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BlackD3ath Spanski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 06:02:19 -
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I've been playing for a little over a month now, i have a brutix, that is a full month away from being trained properly for the build i want to go
I have an industrial ship that hulls ore
I have a venture i just afk mine with.. while i play other games waiting the 4 days for my industry level 5 upgrade and mining barge upgrade level 1 to be complete so i can get a retriever and afk farm with THAT for another month until my brutix can be built properly
My question is, is there another way of making big bucks.. that im capable of doing right now? with what i have, or something that is funner perhaps.. or am i stuck with waiting to get this retriever in 4 days.. then mining AGAIN for another month until I can do level 3 security missions in my brutix?
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:00:01 -
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Word of advice: If you AFK mine with a retriever (especially after having announced it), you will have it blown up. Probably long before it's paid itself off
Mining is terrible ISK. If you enjoy mining, go ahead. If you don't, then remove all mining-related skills from your skill queue now. You are not required to mine ever.
Missions aren't bad. Sure, level 2 is low ISK, but it's possibly better than mining is. Also try exploration. If you haven't done the Sisters of EVE epic arc, run that. If you want some PVP in your ISK-making, look at factional warfare. If you like spreadsheets and numbers, try station trading.
What are your goals for the game? Lowsec, small gang PVP? Nullsec fleets? Other? |
BlackD3ath Spanski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:06:38 -
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I would never announce it in-game! so i hope that helps, and i'm always in high-sec so I don't think i have to worry right? i'm just mining plagioclase anyway..
I'm only mining in the tremendous amounts of time its going to take to use my brutix armor tanking build just to do level 3 MAYBE 4 missions if its possible?
thats the only route i see right now, where is the huge amount of isk people talk about in the game you know, i dont really have a goal, whatever makes me rich would be fun, so quickest way to that would be great.
and yeah i did the EVE arc and picked gallente for it etc.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1626
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:14:30 -
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BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:I would never announce it in-game!
You just did! (or do you think that these forums are completely separate from the game and that no one here actually plays EVE?)
Quote:i'm always in high-sec so I don't think i have to worry right?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Google: suicide ganking
Seriously, by saying you plan to AFK mine, I suspect somewhere around 10 people have already put you on a watch list with a plan to blow your retriever up
Quote:I'm only mining in the tremendous amounts of time
If you don't enjoy mining, then STOP #$#%%^^ mining! You will hate it, you will come to hate the game (especially after several retrievers blow up) and you will quit
Quote:thats the only route i see right now, where is the huge amount of isk people talk about in the game you know
Mining and 'huge amount of ISK' don't belong in the same sentence. Mining is very, very, very low income, especially with low skills. Seriously, just stop now and take the skills out of your skill queue (unless you actually do enjoy mining, which is not the impression I get)
Highsec exploration is probably better, even though it's random. Lowsec exploration is almost certainly better. Almost anything in fact is better than mining (especially if you keep getting retrievers ganked)
As for a goal, lots of ISK isn't really a long-term goal. What do you plan to do with that ISK? |
Commander Cute
Capsuleer Retirement Home
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:22:42 -
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BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:I would never announce it in-game! so i hope that helps, and i'm always in high-sec so I don't think i have to worry right? i'm just mining plagioclase anyway..
Catalyst soon coming to a system near you. |
BlackD3ath Spanski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:25:14 -
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how do i erase this thread haha |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1626
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:29:10 -
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You don't. *evil grin* You can report it (the flag button to the right of the date in the message header) and ask the mod to lock it, but that's it.
One of the principles of EVE: Actions have consequences
My advice about not mining isn't because of the ganking (I still mine from time to time), it's because it can be incredibly boring and if you don't enjoy some process of watching a ship chew through asteroids it's likely to make you want to (or actually do) quit the game.
There's a large diagram showing piles of options on what to do in EVE. Find something you enjoy and ISK will follow from there. It's a game, it's meant to be fun, not a boring grind. |
BlackD3ath Spanski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:31:12 -
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and besides, how do people knowing my name make them find me in game?.. out of all the systems there is... like what
and why would it be worth it to blow up a retriever.. mining plagio in high sec, that just seems silly, the ship wreckage wouldnt be worth much would it? AND the ore is basic and useless.. or are people just bored besides, every belt u go to in high sec there is a retriever there all the time... rather annoying that i would even be worried
also, great forums where they don't have an erase button...
That's almost as bad as salvage drones not spreading out to different targets automatically and all just going for the 1 ship closest at a time. |
Commander Cute
Capsuleer Retirement Home
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:33:22 -
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BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:and besides, how do people knowing my name make them find me in game?.. out of all the systems there is... like what
There is such a thing as locator agents. I have also forwarded this thread to a fellow CODE. agent and you should have received a mail from him by now.
Good day. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1626
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Posted - 2015.03.13 07:46:12 -
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BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:and besides, how do people knowing my name make them find me in game?.. out of all the systems there is... like what
The system you are currently in (at the time I write this post) starts with the letter G and you are docked at a station orbiting planet 1 of that system.
It is absolutely trivial to locate people in this game.
Quote:or are people just bored
Yup, it's not about value. It's because they can. And it's not about whether there's a retriever, it's about mining AFK. There are groups that dislike AFK play. If you're paying attention to your mining barge, you'll see people coming, you have plenty of time to react and dock or change system, etc If you have the game minimised, or are playing something else, or are out of the room, you won't see it coming.
EVE is a PVP game. Yes, there are PVE aspects to it, but at it's heart it's a PVP game. No matter what you're doing, you're competing against other players in some way and other players can compete with you in almost any way they see fit (within the bounds of the game's rules).
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.13 09:49:43 -
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Commander Cute wrote:BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:and besides, how do people knowing my name make them find me in game?.. out of all the systems there is... like what
There is such a thing as locator agents. I have also forwarded this thread to a fellow CODE. agent and you should have received a mail from him by now. Good day.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.13 09:55:35 -
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BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:and besides, how do people knowing my name make them find me in game?.. out of all the systems there is... like what
and why would it be worth it to blow up a retriever.. mining plagio in high sec, that just seems silly, the ship wreckage wouldnt be worth much would it? AND the ore is basic and useless.. or are people just bored besides, every belt u go to in high sec there is a retriever there all the time... rather annoying that i would even be worried
also, great forums where they don't have an erase button...
That's almost as bad as salvage drones not spreading out to different targets automatically and all just going for the 1 ship closest at a time.
no people like commander cute over there are terrible at pvp so they have to pick targets who dont have any guns or much knowledge of the game, it makes them feel like they are achieving something when really they just sound pathetic. dont pay a mining permit because its just a scam.
salvage drones will automatically salvage if you dont lock any wrecks and just click slavage
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kira1kuna
HC - killer chibi bears
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:03:25 -
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salvaging missions that's what I see so far around 30~75 million in the period of two hours
find a good group of people are okay with you salvaging their crap |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3472
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:29:08 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:There's a large diagram showing piles of options on what to do in EVE. Find something you enjoy and ISK will follow from there. It's a game, it's meant to be fun, not a boring grind. Here it is.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:45:48 -
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Lesson learned OP: this forum is a very vital part of the game.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Warmonger Simon
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2015.03.13 12:27:59 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Word of advice: Mining is terrible ISK.
Just a note gas mining venture pays for itself pretty quick and is decent ISK if you really want to mine. Need to learn some scanning skills though. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1120
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Posted - 2015.03.13 12:30:31 -
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Since I don't know what your original post was, I'll just throw out some general tips that seem related based on the responses so far:
- Eve is a PvP game first and foremost. It is a universe full of people who want nothing more than to watch you explode and they all know what they're doing better than you do. And these bloodthirsty SOB's will use every bit of intel they can find in pursuit of said explosion. There are a lot of tools, both in game and out, that will help them find you and blow you up. And there is no "safe" place in the game except docked up in a station. A major feature of Eve is that anyone, any time, anywhere, for any reason can kill you. It's just a matter of how.
- Having said all that, explosions are ok! Again, this is a PvP game at it's core, so you're going to have to be ok with the idea of someone interrupting you while you mind your own business and giving you a big ole hug filled with ammunition. Don't take it personally. Losing a ship can be a set back, sure, especially when your just starting out. But being able to laugh it off, dust yourself off, and rebuild from your losses is a key part of enjoying this game.
- About that "intel" thing: Everything you do related to Eve can and probably is being watched by someone else. Your market activity in game, posting on the forums, your killboard, etc. These are all things that raise your public profile in Eve and make it more likely that someone will notice you and try to kill you. Does that mean you should avoid all social interaction and be a hermit just spinning your ship in station? Of course not! Just be aware, information is valuable and only you can control what information is out there.
- As to the original question in the thread title, mining is not very good isk per hour. It is relatively EASY isk per hour, and the skill and time investments are very low, and mining in high sec is relatively low risk (providing you aren't AFK and know when to bail out). However, the same "low skill" benefit can be found in things like exploration and ratting in lowsec, but those will come with a considerable jump in risk. Alternatively, running missions can eventually start to pay out very well once you reach higher end missions, but the time investment of grinding up to those can seem daunting. There are numerous other ways of making ISK, each with it's own levels of risk and challenge. The key is to find ways to make isk that you either enjoy or otherwise fit in to your overall playstyle. Once you've gotten that out of the way, the money will come.
Good luck out there, fly safe (or reckless!), have fun, and remember that it's all just internet space pixels. Cheers!
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
430
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:18:20 -
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This is eve there is no best way there is only your way and someone else's way. You can find out what your way is by trying different stuff. You will be able to tell the things that are closer to your way as they will be fun. |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
251
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Posted - 2015.03.13 19:28:02 -
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RE: OP topic
at this point I would probably go with the 'endear yourself to those who blow you up and have them shower you in newbie isk for being a fun target' strategy. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5967
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Posted - 2015.03.13 19:55:02 -
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I cant help it...
But I have the feeling this is a player from "That other game that shall not be named".
Welcome to EVE, where EVERY action matters and you have to live with all the consequences...
As you might already have found out.
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Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
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Posted - 2015.03.13 21:28:07 -
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I think it took me only a couple of weeks to realise that, if I need minerals for whatever purpose I could:
1) Mine it 2) Spend the same time as i spent mining doing any other activity, and use the ISK gained to buy the ore from sell orders in a horribly overpriced system.
Option 2 gets me more minerals and more ISK.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1124
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Posted - 2015.03.14 00:36:41 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote:I think it took me only a couple of weeks to realise that, if I need minerals for whatever purpose I could:
1) Mine it 2) Spend the same time as i spent mining doing any other activity, and use the ISK gained to buy the ore from sell orders in a horribly overpriced system.
Option 2 gets me more minerals and more ISK.
Option 1 is infinitely easier to do whilst drunk and talking to corpies.
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BlackD3ath Spanski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.14 02:59:15 -
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Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way
Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side
And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time
Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. |
Sophie Mahler
Hedion University Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2015.03.14 07:55:02 -
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natural selection
if someone's stupid enough to fall for stuff like that, eve will be HARD (although, still not impossible to enjoy eventually, it all depends on how one handles failure)
we shouldn't try to defend anyone from themselves because failure is how we grow. If we prevent failures, we prevent growth.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4830
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Posted - 2015.03.14 09:24:22 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Trevor Dalech wrote:I think it took me only a couple of weeks to realise that, if I need minerals for whatever purpose I could:
1) Mine it 2) Spend the same time as i spent mining doing any other activity, and use the ISK gained to buy the ore from sell orders in a horribly overpriced system.
Option 2 gets me more minerals and more ISK.
Option 1 is infinitely easier to do whilst drunk and talking to corpies.
If I was drunk, mining, and my corpmates knew it, they'd shoot me themselves.
OP: I'm one of those 'bad gankers'.
I'm a firm believer in making sure newbies learn lessons but are insulated from the worst setbacks their reckless actions could cause. As a result, I'm not going to hunt you down in game over this thread. But, if it wasn't in the newbie section of the forums, I might have.
The reason mining is bad ISK is because you are competing with both actual bots, and players running large numbers of accounts via EULA-compliant methods. Because mining requires so little human input they can run 20, 30 or even more accounts at once. You can't compete with that.
On the flip side, methods of making ISK that require attention and/or specialized knowledge will make you much more ISK. Look for one of those that you enjoy.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5967
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Posted - 2015.03.14 12:41:47 -
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BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY.
A. Natural selection. EVE isn't made for "the general 12 yo gamer", so why would it have to change so they can play it. It is not their intended audience.
B. EVE and realism....REALLY
C. You CAN spread your drones, it's actually very easy to do that. Only lazy people who don't research how stuff work have all 5 drones on 1 wreck.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.14 13:09:24 -
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J'Poll wrote:BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. A. Natural selection. EVE isn't made for "the general 12 yo gamer", so why would it have to change so they can play it. It is not their intended audience. B. EVE and realism....REALLY C. You CAN spread your drones, it's actually very easy to do that. Only lazy people who don't research how stuff work have all 5 drones on 1 wreck.
but is spreading you drones out more efficient? i mean having 1 drone per wreck or having 5 per wreck is just going to be the same amount of time involved in salvaging, 1 wreck will take 1 drone longer than 5 drones on 1 wreck but the 1 drone per 5 wrecks will salvage 5 wrecks in the same time as 5 drones will salvage 5 wrecks?
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.14 14:42:34 -
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J'Poll wrote:I cant help it...
But I have the feeling this is a player from "That other game that shall not be named".
Welcome to EVE, where EVERY action matters and you have to live with all the consequences...
As you might already have found out. I agree as well as with the 12 YO comment not in a harsh judgmental way but in a helpful way.
BlackD3ath Spanski wrote: because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way
The following post should be required reading for all players coming from (insert unmentionable game name here). Eve is a very different game and that falcon post pretty much sums it up. Eve has been around longer than (insert unmentionable game name here) and unlike most other MMOs is not trying to become (insert unmentionable game name here). It is a game for an older audience and many younger players come here and don't get it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4972885#post4972885
BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. This shows to me that you just do not understand eve. As far as realistic from a game mechanic stand point eve is probably the most realistic game out there. From an RPG standpoint ya maybe not so realistic.
We have a market economy that is player built and in game your reputation follows you and your actions have consequences. Salvage drones have not been around long and when CCP does even little tiny things like what you are talking about here there are huge ramifications that reverberate throughout all of New Eden. When you make something like salvaging significantly easier you do damage to a profession that has already been nerfed repeatedly which is the professional mission clean up services.
This is not a game where you are the hero and everything is handed to you. This is a game where you have to earn everything your self. I mean I guess they could make it so that you could just run back from the graveyard and jump back in your spaceship to make you happy, or you could just go back to (insert unmentionable game name here).
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5969
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Posted - 2015.03.14 14:44:19 -
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Lan Wang wrote:J'Poll wrote:BlackD3ath Spanski wrote:Well what a pleasant experience, and yeah someone tried to scam me with a mail that said I needed a permit to fly a retriever and he could get me started right away.. good god, the only people to fall for this would be inexperienced gamers, or really young players, which is a shame because the EvE community would be massive if new players weren't treated so harshly and with such disrespect, is that an aspect of the game that makes it great? no, and it doesn't have to be that way Wont change though i'm sure, haha.. anywho, i'm glad people can find me from forums, and know exactly where I am, that is fascinating but also unrealistic at the same time for a game that strives to be more on the realistic side And what i meant by the salvage drones was, i will be surrounded by 30 wrecks, send them out, and they will go 1 wreck at a time instead of spreading out saving us a massive amount of time Very easily applications could be put into this game making it have more realistic systems, as if a capsuleer wouldn't have the option to have his drones spread out to different wrecks to save time and salvage more efficiently, need to put that option in the game, and it would be relatively EASY. A. Natural selection. EVE isn't made for "the general 12 yo gamer", so why would it have to change so they can play it. It is not their intended audience. B. EVE and realism....REALLY C. You CAN spread your drones, it's actually very easy to do that. Only lazy people who don't research how stuff work have all 5 drones on 1 wreck. but is spreading you drones out more efficient? i mean having 1 drone per wreck or having 5 per wreck is just going to be the same amount of time involved in salvaging, 1 wreck will take 1 drone longer than 5 drones on 1 wreck but the 1 drone per 5 wrecks will salvage 5 wrecks in the same time as 5 drones will salvage 5 wrecks?
Well, salvage success is a RNG system, so most likely, in the long run, it will balance out.
I've had success with the alt and 1 drone cracked a couple of wrecks on first or second cycle. But also had it running for a while unsuccesful.
Point still stands that what the OP requests, is already in place. If it's better / faster...I don't know as I usually don't salvage at all.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5970
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Posted - 2015.03.14 14:46:53 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:J'Poll wrote:I cant help it...
But I have the feeling this is a player from "That other game that shall not be named".
Welcome to EVE, where EVERY action matters and you have to live with all the consequences...
As you might already have found out. I agree as well as with the 12 YO comment not in a harsh judgmental way but in a helpful way.
Meant as a figure of speech.
I know a couple of very early teenage players in EVE that are great to speak with. I know a bunch of "adults" that got stuck in their pre-teen years (including tantrums when things don't go their way).
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