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DHB WildCat
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:09:23 -
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You had a dev blog that showed "Battleships are being used" in pvp damage. Can we get that graph without damage done to structures please?
Thanks
to help this is in reference to your Feb 27th, 2015 dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/balance-changes-coming-in-scylla/?_ga=1.64124652.275548287.1420932288 |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7888
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:13:17 -
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My guess is that if you take away structure bashing, it will look something like this:
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Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20306
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:13:43 -
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That graph was all sorts of fail anyways, why revisit just THAT particular number?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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DHB WildCat
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
427
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:16:08 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:That graph was all sorts of fail anyways, why revisit just THAT particular number?
To prove that Battleships are hurting bad and grossly underused, in need of fixing |
Kestral Anneto
Bentusi Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:16:29 -
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CCP being clear with figures? You must be new here.
In all seriousness, they wont release that simply because its the only thing that supports there argument to not change BS's, my opinion, I'd gladly to be proven wrong. Also, while your at it CCP, filter out damage done at gatecamps. |
Paranoid Loyd
4079
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:20:05 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Also, while your at it CCP, filter out damage done at gatecamps. Talk about being new around here, how exactly do you propose this is done?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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DHB WildCat
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
427
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:22:44 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Also, while your at it CCP, filter out damage done at gatecamps. Talk about being new around here, how exactly do you propose this is done?
gate camp damage is fine, thats ship vs ship which is awesome.... pvp should be ship vs ship ...............not ship vs unmanned (meaning no player) structure |
Kestral Anneto
Bentusi Heavy Industries
61
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:23:53 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Also, while your at it CCP, filter out damage done at gatecamps. Talk about being new around here, how exactly do you propose this is done?
simply by taking the measuring time from when the ship damaged jumped into a system, if its within, say the time for gate cloak to go, you could safely assume it was in a gate camp. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
848
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:29:28 -
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Actually, I would like to see the graph without inclusion of smartbombs. Not all of us can do what Rooks and Kings do, and I would prefer that their tactics do not skew the results.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4104
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:53:12 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:You had a dev blog that showed "Battleships are being used" in pvp damage. Can we get that graph without damage done to structures please? If I could also add to the request: Breakdown of high, low, null and wormhole space.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Paranoid Loyd
4079
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:12:48 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Also, while your at it CCP, filter out damage done at gatecamps. Talk about being new around here, how exactly do you propose this is done? simply by taking the measuring time from when the ship damaged jumped into a system, if its within, say the time for gate cloak to go, you could safely assume it was in a gate camp. Every BS playing station games will be improperly classed. Every BS that warps to a close by belt/anomaly into a trap will be improperly classed. Every BS that is caught rolling a WH will be improperly classed. All hot-drops will be improperly classed. (Are we counting BLOPs in this?)
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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ISquishWorms
254
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:25:29 -
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If I want to prove that pigs can fly I am sure I could manipulate the figures to show that they can.
In the right hands (or is that wrong hands?) figures and statistics can be used to show and prove anything you wish them to.
GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ.
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stoicfaux
5493
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:30:31 -
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WTF? You have to include structure damage in the Battleships stats! The Damsel isn't going to free herself, you know.
Err.. wait, when you said PvP, you weren't referring to Pirates versus Princesses were you?
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
34627
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:31:24 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Actually, I would like to see the graph without inclusion of smartbombs. Not all of us can do what Rooks and Kings do, and I would prefer that their tactics do not skew the results.
When was the last time RnK smartbombed someone, like 2012 or something?
Certainly not for quite a while.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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stoicfaux
5493
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:32:30 -
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ISquishWorms wrote:If I want to prove that pigs can fly I am sure I could manipulate the figures to show that they can.
In the right hands (or is that wrong hands?) figures and statistics can be used to show and prove anything you wish them to. This is the EVE player base we're talking about. There are no "right" hands. At least not on the keyboards anyway...
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2666
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:05:39 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Actually, I would like to see the graph without inclusion of smartbombs. Not all of us can do what Rooks and Kings do, and I would prefer that their tactics do not skew the results.
When was the last time RnK smartbombed someone, like 2012 or something? Certainly not for quite a while.
RnK has been pipebombing far more recently than 2012. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:45:34 -
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Just goes to show you how quickly the undisciplined mind can leave the rails.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:14:48 -
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+1
That graph would have some kind of meaning if we took out structure grinds. Surely it's not that hard to do.
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Cancel Align NOW
Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society
476
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:24:07 -
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With the removal of most structures under the proposed sovereignty changes I suspect revisiting this set of statistics in December next year will paint a very different picture. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2129
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:10:17 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Also, while your at it CCP, filter out damage done at gatecamps. Talk about being new around here, how exactly do you propose this is done? check the logs to see if netflix or youtube is running. Should filter out all the data points we dont need. |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4812
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:36:32 -
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/signed, I'd like to see this data.
I don't feel battleships are currently suited to PVP anywhere except highsec (where marauders and rattlers are insane) and structure shooting when you do not expect resistance but are unwilling/unable to field capitals.
It's not that they have no niches, just that those niches are small.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2070
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:42:05 -
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Even in highsec their utility is limited. You can't catch anything in a battleship, you can't get anywhere quickly and most of them can't apply damage to anything smaller than a battlecruiser if it's competently flown.
Outside of the rare situations where you need to engage a 15-30 man kitchen sink fleet but only have 3 dudes online so you drop vindicators with logistics and for shooting structures battleships aren't even widely used in highsec.
Which is terrible because I have a ton of battleships. |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9074
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Posted - 2015.03.10 06:55:54 -
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You monster. |
Lachesiss
nomnomnom MOAR BABIES The Pursuit of Happiness
287
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Posted - 2015.03.10 08:27:38 -
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So i'm in a typhoon. Its new design is amazing. The output is amazing. I could go on for hours how good this ship is......
Then I realize I have just spent 2 hours aligning and jumping through 5 gates.
*facedesk*
On the third day after your birth myself and my sister's will come to you and decide your fate.
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Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2015.03.10 08:33:16 -
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Lachesiss wrote:So i'm in a typhoon. Its new design is amazing. The output is amazing. I could go on for hours how good this ship is...... Then I realize I have just spent 2 hours aligning and jumping through 5 gates. *facedesk*
Just wait until you start shooting at something. That's when I really want to start smashing my face into my desk. |
Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
6
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Posted - 2015.03.10 09:02:16 -
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As a Fairly new player to eve i was excited to get into a battleship when i initially started but after getting there i realised they are fairly useless outside of PVE.... i will occasionally see one in PvP but it usually dies or runs pretty quickly.... i have since dropped the idea of using a battleship myself and use cruisers..... the DPS isnt much worse and the speed is higher the only downside of this is the EHP tank on the battleship which in turn makes it a good PVE ship. |
Kestral Anneto
Bentusi Heavy Industries
62
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Posted - 2015.03.10 10:35:04 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:As a Fairly new player to eve i was excited to get into a battleship when i initially started but after getting there i realised they are fairly useless outside of PVE.... i will occasionally see one in PvP but it usually dies or runs pretty quickly.... i have since dropped the idea of using a battleship myself and use cruisers..... the DPS isnt much worse and the speed is higher the only downside of this is the EHP tank on the battleship which in turn makes it a good PVE ship.
This, if someone that is fairlyu new can see the problem with battleships, you have to wonder what CCP is thinkin, dont you? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15454
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Posted - 2015.03.10 10:54:50 -
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Just to point out, most structures are killed by dreads and cruisers so you would likely still not get the results you want to see.
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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2015.03.10 11:34:09 -
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What are you talking about?
I can see BS in PvP everywhere doing huge dps, ganking miners, ganking freighters, used extensively in mercs fleets, roaming low and null on small gang fleets, everywhere...
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
226
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:32:22 -
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Before this huge thing about going into small ships in the large battles it was tons of domis just sitting there with drones doing the damage as far as subcaps go, now the next big battle will simply be tons of ishtars all trying to speedtank each other while drones do all the damage.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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