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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.10.18 09:31:00 -
[91]
make sure you dont have "load portraits every time" in the option panel
increase the virtual memory size in windows (control panel, hardware thing manager, global variables i think)
drop your background pic or make it lighter
put eve music off
make sure your fan cools down enough (or change it if problem)
i think i covered all i could see for the "degradation of perf with time"
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Squelch
Crowd Control
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Posted - 2006.10.18 09:42:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Squelch on 18/10/2006 09:43:10
Have you tried creating a new account on your machine and running Eve from there? I have solved weird problems in the past this way when a simple profile corruption has played havok with other applications. It's worth a shot.
*edit*
I mean a new user account, not a new Eve account 
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Gone'Postal
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Posted - 2006.10.18 10:00:00 -
[93]
disable log chat and show damage messages.
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Lifewire
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.10.18 10:13:00 -
[94]
I bet it¦s one of the HW-components causing this trouble. If you ask me: try to get a new board and dont use this Asus A8N5X.
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Semkhet
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 10:36:00 -
[95]
There's a wealth of good advices in this thread, bit first you should determine if your symptom is due to hardware or software.
All electronic devices are built with tolerances since none of what we do is perfect. Some components work within tolerance margins expressed from 0,x% up to 10%. Higher the number of components required to create a given circuit, more the circuit will exhibit an unique behavior which is the result of the sum of interactions of all the fluctuations of the single components.
This is why there are some combinations of elements (mainboard, graphic card, ect...) which are operationally genuine when analyzed separately, but exhibit faulty behavior when connected. Absolute compatibility doesen't exist, it is a mere marketing argument based on statistics and not a scientific certainty.
Four common factors destabilizing electronics: atmospheric conductivity, polluted EM environment, temperature and power supply. To complicate matters further, the last two are intimately linked as the temperature of components is function of their power consumption.
Atmospheric conductivity occurs when enough electric-conductive particles in suspension in the air touch non-isolated metallic parts. In fact, the air is even conductive enough WITHOUT any concentrated presence of suspended particles. Did anything susceptible to change the hygrometry occur which may affect the location of your computer ? Or did you engage in any activity emitting a fine dust, specially carbon or metal (the worst being slightly magnetic dust) ?
-> The following product may be sprayed on clean boards (protect first any kind of connector with tape):
http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog_name=MCMProducts&product_id=20-2242
Is the power supply of your computer powerfull & fast enough ? It might happen that your power supply isn't able to deliver sufficient current (amps) if many elements of your PC are simultaneously sollicited (high CPU and video load concurrent to HD accesses). In this case the element which has the slowest response gets affected. It might also happen that the power is sufficient, but the current isn't delivered fast enough to accomodate the requirements in due time. Here it is the fastest element that will be underpowered for a short time.
-> Try various power supplies with a higher wattage.
Temperature may affect your computer in two ways. First it might push some components close or beyond their normal parameters. Second, a microscopic faulty contact (micro-rupture) might have developped due to the tiny expansion/contraction occuring on any circuitboard when repeatedly powered on & off.
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Note the exact time when you power-up your computer for the first time during the day (supposedly its coolest state at room temperature) and record the room temperature. Note time when you start EVE, open the FPS monitor, set a long course, start the autopilot travel and note the time of travel start. And if there is no other way for adquiring the fps info at regular intervals, start an automated screen grabbing tool. Try also to gather at the same intervals the relevant sensor temperature & voltage info of your computer. Then, after leaving your PC all day on, just before shutting it down for the night for ex. repeat the same test (supposedly at its hottest state).
Now you have a statistically very insufficient sampling, but we hope to recognize a pattern. For each set of tests (cool and hot) note the shortest elapsed time when the slow FPS appeared and the longest elapsed time. Results should then fall within one of three possibilities:
1) There is no difference between hot and cold or it still looks random = probably software-related.
2) Slow FPS occurs faster when hot = Probable overheating or microrupture.
3) Slow FPS occurs faster when cold = Probable Microrupture
This spray may help you track a microrupture:
http://www.ibsstore.com/Scripts/prodViewiexmlidproduct_6496
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Barry Wild
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.10.18 10:41:00 -
[96]
Hi,
I had a similiar behaviour on my Win2k system; AMD64 3700, x1600 Radeon.
After a short time played EVE became totally unplayable.
Actually the whole system was lagging like hell, as if system speed was
lowered to 0.01%.
The ULi SATA driver was it; as soon I ended the ULi Raid Software in systray system
worked again.
Try to reinstall or get the newest version of your SATA driver.
Barry
Barry Wild
CEO
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Jane Spondogolo
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:16:00 -
[97]
Heres one you can't do , but CCP can
CCP, Patch up yer python!
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1123430&group_id=5470&atid=305470
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Goumindong
Amarr
The Forsakened Companions
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:19:00 -
[98]
A guy above recommended "at least a 750-watt power supply"
That is just bunk, even running top of the line equipment you wont ever suck that much juice down. 300-350 is probably enough if you are careful to get as much of the power on your 12v rail as possible, 400 is more than you will ever need with a good power supply.
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Max Gank
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:58:00 -
[99]
People & Places have already been suggested and this kind of relates to it. Make a newbie alt with no or just a few bookmarks and try flying around with that.
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Zenovia Hyradine
The Ministry of Propaganda
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:22:00 -
[100]
Sounds like heat build up, simplest fix is to take the cover off your PC and put a desk or stand fan nearby blowing into the case...
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Jeretomi
Azure Horizon
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:24:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Jeretomi on 18/10/2006 13:25:10
There is some excellent advice in this thread, but I think many are missing (or ignoring?) the nub of the issue. The OP states that his system was working fine before the last patch and has only started playing-up since. This is the same for those of us (me included) that can't do more than 2-3 jumps before the client CTD. Our systems were running EVE just fine before the patch and now we can no longer play. We have tried most, if not all, of the excellent ideas posted here and in other threads and nothing is working.
One question I would ask however, is if it is only EVE that the OP is having problems with, or do other games/graphic processing programs have problems too? Yes, his CPU is running a little hot but not at dangerous levels. A seriously overheating CPU would be causing black screens and reboots all over the shop!! An overheating GPU would be causing graphics glitches in other games as well.
To be honest, if a piece of software, any software, is working one day and not the next because I've installed a patch that is supposed to fix bugs, I do not expect to have to rip my PC apart, reinstall my OS, and update all my drivers whilst
standing on my head singing Rule Britannia just to get it working!! If I was playing with full graphics and sound before a patch I shouldn't have to turn everything off just to get the game to work after a patch. I work in software development, and that is NOT how things should be.
Please don't think I'm bashing CCP here, I'm not. Bugs creep into code and can lay undetected for ages...these things happen. But the bottom line in my opinion, is that the last patch has introduced some hardware incompatibility problem for a small minority of us, and the only way to solve this is for us to send in bug reports with crash dumps and server logs and hope that the devs can find out where things have gone wrong.
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Khatred
OMG I can post in the CAOD section now
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:52:00 -
[102]
The testing
Computer1 : Amd 3700+, MSI GeForce6800GS (PCI-E), 2Mb Ram, MB Asus A8N5X
This computer was recently installed, running latest drivers in everything and having only WinXP, Eve and Norton firewall on it.
Computer2: P4 3200, Gigabyte GeForce6600GT (PCI-E), 2Mb Ram, MB Abit AG-8
This computer had a clean install not along ago (after Dragon), running latest drivers in everything but the video where it runs the next to last drivers from nvidia
Computer3: P4 3000, Radeon 9800 PRO (AGP) , 1 Mb Ram, MB Asus P4P800-E
This computer didn't have a reinstall in a while, also running few misc programs
Computer4: Amd Sempron 2600, Radeon 9550, 1 Mb Ram, MB Asus A7V600-X
This computer has quite an old Win install and has medium amount of stuff running on it.
Computer 1 ran 1 or 3 eve clients, Computer 2 ran 1,2 and 3 clients, Computer 3 ran 1 2 or 3, Computer 4 ran 1 or 2 clients. All characters were boarded on freighters and set on trips. Computer3 also runs quite hot.
Now, computer 3& 4 never ran into problems. After many jumps the fps count dropped a bit but nowhere near what I am experiencing on Computer 1 & 2. Computer 1 & 2 had huge fps drops totaly unrelated with the number of Eve clients ran on them.
My guess
There are 2 things that Computer 1 and Computer 2 have in common and also quite different from 3 and 4. Both are running nVidia PCI-E cards and have 2 mb or Ram.
So far my guess is that the dragon client introduced something that affects something in the video card (be it because it's nVidia or because it's PCI-E) and that only occurs sometimes when jumping. Unfortunaly so far I can't reproduce it so I can make a proper log file 
The 2 bil is still on
Now I am going to focus on all the tips in regards to the video cards and hopefuly finaly fix it. And to find out who offered the best advice 
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Posted - 2006.10.18 14:02:00 -
[103]
Is this some stealthy and well thought out "nVidia sucks!" thread or something?
Anyways, turn off one thing at a time until the problems go away, voila.
 Originally by: Oveur
Eternally yours,
The other dumbass 
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.18 14:03:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 18/10/2006 14:03:39
Any chance to downclock your PCI-E speed through BIOS? Can't remember correctly but AGP bus might be set at 66 MHZ. Downgrading might cause your graphic card not to work properly. I have not used PCI-E before so I can't comment further.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.10.18 15:00:00 -
[105]
I run two screens on my machine and have seen this sort of thing when I run in windowed mode.
Basically I set the Eve client to run on screen 2. When I start it up, it first comes up on screen one and is sloooooow as heck. I then move the window over to screen 2 and it runs fine.
How does this relate? Well, there have been a couple of occasions where my fps has flatlined seemingly for no reason. Every time this has happened, the fix has been to simply move the window a tiny bit so that it is fully on screen 2. The window never moves to cause the problem in the first place. One minute it's working fine, the next fps goes to crap. It's as if Windows changes it's mind out of the blue about where (on what screen) the Eve window actually is. Because if my vid card thinks Eve is on screen 1, I get absolutely no hardware accelaration.
Now this might be what you are experiencing even if you aren't running two screens but your vid card is for some reason set for two screens.
THE SHORT VERSION: Next time you see the problem, drag the Eve window a tiny bit to the left. FPS change? Drag a bit to the right. FPS change?
If you are running two screens and are using the one program that starts your Eve client for you with the position of the screens set for you, it may be that you simply need to nudge that initial position a pixel one way or the other.
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Mdram
Caldari
Eastern Heritage
O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.18 15:00:00 -
[106]
that cpu temp seems high. i'd get a new heat sink/cpu fan for startes, mak sure the case is circulating enough, but not too much air. ive noticed that if my fans speed up too high my temp rises, check the speed of them and adjust it to keep the temp down.
also as was said before a quick check is to remove the side and have an external fan blow into the case
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SadisticSavior
Caldari
Edenists
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Posted - 2006.10.18 16:21:00 -
[107]
Edited by: SadisticSavior on 18/10/2006 16:21:57
Given that it only seems to be occuring after your computer has been on a while, I am leaning towards the video-card-overheating as being the cause as well. Have you tried running with the case open?
I am running an AMD3500 system on the ULi chipset as well...Sata is running in the background but I dont have these problems. Of course, I am also running full-screen.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.18 17:23:00 -
[108]
Khatred, I don't know if it has been mentioned, or if you can do it in 32-bit XP, but can you run the task manager, view the performance tab, and have "show kernel times" checked in the "view" menu.
That will give you an indication if a driver is going mad that does not show up in the "processes" tab.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Kenneys
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:00:00 -
[109]
Hiyas Khatred,
Sounds to me like it's a video driver issue.
Two things :
1) Get an alternate driver for your video card.
www.omegadrivers.net
2) Use older drivers for your card. Sometimes the video lag is due to new technologies being written for older cards.
www.guru3d.com
Question, does your computer hang at all?
Another : Did you fool around with the graphic settings (turning certain things on and off) for your card?
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SadisticSavior
Caldari
Edenists
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:20:00 -
[110]
Quote:
if you can do it in 32-bit XP, but can you run the task manager, view the performance tab, and have "show kernel times" checked in the "view" menu. That will give you an indication if a driver is going mad that does not show up in the "processes" tab.
Wow, good idea.
The thing that makes me think it is not a driver or hardware issue is that it works fine for a while and then craps out. If it was a driver issue he would probably have the issue continuously all the time. But if the chip is overheating, it would display the symptoms he is describing.
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Caryna
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:24:00 -
[111]
the new games keep the videocard mostly under full power,
temperature will rise up und the power need is high.
1. check : is the seperate power connector of the graka connected?
2. if the bios had the option 'PEG Link Mode' try 'disabeld' or 'slow'
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:45:00 -
[112]
Dude, the first steps I'd do are:
1. Use a different Graphics card for each #1, and #2 computers. If you don't have anything available, just borrow from a friend, Eve works with much lower cards than what you have, just try a tested working card from a friend. If this works, just sell your cards and get the ones that are working or an upgraded versions of them.
2. Plug in your HDD on another SATA connector on the MB. I've had it where a SATA connector was a bit loose and was freezing my system at random, changed that on a different SATA slot on the MB and everything ran smoothly.
3. If 1 and 2 don't do it, again borrow a different MB that is compatible with your system and re-plug everything back in. If it works, here you go.
Let me khow how it goes after each of these steps, and hope it helps!
Best regards,
~Black Scorpio
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:51:00 -
[113]
And don't post with an alt!
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Luigi Fourty
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:51:00 -
[114]
Update your graphics drivers.
Or, shut down all other running programs and see if Eve still breaks after a while. If so, it's a memory leak!
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.10.18 18:59:00 -
[115]
This was happening to me on a AMD x2...
I checked the voltage on my cpu, and found that I was undervolting the CPU by a little bit. The problem was sporadic because of the CPU/thread assignment I guess, who knows, fixed the voltage in BIOS (so much for the boards auto-config), check the rest of the voltages, and cleared my cache (to be on the safe side). From that point on everything worked fine, except the server lag of course ;)
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Jon Boy
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Posted - 2006.10.18 19:08:00 -
[116]
Download a program called 'End it all', which stops all programs running you dont want to. You can probably find it on google.
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Prodgen
Gallente
Industrial Solutions Group
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Posted - 2006.10.18 19:26:00 -
[117]
Try increasing the color depth from 15bit or 16bit to 32bit. This solved my problem, it is a known fact that 32 bit is stabler than the lower color depths.... It is kind of backwards though 
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checkplease
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Posted - 2006.10.18 19:45:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Khatred
This is not a joke nor a rant, it's me asking for help, help that will be rewarded.
The situation
I can no longer properly play Eve. After 2, 5 or sometimes 20-30 jumps, my fps drops below 10. Sometimes however I can play a whole 3-6 hours session without problems.
This fps drop occurs only after jumping, never if docked or missioning in the same system. This also started after the Dragon patch, didn't have problems before.
I sometimes run multiple clients. When the fps drop occurs, it happens to only 1 client, not all.
The hardware
CPU: AMD 64 3700+
MB: Asus A8N5X
RAM: 2 x 1024MB 400Mhz
Video: MSI NX6800GS TD256E (GeForce6800GS)(PCI-E)
Audio: Realtek on-board (however I never play Eve with sound)
Heat (same values prior to Dragon and the problems):
CPU: 53-55 C
Video: 70-72 C
System: 38-45 C
What I tried, in order
1. Latest nVidia drivers from nVidia since I have the same problem on a P4 that has a Gigabyte 6600GT (PCI-E). However on another P4 with Sapphire Radeon 9800 PRO (AGP) I don't have this problem.
2. Clearing the cache folder
3. Reinstalling Eve and then tried the nVidia drivers and MSI drivers
4. Put in the WinXP CD, delete partition, format hdd, clean install now only with:
Win XP SP2 with DirectX 9.0c, latest video drivers, mb drivers , audio drivers and a very clean Eve install. Surprise, after 3 jumps I got the fps drop again.
The cry
So now I am pretty much stuck. I am looking at a computer that has only Win XP and Eve on it, a computer that 4 months ago could run 4 eve clients without a sweat for hours and I am asking myself, what else can I do? And no, it's not my internet connection, it's a FPS DROP FFS.
The 2 billions
Here we are. Throw in your advices and ideas and I am going to try. One at a time until this is fixed. The right hint gets 2 bil. Devs and ISD members can participate too  .
your system is overheating.
cpu base for amd 64/3200/3700 under load is 40 deg c
over 47 is bad
has your case got good ventilation?
whats the ambient temperature in the room?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.18 19:47:00 -
[119]
Originally by: checkplease
Originally by: Khatred
This is not a joke nor a rant, it's me asking for help, help that will be rewarded.
The situation
I can no longer properly play Eve. After 2, 5 or sometimes 20-30 jumps, my fps drops below 10. Sometimes however I can play a whole 3-6 hours session without problems.
This fps drop occurs only after jumping, never if docked or missioning in the same system. This also started after the Dragon patch, didn't have problems before.
I sometimes run multiple clients. When the fps drop occurs, it happens to only 1 client, not all.
The hardware
CPU: AMD 64 3700+
MB: Asus A8N5X
RAM: 2 x 1024MB 400Mhz
Video: MSI NX6800GS TD256E (GeForce6800GS)(PCI-E)
Audio: Realtek on-board (however I never play Eve with sound)
Heat (same values prior to Dragon and the problems):
CPU: 53-55 C
Video: 70-72 C
System: 38-45 C
What I tried, in order
1. Latest nVidia drivers from nVidia since I have the same problem on a P4 that has a Gigabyte 6600GT (PCI-E). However on another P4 with Sapphire Radeon 9800 PRO (AGP) I don't have this problem.
2. Clearing the cache folder
3. Reinstalling Eve and then tried the nVidia drivers and MSI drivers
4. Put in the WinXP CD, delete partition, format hdd, clean install now only with:
Win XP SP2 with DirectX 9.0c, latest video drivers, mb drivers , audio drivers and a very clean Eve install. Surprise, after 3 jumps I got the fps drop again.
The cry
So now I am pretty much stuck. I am looking at a computer that has only Win XP and Eve on it, a computer that 4 months ago could run 4 eve clients without a sweat for hours and I am asking myself, what else can I do? And no, it's not my internet connection, it's a FPS DROP FFS.
The 2 billions
Here we are. Throw in your advices and ideas and I am going to try. One at a time until this is fixed. The right hint gets 2 bil. Devs and ISD members can participate too .
your system is overheating.
cpu base for amd 64/3200/3700 under load is 40 deg c
over 47 is bad
has your case got good ventilation?
whats the ambient temperature in the room?
I thought chips can take up to 90+ degree-C.
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Magunus
The Forsakened Few
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.10.18 20:01:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I thought chips can take up to 90+ degree-C.
For that particular chip, I believe it's 65C before it's basically melting. 55C isn't dangerous, but it's not particularly good either. I also don't believe 55 would cause an FPS dropoff. If the CPU is overheating, I'd expect a bluescreen and reboot, not a graphics glitch.
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