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Erik Kalkoken
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
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Posted - 2015.03.13 21:28:06 -
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I like this project and support it !!
Looking forward to the results. |
21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.13 21:28:49 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:21217197 wrote:The poor definition provided for griefing is a common complaint, it'll be one of the things mentioned in the full paper.
I meant a more colloquial use of the term - eg bumping a freighter so it can't warp in highsec for extended periods of time could be considered griefing by the freighter pilot, though is not griefing under the EULA as far as I understand (depending on how you justify it) Fair enough on what you meant. Clearly though there is a defined policy on grief play. Straying outside that use is obviously going to lead to misunderstanding, especially where the survey doesn't explain that. It's clear, this survey was written by someone with English as a first language, but delivered to a community comprising many people who have English as a second or third language. I won't quote all the examples here because you don't want the questions quoted, however use of colloquial english terms like 'shrink from', using double negatives and some of the word choices might be difficult for other people to interpret and understand in the same way that you wrote them.
Indeed, the sample is going to be skewed entirely towards those that speak English, which is unfortunate. Were it not for the pressing matter of time constraints I'd have attempted to have it translated into a few other popular languages. Ideally it would have been expressed in terms of griefing (breaking the EULA) and griefing (without breaking the EULA), which is admittedly harder to define. |
Francis Inch
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.13 21:29:25 -
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21217197 wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Question 15 is ridiculous.
Show me where the EULA allows you to intentionally cause someone distress? The poor definition provided for griefing is a common complaint, it'll be one of the things mentioned in the full paper. I meant a more colloquial use of the term - eg bumping a freighter so it can't warp in highsec for extended periods of time could be considered griefing by the freighter pilot, though is not griefing under the EULA as far as I understand (depending on how you justify it)
I would argue that people only complain griefing is poorly defined when they want to do something they know would cause harm or distress to the player not the character. It's used by players to justify why they sometimes act like complete tools.
I would also like to note there are some questions I found difficult to answer because I did not feel they were clearly worded.
For example, with a stolen POS password.
If it is stolen by spying as a member of the group - this is permitted and I believe it is acceptable.
If it is stolen by accounting hacking, keylogger or other genuine real life act of theft or computer misuse, I do not believe this is acceptable.
The lines are more clearly drawn in your later questions, but something that I found harder to read your intent in the questions around the middle of the survey. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 22:08:23 -
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You should invite Goons, and the entire C&P community to participate, for more flavour.
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21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.13 22:11:42 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:You should invite Goons, and the entire C&P community to participate, for more flavour.
Goons are more than welcome, and readily invited to take part :) |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
666
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Posted - 2015.03.13 22:15:05 -
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Lumping Plex price manipulation with RMT... what!
I do see the two as entirely different.
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21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.13 22:23:39 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Lumping Plex price manipulation with RMT... what!
I do see the two as entirely different.
Also mixing up positive and negative statements one after another could lead to some false answers.
They formed a short section of actions that had financial motivations.
By positive/negative statements you mean
"One should blah blah"
followed by
"One should not blah blah"?
If so, this was done to avoid giving the impression that there is a right or wrong answer. Beginning every question/statement positively could be viewed as leading |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
666
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Posted - 2015.03.13 22:27:19 -
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Well, goons would do organized scamming, price manipulations, but murder their own if they were found botting or selling isk.
We love the game and the freedom it gives us. We want to ruin YOUR game, not the game itself. No one wants to play a bad game. It would be a terrible game if botting or isk selling were rampant. Or if some very vague out-of-game lines were crossed.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.13 22:31:11 -
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21217197 wrote:Indeed, the sample is going to be skewed entirely towards those that speak English, which is unfortunate. Were it not for the pressing matter of time constraints I'd have attempted to have it translated into a few other popular languages. Ideally it would have been expressed in terms of griefing (breaking the EULA) and griefing (without breaking the EULA), which is admittedly harder to define. Translation isn't necessarily required and often just creates more work.
Using formal, plain English is often enough.
When people learn a second language, it starts as formal language and often stops there unless they have the opportunity to practice often, where conversational language gets picked up very quickly. Colloquial language takes a long time and technical language applies only in specific situations.
So just writing questions in formal, plain English will be much easier to understand by people who have ESL, even if they don't regularly speak English.
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Josef Djugashvilis
2915
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Posted - 2015.03.13 23:21:07 -
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Kamahl Daikun wrote:Pretty neat questionnaire. I feel like some of the questions should have a neutral option, however.
This ^^^
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Marsha Mallow
2017
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Posted - 2015.03.14 01:34:06 -
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Tbf to the OP he's an undergrad and your dissertation is meant to be a learning process. Lay off a bit. I'm prepping my dissertation proposal atm, and it's not easy :P If he's a regular student you're slapping someone 3 years out of sixth form. It's always worth keeping in mind, especially since some of you have kids that age. No offense OP, but there have been postgrad surveys put up which look like they were drafted by a drooling 3 year old, and yours isn't that bad by comparison.
Some of the questions looked a bit iffy and fall into some of the more obvious 'griefer' bias traps, but without a degree in EvE it's hard to create a really comprehensive survey. All players have biases. It's more worrying to see a teenager post an encyclopedic knowledge of EvE then utterly **** up their survey at write up. Even worse when they demonstrate massive social incompetence and can't respond appropriately to critique.
Carry on anyway, sorry for mumying you OP but my fellow students are all quite daft and I'm not allowed to push them in the lake or clip em round the ear
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence.
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21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.14 14:27:02 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Tbf to the OP he's an undergrad and your dissertation is meant to be a learning process. Lay off a bit. I'm prepping my dissertation proposal atm, and it's not easy :P If he's a regular student you're slapping someone 3 years out of sixth form. It's always worth keeping in mind, especially since some of you have kids that age. No offense OP, but there have been postgrad surveys put up which look like they were drafted by a drooling 3 year old, and yours isn't that bad by comparison. Some of the questions looked a bit iffy and fall into some of the more obvious 'griefer' bias traps, but without a degree in EvE it's hard to create a really comprehensive survey. All players have biases. It's more worrying to see a teenager post an encyclopedic knowledge of EvE then utterly **** up their survey at write up. Even worse when they demonstrate massive social incompetence and can't respond appropriately to critique. Carry on anyway, sorry for mumying you OP but my fellow students are all quite daft and I'm not allowed to push them in the lake or clip em round the ear
You are an oasis in the desert, Marsha Mallow :P |
21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:52:30 -
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As a reminder to anyone that may still wish to take part, data collection will cease on March 17th |
Kash
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Posted - 2015.03.15 20:56:46 -
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21217197 wrote:Laws are also, strictly speaking, abritrary abstract concepts, we simply have societal constructs in place that reinforce things that we have decided should be so. Here you have a real conclusion that you can take away from all this.
It is the absence, not of personal consequence (conscience), but of authority, that allows predatory behavior to flourish in EVE Online. Other MMOs have severely restricted predatory activity to PvP combat, but here no such restrictions exist. And since EVE is only a game, it is no wonder that criminality is both rampant and even respected.
I personally think this is wonderful. EVE is a dangerous place, sometimes because of me, and sometimes because of others. This paradigm adds depth. It colors the environment. It makes this game, and us, different. |
21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.17 03:58:29 -
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Hey guys, data collection ends today. I'd love to make one last push before the survey comes down - I've had just under two thousand responses from players. This has been overwhelmingly well received so far and I can't wait to have a look at what the data says! |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.17 04:58:45 -
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21217197 wrote:Hey guys, data collection ends today. I'd love to make one last push before the survey comes down - I've had just under two thousand responses from players. This has been overwhelmingly well received so far and I can't wait to have a look at what the data says!
I bet if we goonrush you with ten thousand cfc, your data would break.
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21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.17 05:04:08 -
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It's possible, but provided it was real data and not an attempt to break it for the sake of breaking it with random non-entries that'd be fine :p Though I would urge people to remember this is a real assignment, and how people respond to this questionnaire will affect my life - my degree depends on the successful completion of my dissertation. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.03.17 05:31:01 -
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Done and didn't take long at all tbh.
Good luck with your studies, OP.
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21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.17 05:32:34 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Done and didn't take long at all tbh. Good luck with your studies, OP.
Thanks! Spread the word! Data collection ends in a few hours, so I'm busy annoying everyone I know :P |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3851
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Posted - 2015.03.17 07:34:40 -
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Well, count me on the "two thousand and X".
Good luck with your dissertation.
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Falken Falcon
31591
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Posted - 2015.03.17 13:28:08 -
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I did the test while ago and it promted some ideals/values i apperantly had in eve. I was not aware that i had any
Thank you for the test
Aye, Sea Turtles
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21217197
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.17 17:30:48 -
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All done! Data collection's over today. Hopefully I'll be back with some interesting results (I'll be back even if the results aren't interesting :P) |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:44:44 -
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I thought it was a good survey, especially the values/morals statements to agree or disagree with at the end. Hope you link the survey results when they're all compiled, OP.
'I beta tested this game 10 yrs ago. I saw back then it was going to be a carnival of degenerates....'
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Marsha Mallow
2045
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:53:08 -
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21217197 wrote:Hey guys, data collection ends today. I'd love to make one last push before the survey comes down - I've had just under two thousand responses from players. This has been overwhelmingly well received so far and I can't wait to have a look at what the data says! 2000 responses is awesome.
Check this one out for a typical EvE survey btw. I'm ashamed to say I gave horriable answers and enjoyed doing so
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence.
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Falken Falcon
31598
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Posted - 2015.03.20 06:14:13 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:21217197 wrote:Hey guys, data collection ends today. I'd love to make one last push before the survey comes down - I've had just under two thousand responses from players. This has been overwhelmingly well received so far and I can't wait to have a look at what the data says! 2000 responses is awesome. Check this one out for a typical EvE survey btw. I'm ashamed to say I gave horriable answers and enjoyed doing so Woo, more tests!
For some reason, i enjoy doing these
Aye, Sea Turtles
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