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John wesher
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.15 12:54:31 -
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I'm currently doing level 4 missions solo. I'm just wondering if there is a quicker way of doing them at all? These are my skills http://eveboard.com/pilot/John_wesher but i feel like im missing something. I've spoken to a few people and they've all said they do missions within 15 minutes and yet im here stuck doing them in roughly every hour!!
High slot Cruise Missile Launcher II, What ever tech 2 missiles needed for mission eg Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II
Med slot
Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission) Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission) Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission) X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron --- for drones
Low slots Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
rigs
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
This is my fit. I just feel im missions something to make these missions go quicker!
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Many thanks
John |
NovaCat13
Full Spectrum Inc Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
13
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Posted - 2015.03.15 14:44:52 -
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They're likely blitzing the missions, and only going after the triggers. When I used to mission I'd take a while too because I'd pop everything and salvage all with 1 character, inefficient, but that's how I roll. |
Leiliana Atruin
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
26
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:04:22 -
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http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
Have a look at the site I linked for you above. It is possible to do missions that fast and it actually has little to do with your DPS. If you know the mission, and you know what to do you can focus on just completing the mission objectives. Personally I have been lucky with drops, so I kill and loot everything. I dont mind taking an extra 15 minutes per mission because I play for enjoyment, not efficiency. |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:09:45 -
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There are people who need nearly no time to run a mission and make insane amounts of isk through them...the other 99% don't read the forums. But in your case blitzing mitht be the answer.
Anyway, you have a really heavy tank there and lots of cap, too...or too much (you should swap at least 1 CC for another rigor). A MJD would save you from eating too much damage because you can jump out of range of most enemies and then use your TP to apply more of your missile damage. Your drones won't do much dmg with our without a TP, a TP for drones is a good idea on a droneboat that already has 2 Omnis. If Caldari and missiles is your way you should go for the missile support skills to Level V and throw cheap T1 drones at the stuff that you can't hit, if the get killed throw out some more, thats how I do it and it works perfectly. Now that you use your TP for your missiles you should train Signature Focusing and Frequency Modulation, which enhance your target painting skills greatly. |
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:10:09 -
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Mission completion time is a very vague metric to rely on without additional information.
Which hulls are they using ?
Are they cherry picking missions ?
Are they blitzing ?
Does that time include loot and salvage ?
How many skillpoints on relevant skills do they have ?
That being said, if you need help, start by stating which hulls you are willing to use or train for.
EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
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John wesher
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:35:30 -
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Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Mission completion time is a very vague metric to rely on without additional information.
Which hulls are they using ?
Are they cherry picking missions ?
Are they blitzing ?
Does that time include loot and salvage ?
How many skillpoints on relevant skills do they have ?
That being said, if you need help, start by stating which hulls you are willing to use or train for.
Sorry but what do you mean by hulls im willing to use?
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John wesher
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:36:35 -
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Mobbel Ernaga wrote:There are people who need nearly no time to run a mission and make insane amounts of isk through them...the other 99% don't read the forums. But in your case blitzing mitht be the answer.
Anyway, you have a really heavy tank there and lots of cap, too...or too much (you should swap at least 1 CC for another rigor). A MJD would save you from eating too much damage because you can jump out of range of most enemies and then use your TP to apply more of your missile damage. Your drones won't do much dmg with our without a TP, a TP for drones is a good idea on a droneboat that already has 2 Omnis. If Caldari and missiles is your way you should go for the missile support skills to Level V and throw cheap T1 drones at the stuff that you can't hit, if the get killed throw out some more, thats how I do it and it works perfectly. Now that you use your TP for your missiles you should train Signature Focusing and Frequency Modulation, which enhance your target painting skills greatly.
Ill try swapping the CC for rigor see if it helps!
Also just wondering whats the quickest ship to do level 4 missions in? atm im in my raven ... forgot to say that ... but i feel there could be something better??? |
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:48:25 -
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John wesher wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Mission completion time is a very vague metric to rely on without additional information.
Which hulls are they using ?
Are they cherry picking missions ?
Are they blitzing ?
Does that time include loot and salvage ?
How many skillpoints on relevant skills do they have ?
That being said, if you need help, start by stating which hulls you are willing to use or train for. Sorry but what do you mean by hulls im willing to use?
Which ships are you willing to use or train for ?
EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
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Kines Pavelovna
Norman's Meat Market
4
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:52:14 -
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Are you trying to get more isk per hour or just complete missions faster?
For isk/hr there's a bunch of stuff.
Make a tax free corp, if you get war decced just leave and make another. +10% to all income.
If you're not doing SoE missions, start. +50% on the LP component.
Cherry pick which missions you salvage. This can vary your income a lot. From my records; I make some where between 900k and 2 mill per minute salvaging. So 60-120 mill an hour.
Use a rattlesnake or a golem. Better DPS/application means faster mission completion.
Get into shape to finish the burner missions. They're all very good isk/hr if you can complete them. The team burners are all solo-able in a kestral. While the standard burners require 300-500mil frigates and all(-ish) 5's. It takes me, after some initial teething, about 20-25 minutes to complete a team burner, during which I pull in something like 1.5mil a minute.
The only thing that might raise completion times by a bit is using different pirate bs's, and t3's depending on which mission I pull. Some missions require you to just sit there and kill everything, so I use a rattlesnake. For other missions you have to kill a bunch of cruisers and schlep to gates, so I use a mach. Yada, yada, yada. Frankly I just don't have the skills for this sort of experimentation. |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:57:50 -
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John wesher wrote:Also just wondering whats the quickest ship to do level 4 missions in? atm im in my raven ... forgot to say that ... but i feel there could be something better???
Usually the quickest ship is (still) the Machariel, there are some missions where you will be faster with another but overall - especially if you want to blitz - the Machariel wins. It's traits and the case that it moves around like a cruiser and hits and tanks (either shield or armor) like a bs make it somewhat unique. On top of that it's easy to get into it. I don't like it although I have one and often recommend it to new pilots that want to progress a little faste in PvE then the skillsystem usually allows...it's a damn good ship but not for everyone. From your Raven you would normally progress to the Raven Navy Issue (or maybe a Scorpion Navy Issue which is a very good boat, too but lacks a little dps) and then switch to a Marauder, the Golem in your case or choose to go the missile and sentry way with the Rattlesnake. |
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
260
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Posted - 2015.03.15 16:42:44 -
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I complete all the missions I run except in a very few cases. When it was taking me as long as you it was because I couldn't apply enough DPS.
What kind of DPS does EFT show? I don't have much experience with missiles -- are you using the best launcher for the job?
What are your tactics? If you are pulling range and shooting from a long way that might be slowing you down.
Does your tank or cap ever feel at risk? If not, you could get more aggressive with your tactics or change your fit towards more offense.
Are you looting and salvaging? The people going for speed with only 1 ship don't bother except for select battleship wrecks.
The people going for speed also usually have multiple ships they can use for particular missions. They will decline missions which they know will be slow or low isk return.
This blog post is very helpful in judging missions until you know them from experience.
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4131
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Posted - 2015.03.15 23:02:57 -
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Kines Pavelovna wrote:Use a rattlesnake or a golem. Better DPS/application means faster mission completion. +1 with this. I prefer the Golem because even though it has less actual DPS, with target painters the applied DPS is very good. Bastion renders you immune to ECM, dampening, etc.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
574
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Posted - 2015.03.15 23:35:27 -
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John wesher wrote:I'm currently doing level 4 missions solo. I'm just wondering if there is a quicker way of doing them at all? These are my skills http://eveboard.com/pilot/John_wesher but i feel like im missing something. I've spoken to a few people and they've all said they do missions within 15 minutes and yet im here stuck doing them in roughly every hour!! High slot Cruise Missile Launcher II, What ever tech 2 missiles needed for mission eg Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Med slot Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission) Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission) Domination Thermic Dissipation Field (whatever neede for mission) X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron --- for drones Low slots Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II rigs Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I This is my fit. I just feel im missions something to make these missions go quicker! Any help is greatly appreciated! Many thanks John Your targeting range is too short, so you have to travel a bit.
Most people use some prop mode to get to gates. Even LMJD can be used if you do the whole triangulation thing.
Oh yeah. Whoever said more rigor rigs is on the money.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
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Dungheap
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.19 11:28:24 -
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Rapid Launch / Rank 2 / Level: 4 / SP: 90,510 of 512,000 Target Navigation Prediction / Rank 2 / Level: 4 / SP: 90,510 of 512,000
max those first , then look at your other missile support skills .
on your fit , i would switch out a shield boost amp for a second target painter . switch to T2 hardeners . remove a ccc rig , install another rigor . with 2 painters and 2 rigor , you'll get much better application with the fury ammo .
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Bagatur I
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2015.03.19 13:34:37 -
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did they specify which missions? there are missions like Duo of Death, which I always refuse, and then there are missions like Extravaganzas which can take quite a bit of time. and of course what others said about blitzing and cherry picking. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
557
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Posted - 2015.03.19 13:43:37 -
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He'd have to train for Rattler. He has no drone sentry skills. He is closer to a Golem than a Rattlesnake. I'd just use a sniper fit Raven, like so:
[Raven, pve]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Large Micro Jump Drive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile [Empty High slot]
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Bring precision missiles and some Hobgoblins to deal with frig npcs. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
145
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:12:40 -
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depends my mission times with a navy raven was around 15 to 20 minutes for full clean out
[Raven Navy Issue, mission] F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Large Micro Jump Drive Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier Domination EM Ward Amplifier X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet II x5 Cap Booster 800 x15 Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x648 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2160
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
248
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:00:30 -
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Caleidascope wrote:
Most people use some prop mode to get to gates. Even LMJD can be used if you do the whole triangulation thing.
I do triangulation. Maurader gives bonus to the LMJD for faster cool down. Great stuff.
I also blitz but I mostly semi blitz I dont go just for triggers , that can be a bit dangerous.
[Kronos, Kronos] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Reactive Armor Hardener Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Khanid Navy Large Armor Repairer
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script 100MN Afterburner II Large Micro Jump Drive
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Small Tractor Beam II Auto Targeting System II Drone Link Augmentor II Bastion Module I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hornet II x10 Salvage Drone I x5 Warden I x2 Void L x8000 Null L x8000 Tracking Speed Script x2
Null gets 830 dps without the drones and Void gets 1161 dps, I mostly use the null because better range 16km -71km Bastion, Void gets 9km-29km bastion. that is with both tracking computers with optimal range scripts.
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4144
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Posted - 2015.03.20 03:38:45 -
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Hyperspacial rigs and Accelerators can also make a difference.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Treunt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:49:57 -
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I use a tengu to do missions. I've had a golem, but the tengu was more affordable and rips through missions a lot faster. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4175
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:57:52 -
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Treunt wrote:I use a tengu to do missions. I've had a golem, but the tengu was more affordable and rips through missions a lot faster. The only benefit with the Golem is if you want to salvage as you go.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
88
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Posted - 2015.03.22 08:42:13 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Treunt wrote:I use a tengu to do missions. I've had a golem, but the tengu was more affordable and rips through missions a lot faster. The only benefit with the Golem is if you want to salvage as you go.
rattlesnake is vastly superior to a tengu
OP- get a rattlesnake if u can use t2 sentry drones
http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4191
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:50:05 -
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RonPaul Rox wrote:rattlesnake is vastly superior to a tengu OP- get a rattlesnake if u can use t2 sentry drones It depends. With a Gravitational Capacitor a Tengu will get around a lot quicker, and a correctly fit HAMgu will put over 1000 applied DPS.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1106
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:08:43 -
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but you have to fly around to targets in the tengu |
Marech Bhayanaka
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:25:33 -
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I few of you have mentioned using some pretty expensive ships. I've read elsewhere that doing L4s in expensive ships, even in high sec, tends to attract suicide gankers. Has that been your experience?
Marech. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1113
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Posted - 2015.03.27 19:28:40 -
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Marech Bhayanaka wrote:I few of you have mentioned using some pretty expensive ships. I've read elsewhere that doing L4s in expensive ships, even in high sec, tends to attract suicide gankers. Has that been your experience?
Marech.
if you mission in popular areas (hi sisters of eve level 4 agents) then yes this is a real concern.
Personally I missioned out of a pretty far out of the way place with plenty of agents and never been bothered once, though I've never really flown anything particularly shiny in high sec. |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.04.01 13:29:27 -
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I fly a paladin in Sansha space (T2 fit). Cherry picking missions, and watching Star Trek so semi AFK I can do around 30-40m/HR in ISK + another 10-20m in LP. You have to get your faction standing up first though (Epic quests are great flor this) as faction standing barely moves a milimeter when you decline a mission
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