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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.17 11:56:00 -
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 Originally by: zwerg
you guys are so full of s**t! lol
XGS is probably a pirate in an amar region who likes to blow up the "Dont need a boost" ships.
1st: Amarr needs boost, read the amarr whine thread before youre WhInInG about it!
2nd: Your thread is totally useless, what you wanna say?!
Read before Post FTW!
Greetings to ma homeys from tux, please delete this thread!
otherwise his alts will join posting to higher is self-confidence!
lol my point is that amarr has no need for any boost. yes i have read the thread as i posted on the 2454th post (i think it was that one)
but the fact that you think the devs will read your 94 page whine about the fact amarr doesnt have the "i win button" just makes it worse.
yes im a pirate but i kill minmitar and caldari not amarr.
and no i wont involve my alts because i dont need "support" because my point is totaly valid.
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 17/10/2006 11:56:31
Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 17/10/2006 11:53:42
edit, this messageboard is a hellspawn
Anyway, fitting a full rack of tachyons + a good tank is not possible.
why not?
and its damage over tank. no one can have it all.
i really want my thorax to fit 5 neutrons an 800mm plate 2 reppers and a mwd but its not going to happen.
no ship is perfect for all things.
as it stands amarr has an ubertank on most ships and on others they have the damage output to screw most ships.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson
meh either way you have drones just like us.
lasers make up for their lack of damage types with the sheer damageoutput they do+ the fact they have no reload meaning full cargo of cap boosters.
if you got exp crystals all that would happen is people would exchange 1 em resist for 1 exp resist... simple as that.
no matter what happens to ships in this game there will always be somone wanting more of their ship than it gives.
at current i would really like my dominix to be able to fit 6 heavy nos just to give it that extra kick but its fine how it is.
First - Amarr do crap damage - Read the 94 page thread with the Real DPS calcuations of what pvp ships really do to each other.
Second - Amarr have to reload. T2 Crystals are expensive and Amarr pilots stand to carry something like 60mil in crystals in their cargo.
Third - Very few people shield tank - and if anyone shield tanks in pvp, their second highest resist is EM anyway (2 invurn II + EM)
Forth - Amarr ships dont have the powergrid to fit themselves! For example - the omen's low powergrid
Fifth - Going by your bthorn setup - you dont understand PvP, thus you do not understand the Amarr problem.
In fact - please read all 94 pages of that thread. Then make your complaintes known.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 17/10/2006 11:56:31
Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 17/10/2006 11:53:42
edit, this messageboard is a hellspawn
Anyway, fitting a full rack of tachyons + a good tank is not possible.
why not?
and its damage over tank. no one can have it all.
i really want my thorax to fit 5 neutrons an 800mm plate 2 reppers and a mwd but its not going to happen.
no ship is perfect for all things.
as it stands amarr has an ubertank on most ships and on others they have the damage output to screw most ships.
Amarr has a lousy tank if you use lasers, and the least damage output of all BS's. Even the Dev's stated the Apoc as the worst BS.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:03:00 -
[35]
Originally by: XGS Crimson
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Zaethiel
Low CPU makes it hard to fit most ships. Lasers have awful damage vs armor and most races in EVE armor tank ships.
Correct, the problem is ppl counter arguement high EM resistance on armor with high EXP resistance on shields, but forget that ships that do primarily EXP dmg (minmatar mainly, caldari and gallente to some extend) also have the simple ability to change ammo (field other drones) and do another dmg type. Now where does the Amarr race (I'm talking about lasers here) have this option of chosing armor dmging ammo when needed? They dont.
Before T2 ammo came out I was still using lasers and was hoping for explosive crystals with T2 ammo (they even had them in the test-database), then on top of no explosive crystals we got the EANM IIs + compensation skills dilema which made lasers even worse.
gallente doesnt have the option of switching damage types... unless you mean drones?
and on that point i add this.
geddon-175m3 (i think lol sry cant remember)
apoc-75m3(i think cant remember)
arbi-75m3 +bonus
maller-25m3
recons-75m3
zealot-does not need drones its amazingly powerful
commandships-can tank all day
Yes I mean drones, the only amarr ship that does satisfiying explosive dmg is the arbitrator hull. Btw omen has 15m3 and maller none, while geddon 125m3. You are talking about secondary weapons systems (primary on arbitrator), I'm talking about primary weapon systems, like minnies changing ammo type on their turrets, caldari loading up different type of missiles, gallente drone boats like dominix fielding another type of drone.
The lack of CPU and mid slots on Amarr ships is annoying but thats not the real problem, I remember days when we shield tanked the apoc and geddon was king in ganking. The real problem is that lasers suck for anything but ceptor dog fights.. BTW punisher is best when fitting anything but lasers!
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:04:00 -
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lol because im not an expert battleship pilot in no way makes me a poor pvper.
i already said the fact that no ship can uber arm itself.
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: XGS Crimson on 17/10/2006 12:07:03
you should all just wait till you get teir 3 bs.
with base resists like the punisher + 8 low slots +8 gun slots... it will be out tanking all other ships.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:09:00 -
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Quote:
the huge quantity of pg means you can arm a full rack of tachyons with room to fit a full tank with.
Apoc:
Powergrid: 19500 +25% (engineering 5) = 24375
Tech 2 Tachyons:
Powergrid: 4125 - 10% (advanced weapon upgrades 5) = 3712.5 times 8 = 29700
Tech 1 Modulates Tachyons:
Powergrid: 3750 -10% (advanced weapon upgrades 5) = 3375 times 8 = 27000
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson
i dont have a crappy bthron setup.
7 ion II
webber scrammer mwd cap booster.
1600mm tungsten
1 t2 repper
3 hardners
2 nanos (adaptive t2)
resists=
85
70
87
85
I'm sorry but you lost all credibility posting that setup  And if that wasn't enough...
Originally by: XGS Crimson
so in the case of lets say... the apoc what is wrong with that ship as it stands?
8
4
7
the same as the gallente megathron
the guns DONT need a damage/rof/tracking mod because they are powerful enough and accurate as they are... leading onto the the bonus that the apoc has... 25% cap boost and 50% cap reduction to large laser weapons.
With these bonuses you will almost never run out of capacitor.
4 mediums means that you have exactly the same as the gallente megathron which has no solo fitting issues as it is.
7 lows means you can mount a powerful tank/gank kitting.
the huge quantity of pg means you can arm a full rack of tachyons with room to fit a full tank with.
with 1 extra high slot. the same as the megathron.
please explain what is wrong with this ship?
Basically everything you said here in this quote is completely false 
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:13:00 -
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ive said im not a gd bs pilot.
so sue me but explain to me how that is false?
tachyons-30% more damage than all other long range weapons.
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:14:00 -
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sry alt- that was me
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regergy6h
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:14:00 -
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this thread shows how many amarr whiners there are
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:15:00 -
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Caldari can't do solo and do crappy dmg due to flight time of missiles [just have a experiment in real pvp situations] caldari need a boost! some1?
Originally by: Kusotarre
I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 17/10/2006 12:18:41
I'm not whining about amarr, I fly them, I like them, every race has it drawbacks /shrug. But you're trying to prove your point with stuff that's simply not true. If they apoc could indeed fit 8 tachyons and have a (half) decent tank, nobody would complain about it.
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:17:00 -
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poor caldari :(
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:22:00 -
[46]
Originally by: XGS Crimson
ive said im not a gd bs pilot.
The perhaps you should stop posting as if you have such a complete and godlike understanding of all thing PVP related 
Quote:
so sue me but explain to me how that is false?
tachyons-30% more damage than all other long range weapons.
Because as you have already pointed out lasers have "inbuilt" dmg bonus. Lasers with 50% cap usage bonus balance against hybrids with 25% dmg bonus. So
425mm II normalized dmg = 3.3 * 1.25 / 9.56 = .43149
Tachyon II normalized dmg = 5.4 / 12.5 = .432
Giving Tachyons a crazy 0.1% dmg advantage!!1!  
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
If they apoc could indeed fit 8 tachyons and have a (half) decent tank, nobody would complain about it.
megathron can't fit neutron setup with good tank, omg it need a boost  and it have reloads z0mg, fix it
Originally by: Kusotarre
I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:31:00 -
[48]
Originally by: MECTO
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
If they apoc could indeed fit 8 tachyons and have a (half) decent tank, nobody would complain about it.
megathron can't fit neutron setup with good tank, omg it need a boost and it have reloads z0mg, fix it
tis true! zomg gimme gimme gimme
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Lady Loom
Though The Darkness
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:34:00 -
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could people just ignore XGS please? He's nothing but a clueless troll - he posted his crap in the Amarr "whine" thread repeatedly, he created several new topics like this one complaining about said Amarr thread (for which his sorry arse deserved to be banned from these forums weeks ago) and he tries to prove his point with incredibly stupid setups (like this one)
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:35:00 -
[50]
Originally by: MECTO
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
If they apoc could indeed fit 8 tachyons and have a (half) decent tank, nobody would complain about it.
megathron can't fit neutron setup with good tank, omg it need a boost and it have reloads z0mg, fix it
If only Megathron could fit full rack of 425mms and have a (half) decent tank, nobody would complain. Oh wait... z0mg it can!!!1! \/
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:35:00 -
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i have feelings you know
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:36:00 -
[52]
wheeeeeee yaya
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
Lasers with 50% cap usage bonus balance against hybrids with 25% dmg bonus. So
425mm II normalized dmg = 3.3 * 1.25 / 9.56 = .43149
Tachyon II normalized dmg = 5.4 / 12.5 = .432
Giving Tachyons a crazy 0.1% dmg advantage!!1!
armaggedon got double dmg bonus then. tech2 battleship = cheating
Originally by: Kusotarre
I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
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Stephar
The High Priest
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Posted - 2006.10.17 12:57:00 -
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All the people that say Amarr are fine seem to have one thing in common. They fly Gallente.
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.17 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Stephar
All the people that say Amarr are fine seem to have one thing in common. They fly Gallente.
my goal in eve to fly all races with t2 weapons except missiles/i got alt for this, now im training up minmatar and then will start training Amarr golden *****s ftw! 
Originally by: Kusotarre
I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.10.17 13:09:00 -
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amarr can't even field a full rack of tach's without RCU's... now that's lame imho, and about the drone thing: if that's what you're *****ing about then let's just talk about fleet battles
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.17 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
amarr can't even field a full rack of tach's without RCU's... now that's lame imho, and about the drone thing: if that's what you're *****ing about then let's just talk about fleet battles
dominix is useless in fleets mostly. so gallente have 1 bs [minmatar 1 caldari 1] for fleets and amarr 2, overpowered looks like.
Originally by: Kusotarre
I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.17 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: MECTO
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
If they apoc could indeed fit 8 tachyons and have a (half) decent tank, nobody would complain about it.
megathron can't fit neutron setup with good tank, omg it need a boost and it have reloads z0mg, fix it
I wasn't saying it should be able to, and ppl would probably complain about it, about it being overpowered that is. 
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.17 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
amarr can't even field a full rack of tach's without RCU's... now that's lame imho, and about the drone thing: if that's what you're *****ing about then let's just talk about fleet battles
Errr... tachys doesn't neccessary mean fleets. And you can't fit full rack of tachyons without 2 rcus II (well rcu II + pdu is same sh1t)... That IS wrong.
Sig is not eve related
Eve related?
Copyright of ISD?
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Silver Star Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.17 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Horza Otho on 17/10/2006 15:49:03
Every post you make, Crimson, has no meaning, worth, or shows you have zero knowledge of this game. Do us all a favour and please stop posting.
kthnxbai
edit: for spelling
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