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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.10 00:15:57 -
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I saw this on Deveshi Legate's EDU Gaming site and had to share. There's probably at least one other person around who hasn't seen it yet. Shooting through flying aluminum can pull rings and hitting arrows coming at you? Amazing.
Lars Andersen: a new level of archery
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Falken Falcon
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Posted - 2015.03.10 08:57:01 -
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When i saw this, ive been always watching in every movie and tv show how they handle their arrows. Everyone has been using bows and arrows the "wrong" way. Still waiting for a show/movie that shoots an arrow from the right side.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.10 18:19:40 -
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It was interesting that his arrows penetrated chainmail and a gambeson. I believe the goal of medieval armor was mostly just to try to protect against arrows. They didn't expect it to give much protection against a direct hit from a handheld weapon.
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.03.10 23:25:16 -
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shocking
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.11 00:36:17 -
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From what I know, albeit little, in medieval Europe the archers pined the arrow in the ground in front of them for easy access, then lobbed them at the advancing enemy. Archery techniques probably varied from region to region and age to age. The person in the video has a great skill with a curved bow mostly used in Asia, fantastic skill none the less. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.11 00:48:25 -
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The English longbowmen had their arrows lined up in a row in front of them, according to tradition, at least. They were specialized experts, able pull the equivalent of a huge spring, hold it steady, and accurately hit moving targets with it at long distances. (Targets a couple of football fields away). Even at that distance, their wooden arrows penetrated the highly expensive hand-forged plate armor of France's richest knights.
But that would be the kind of tail-end of the evolution of archery, and pretty specialized. Mr. Lars's version makes sense for earlier times. Mounted Huns, early samurai archers using bows as their primary weapon from horseback-- it makes sense that they'd be using that kind of very quick draw and shoot technique he shows.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.11 04:02:56 -
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zen-Art-Archery-Training-Become/dp/0140190740
I have shot with both a recurve and compound bows (modern bows). When shooting targets I would use a metal peg with a hoop that I would stab into the ground and then put rest my arrows in. I did find quivers too cumbersome.
I went culling impala where we all had compound bows; had some tunnel vision, as I was so focused on my target. I do not know how we selected, perhaps it was the way we lined up, we just picked from there. Roughly, 40-50 meters away, we fired. My victim was grazing, lifted its head and flicked its ears then went back to grazing. I guess it had heard the arrows and the nerve endings were cleanly cut. Then my awareness widened again as they all feel over dead, not one of them ran at all, none were injured and dragged themselves away it. It might have been a fluke. It was the only time I went culling. My arrow went in between two ribs, through the heart and out a rib higher on the other side and into a tree.
I think twits with rifles should be banned. Skilled archers are far more humane.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.11 06:42:49 -
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This is pretty much Star Wars Kid.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:34:54 -
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It's a nice archery showman. Of course archery as a combat technique had the little downside of being minced to bits by anyone with a blade once you ran out of arrows...
...in just 1.5 seconds.
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Deveshi Legate
EDU Gaming Traders
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Posted - 2015.03.11 18:38:29 -
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It is a great video I can only wonder how many hours where spent practicing to get that good lol.
Talking about putting arrows on the ground in front of you, you are right in associating that with the long bow. You're also right in saying that archery was different depending on location and time...
The long bow and similar styles came about later on around the medieval era and can be thought of as either the snipers of the time or kind of like artillery vs infantry. You've all seen this in the movies with rows of archers stood in ranks and it's quite probable that arrows were loaded on the left side in these cases as speed was not so much of an issue. The thing about loading the arrow on the left means that you don't need to stick your thumb out to support the arrow shaft meaning you have a tighter grip on the bow and can pull a heavier weight (better range).
On the other hand, loading on the right can dramatically decrease the loading time as seen in the video and is ideal for skirmishing.
Talking about armour you mentioned about chainmail. Chainmail was only really effective against slashing trauma and was designed to cause glancing blows. Unfortunately for many, arrows were still a bit problem. You can see examples of some swords that were designed to counter chainmail such as the rapier which was great at getting between the links of the chainmail and into the meaty bits. The best thing they had to protect against arrows during the medieval era was plate mail but this used a lot of iron (an expensive commodity at the time) so could only really be afforded by nobility. For most the only real option was don't stand in the way of an oncoming arrow!
We have another article looking at armour in England during the period of the War of the Roses. Take a look if you're interested:
https://www.edu-gaming.com/game-based-learning-library/reality/history/armour-of-the-war-of-the-roses
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DaReaper
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Posted - 2015.03.11 19:49:43 -
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I took archery for a bit in high school pe (we got to chose our activity every few weeks) i always found it cumbersome and strange to pull the arrow with my right hand and place it on the left side. then either draw right or left. and found it odder, that anyone would really hole the arrow that way and risk cutting up parts of the hand, as opposed to doing it on the right and only really risk the thumb.
But tis been a few years and i migth have my mental picture off on holding the bow. The video tech seems more natural
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.11 19:49:47 -
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Deveshi Legate wrote:... The thing about loading the arrow on the left means that you don't need to stick your thumb out to support the arrow shaft meaning you have a tighter grip on the bow and ... I haven't fired historical bows but modern ones you don't want to hold the bow. You make a Y with your palm then wear a strap from your wrist between your middle fingers and around the bow so you don't drop it.
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Mizhir
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2015.03.11 22:31:57 -
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Denmark \o/
Great insigt on how old knowledge can be forgotten due to new technology. I think I have heard about it before, but it was still interesting.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zen-Art-Archery-Training-Become/dp/0140190740 I have shot with both a recurve and compound bows (modern bows). When shooting targets I would use a metal peg with a hoop that I would stab into the ground and then put rest my arrows in. I did find quivers too cumbersome. I went culling impala where we all had compound bows; had some tunnel vision, as I was so focused on my target. I do not know how we selected, perhaps it was the way we lined up, we just picked from there. Roughly, 40-50 meters away, we fired. My victim was grazing, lifted its head and flicked its ears then went back to grazing. I guess it had heard the arrows and the nerve endings were cleanly cut. Then my awareness widened again as they all feel over dead, not one of them ran at all, none were injured and dragged themselves away it. It might have been a fluke. It was the only time I went culling. My arrow went in between two ribs, through the heart and out a rib higher on the other side and into a tree. I think twits with rifles should be banned. Skilled archers are far more humane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4
I have always found archery fascinating and I did some practice at my early teen years. Hunting with bow is one of the ultimate skills that I really admire.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:45:55 -
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My hero of that video is using the bow like a quick-fire short-range sidearm. Which was the way plains Indian bison hunters used them. I'd guess horse archers around the ancient world did the same. Get close and thwack the target hard.
Archery is a lot harder than it looks, really. I did kyudo in Japan, and it was much like setting your body up to be a precision launching machine. Very similar to what golfers try to do-- perfect stance, perfect pendulum motion so the ball flies straight and far. Kyudo has an additional aspect of working on mind perfection and emotional well-being... but that's another topic. The point is, archery isn't as easy as it looks. It's not just aim and launch. A new archer can be surprised about the spectacularly horrible results.
This might be one reason why: Straight-as-an-arrow arrows actually fly in waveforms. Put a sudden energy on a linear object, the energy moves in rebounding waves. Could be a guitar string, could be a skyscraper, could be an arrow. That thing doesn't fly as straight as an arrow, it swims a wiggly arc, with aero forces involved also.
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Badel Jramodarr
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Posted - 2015.03.12 07:38:54 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: That thing doesn't fly as straight as an arrow 'Straight as an arrow' refers to the straightness of the arrow itself, not it's flight.
Yay, archery -o} ....... - ....... O
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.12 12:06:48 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:... The point is, archery isn't as easy as it looks. It's not just aim and launch. A new archer can be surprised about the spectacularly horrible results. ... I have no shared experience of that to empathise.
First time I shot a bow it was a 20 lbs recurve from 20 meters. A guy called Steven was coaching me. I had been left alone with him and his girl friend. I wandered up to the target to pull my arrows and he yelled at me to stop. I was confused and stopped but didn't know what to do. Then he starts yelling for his girlfriend, "Kelly! Kelly! Come look at this!" (She was buy the pick up truck of theirs 100 or so meters away at the other end of the range.) She walks down slowly. My arrows are not even in the scoring area of the target, I am still puzzled and getting a bit embarrassed, I just want to pull out my arrows, go up to the club house and call my mum to get out of there as quick as I can. Steven, "Look at that grouping!" Kelly, "How many rounds?" Steven, "Their first" Kelly, "Really?!" I am thinking, "What are these freaking weirdos jabbering about? Is this some sort of prank? Why are they staring at the arrows with such fascination?"
Turns out I am a natural and had put my arrows into a 1 inch diameter grouping. All I had to do with the rounds after that was get my sights sorted out and I was planting mostly bull's eye after bull's eye until I got tired from the unsual strain on my muscles.
Pretty useless skill. I haven't fired a bow in almost a decade, my eye sight is going down the drain fast and it doesn't transfer to other things. I am worse than useless with a rifle or hand gun. Was told it is because with a bow you fire with your body but with guns it is more hand eye and I lack the fine motor neuron ability for such fine adjustments.
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