop mods on a ship activating it.
Evasion tactics will be optimal so long as they are possible. The solution is to make them impossible.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:29:19 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:We do not intend to allow pure evasion tactics to become optimal. Then make it disable prop mods on a ship activating it. Evasion tactics will be optimal so long as they are possible. The solution is to make them impossible. I have to agree here. You can disrupt a pure evasion fit, but you can't remove it from grid. Disable the prop mods - if the attacker wants to stick around they better be ready to fight (or soak a stupid amount of damage).
Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up.
"Life is too short to drink cheap beer."
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:30:23 -
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interceptors can be removed if you have a faster tackle, T3s would be a headache.
Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up.
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2655
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:30:35 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evasion tactics will be optimal so long as they are possible.
[Citation needed] |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
367
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:34:32 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but oversized propmods kinda kill your agility don't they? All an inty has to do is turn left or right and the T3 will be severely penalized. T3 dessie has an agility buff whilst in prop mode.
Ceptor has to change direction enough to make it out of OH scram range from something chasing it at double the speed.
*maybe* with superb manual pilotting he might manage it, whilst the chasing dessie only has to press approach - a well timed sling shot *might* work though, but could be countered by the dessie pilots skill.
Sounds like a fun or not so fun minute or two for the ceptor pilot at least.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12111
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:35:20 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evasion tactics will be optimal so long as they are possible.
[Citation needed]
Ever heard of these new things they have now, called people? People will always take the low road, they will always do as little as possible to get to their goals. It's really rather interesting.
Sarcasm aside, it's a binary equation. Either it's possible to capture sov by dicking around in a kiting ship, or it's not. If it is, then it's a damn sight easier than actually fighting for sov, so it will become the optimal assignment of resources.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
45
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:42:32 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but oversized propmods kinda kill your agility don't they? All an inty has to do is turn left or right and the T3 will be severely penalized. T3 dessie has an agility buff whilst in prop mode. Ceptor has to change direction enough to make it out of OH scram range from something chasing it at double the speed. *maybe* with superb manual pilotting he might manage it, whilst the chasing dessie only has to press approach - a well timed sling shot *might* work though, but could be countered by the dessie pilots skill. Sounds like a fun or not so fun minute or two for the ceptor pilot at least. Getting out of scram range will be difficult, especially if it's the Cruor that catches it. That frigate has a 20km web which would be more than enough to close the gap to lay on the scrambler and shut out the MWD. The ideal team is a Cruor with web and Garmur with a Warp Disruptor II fitted. 36km range on Warp Disruptor II (Garmur), 20km range on webs (Cruor), 13 km range on Warp Scrambler II (Garmur), and then the Cruor finishes the capture by sucking the Interceptor's capacitor dry.
Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
367
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:43:01 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evasion tactics will be optimal so long as they are possible.
[Citation needed] Ever heard of these new things they have now, called people? People will always take the low road, they will always do as little as possible to get to their goals. It's really rather interesting. Sarcasm aside, it's a binary equation. Either it's possible to capture sov by dicking around in a kiting ship, or it's not. If it is, then it's a damn sight easier than actually fighting for sov, so it will become the optimal assignment of resources. It's not binary. It depends on your local defensive resources.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2656
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:49:56 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Evasion tactics will be optimal so long as they are possible.
[Citation needed] Ever heard of these new things they have now, called people? People will always take the low road, they will always do as little as possible to get to their goals. It's really rather interesting. Sarcasm aside, it's a binary equation. Either it's possible to capture sov by dicking around in a kiting ship, or it's not. If it is, then it's a damn sight easier than actually fighting for sov, so it will become the optimal assignment of resources. That's a bunch of opinion, with no fact, and certainly no [citation].
But sarcasm aside, with their inabillity to warp off, troll cepters (especially those that are gimmick s*** fits that trade all their rigs and most of their mid slots for 110km lock range) will die in droves to Dramiels and Garmurs, as well as Rail Eagles and Tengus who can plink them down from 50km to 200km+ using Javelin, CN Antimatter, and CN Thorium.
Where you see a troll ceptor, I see a killmail. Where you see hundreds of gewns spreading across hundreds of systems, I see hundreds of killmails. And I like it, It's just that simple.
I've killed dozens of ceptors in a single day before, solo. I'd link proof here if it wouldn't get my post deleted by Ezwal. This isn't boasting, many people in this thread have reported similar experiences. Ceptors die.
Swarms of "unkillable" interceptors are a ~narrative~. A ~narrative~ that no one who knows what they're talking about is buying. I don't know how else to explain it to you. vOv |
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