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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:02:00 -
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In the last month there have been so many of these threads.... "Pirates are bad people!", "OMG YOU'RE ALL SCUM!!1" and so on, and so forth.
It seems that whenever someone is attacked, ransomed, killed, podded, scammed or robbed people start to question the ethics of Eve.
Eve has always been a single shard. A harsh, volatile world with no remorse, where one screw up means you're out of pocket millions with no comeback.
It's free form, open ended and offers you the chance to be whoever you want to be and yet people who question it's social structure come to one conclusion, every single time.
That the people who pirate, kill, gank, scam, cause mayhem and do other bad things in New Eden, are the lowest forms of life on the face of the planet. That we are the misfits and underdogs of real life society.
If you find that Eve is too harsh, feel this, and that you think it's no fun then maybe you should reconsider spending your time here.
I'll take our corp as an example, we have been ransoming, pirating, looting and killing people for almost a year. Most of us for a year or more before that.
One thing actually made me laugh a short while back, a comment in a thread that read along the lines of the following :
"Pirates are the people in life who would be your best friend IRL and steal things when you're not looking, or sleep with your woman while you weren't home."
It made me laugh even more when I logged into our corp chat, to find civil greetings from people, and into our vent server to find out guys talking about their wives, kids and what they'd been doing at the weekend (okay, granted I'll give you the fact that Vent for the most time is secks related and this was an exception.)
I thought I'd post this and break down our roster without making member details apparent, to show the make-up of our corp and what we do, in relation to "what we do".
In our ranks we have :
A 40 year old dedicated father who takes his son camping and spends time with his family. A young father of one who takes care of his daughter. A father, and son of 14 who play together and pirate as wingmen. A medical student training to save lives. A Fire Jumper who fights forest fires. A young woman who's a university student hoping to study to degree level. Two young guys who have finished school and are waiting to start college.
Myself? I'm a Maintenance Engineer. I design, build and repair things. I'm in the business of creating and preserving things, making sure they function and work effectively. I'm qualified to degree level and have studied for 6 years.
Every member of our corporation shares one thing in common, they're average, hardworking members of society you would never notice in a crowd, people who mix with society.
At the end of the day (Yes Dumus, I said it), I fail to see the justification for people who throw around these stereotypes.
I'm sure our corp are not the only ones who are in this situation with their memberbase, so I'll ask any pirate and PvP corp CEO to post here just as I have with a rough outline of what people do day to day in their corps.
Lets keep this civil for once and have an open, clean and focused debate on what exactly drives us pirates and PvPers to killing in game.
This draws me to my thoughts...
I'm interested to see which walks of life some of the darker members of our community arrive in their wetgrave from, and if it does indeed correlate with the apparent logic of mass thinking.
Again, lets keep it civil and hear some well structured thoughts on the subject.
Discuss...
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:06:00 -
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some people dont like to get blown up...and like to whine about on the forums. Some pirates are in fact bad people. Fact is some carebears are bad people too in RL.
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Xs 142
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:06:00 -
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Miners kill poor space-dust's parents all the time, pirates kill the murderous miners, how's that bad?
Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:10:00 -
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I steal groceries from old ladies when I'm not pirating in eve.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I steal groceries from old ladies when I'm not pirating in eve.
Damn it, quiet Shamis... you're not supposed to post here.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:13:00 -
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Attempting to mix rl and in game character...
Not a good idea im afraid, youre just as guilty, attempting to sterotype.. painting a picture of them/yourself as being 'nice guys' because of real life vocations...
Thats got absolutely nada.. nothing... f'all to do with how a person reacts with and towards others on a computer screen in a game.
Youre point i belive. ______
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Major Stormer
Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Major Stormer on 17/10/2006 23:14:40 When I pirated, I...I...I....Stole little children away from their parents and left them in BoBs Bedroom
One of them even died after finding out that NOL-YZ wasnt a ice-cream type --------------------------
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Durvaul
Caldari SAS Strike Team SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:14:00 -
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Im a IT Engineer and my main is a pirate - i work day in day out to make sure others comps and servers/mainframes work etc
Pirates are not *******s, i hate people who say we are
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:15:00 -
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you post to much...
real pirates cant even write..
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Galk Attempting to mix rl and in game character...
Not a good idea im afraid, youre just as guilty, attempting to sterotype.. painting a picture of them/yourself as being 'nice guys' because of real life vocations...
Thats got absolutely nada.. nothing... f'all to do with how a person reacts with and towards others on a computer screen in a game.
Youre point i belive.
This isn't to prove a point, this is to satisfy curiousity. A lot of people I've spoken to wonder about this, so... I thought I'd get everyone's views on it in a more civil way than the usual.
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Tommy Vercetti
Minmatar Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:16:00 -
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Much respect Verone, that was a top post.
People sign up to Eve expecting similar mechanics to other MMO's. They can't handle the level pirates are at, the amount of pvp, the "you might love it, doesn't love you back" mentality and wish to put up barriers between themselves and others.
Originally by: Pestillence
It's a game where we fly around in eggs with tubes up our arses. If I want reality I'll go outside.
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Xtreem
Gallente Anti Pirate Confederate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:19:00 -
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i think pirates are a needed thing in game, without pirates and allainces there would be no point in eve, you would lose nothing, no risk bs reward etc..
decent pirates are needed :)
great post btw
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Mordinn
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:22:00 -
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I hear what your saying...I work as document control for a company who builds bio-pharm vessels, which make medicine...I also go to school working on a degree, and I'm happily married...
But I also play in a dirty rock band, and look at ****, and blow people up in EVE for fun...
I can not watch Ultimate Fighting, or even some boxing matches...I get creeped out...
Very interesting thing to think about.
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Hermia
HIVE
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:32:00 -
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Ive always operated under NRDS, partly because i find it hard to seperate RL ethics with in-game role play, and i do know thats completely rediculous but im being honest.
Problem is that collecting "stuff" in eve requires considerably more time than other games, since people attribute time with value people will understandibly get upset with their battleship loss. As long as victoms detach their anger from the scoundrel and keep it to "own mistakes" things would run smoothly, unfortunately its more therapeutic to place it on someone else
i dont automatically think the player who just blew me away is a social reject, anger exists but i understand the mechanics of play very well, there are infinte ways to avoid the gank so its always your fault (unless your 1 month old).
besides i thought the major attraction to pirating was hearing the whines?
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Balklanac
Freezoner
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:35:00 -
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Penalties in Real Life are a lot harsher hence some of you nice peole keep yourselves hidden on the inside, but fire up that client and wolllaa the monsters come out.
j/k
If people cant differentiate between real life and a game well that is a problem. But it goes both ways for people on both sides take a lot of things in this game to personally, me included sometimes of course. ---------
I would love to see a bounty pilot get some friend or an alt to pod them to collect the isk if that resulted in a two week delay before their 'personality' was uploaded to a new clone. |
Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:37:00 -
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Commom perception on in this forum/game
Umm, i normaly draw conclusions from what people say tbh, how that say it.. comes across to myself and what it might mean (think it means) in relation to others... thats key to me for sure.
Without knowing a single thing about most people i know in the game.. their life wise... i can tell you for sure some people are of the decent kind, some arn't... from those who play the role of the agressor...
Thats just my opinion though, who knows in all reality.
I think in truth that not of it realy matters all that much anyway.... pixels and opinions, it can get to you... but once you step back from it.. you see the former anyway. ______
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:43:00 -
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I thought you guys were mercs now?
o.0
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:44:00 -
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i pirate IRL, i sit at the freeway onramp and pop BMWs with the quad 20mm Potato Cannons on my pickup truck....
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:44:00 -
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Top top post, nice one.
To me it says a lot that this post is well written, nicely constructed and considered whereas many (not all!) posts which attack "pirate's" or whoever's RL personality are barely inteligable ranting drivel.
As I just posted in another thread I'm a pacifist who's been on several peace marches, and in game I kill randomly. It's a fantasy! It's pretend! If it gets to much for me I can log out and pretend it isn't there!
So you put in efford to buy your new probe and I blew it up?
Are bailifs gonna come to your real life house because you're now broke? Are you now no longer going to able to feed yourself?
No. I pretend killed destroyed some of your pretend stuff. Just like we pretend kill people on Single player FPSs. Does killing pretend AI characters make me a violent murderer? Does shooting your pretend probe make me one?
If you can't separate game and reality, if you feel the need to insult people in real life you are the one with the problem. You can't see what's real and what isn't. By all means come after me in game, send me in character hate mail, have a vendeta, be a pirate hunter, set up traps for Ore thieves, tell people how to avoid scams or pirates. That's flipping awesome. That's part of the game.
But seriously, some people need to get a grip (there are people like this in ever "occupation" Eve: Pirates, Carebeards, Mercs, Alliance players whatever).
You can only judge the real life personalities of people by their in game character's actions if they are someone who is incapable of properly separating reality from ultimately inconsiquential unreality. And contrary to what some believe that's not actually all that common. - - - - - - - - - -
Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
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Tian Jade
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:47:00 -
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mm, I thank you Verone for opening this discussion in such a civil tone. But I still think this will attract a lot of flames. There is no easy answer to your Questions, but I will try to tell you something about my position in EVE and also in RL.
In RL I work in the customer support of a major ISP in Germany and are, to say it in EVE related words, often called a primary target by a customer, if something went wrong. And as I work for a large company with a lot of people, a lot of things also tends to go wrong. This is not a pleasant job, finding a solution for the problems while trying to calm down your customer. More often than I like, I am in the position to tell him/her that there is no easy solution or something else he/she will not like. It goes so far that I even feel totally down and like a bad person.
In EVE I play the good guy. Someone who is often called by some high and mighty PvPler a carebear who should better be off to WoW. Still I enjoy my kind of PvP. Avoiding gatecampers and sometimes slipping away right under their noses. Just being a little smarter, watchful or lucky, than the bad guys.
There is also one another reason to be a good guy (at least for me). Scamming, Thieving Piracy and Griefing (all not necessarily related)seem to be sometimes like the easy path. If no laws are enforced, why stick to them? But this also makes a difference for me. I am a good guy or a bad guy through my own decisions, I am not a good guy by simply entering the game as a Paladin. My reputation, good or bad is my own, not "earned" by following a certain line of quests.
In fact, some pirates I met were really cool guys and even helpful, while some of my fellow not-daily-PvP carebears were total smacktards and overall pretty worthless. But this can also be applied to some pirates who are so full of themselves and their PvP-Skill, that they are unable to tolerate people who do not play EVE like they do.
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Calderio
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:49:00 -
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rikki 4tw, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RIP Kevin Wessel, Age 20, Departed April 19 2005, Baghdad |
Sir Bart
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:53:00 -
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I don't like how you mix pirates in with escrow scammers in your post. I'm a pirate in EVE, nice guy in life and if you escrow scam, I think you're pathetic in both.
Pirates who go around smacking local and calling everyone they meet "n00b" I usually chalk up to 15 year olds that are being made fun of too much in school. I especially like to kill them, I hate kids.
-Sir Bart
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:54:00 -
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some of my best friends are heavy pvp pirates
just another game for them, respect, even if we'll kill each other at each gate ------
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Valharu
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:57:00 -
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Personally I think Pirates are bad people, very bad people and I am very anit-pirate myself. They disrupt, **** me off at times and cause alot of people I know greif and pray on the innocent.
But I wouldnt have the game any other way.
They different ways some pirates corps act from the honorable robin hood pirate to the scum bag killer pirate, just adds a certain flavor to EVE. Only thing more that I would love to see is pirates get terratorial about their areas and kill other pirates who enter it. That would be the iceing on the cake for that last bit of realistic feel.
Without the good, the bad and the ugly, it just wouldnt be EVE and have that realistic feel.
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.10.17 23:58:00 -
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if noone has the legal right to be an ass, how can you recognize the real good people ------
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Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 18/10/2006 00:01:54 Weirda find very little time at 'the end of day' for EVE (busy life, family + 2 kids), but what it come down to is that would rather spend whatever time doing something exciting rather then a grind.
When weirda do 'exciting' thing to other people, they just don't like it... guess anything that anyone else doesn't like you doing to them (non-consentual) is piracy... whatever __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks |
Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.10.18 00:10:00 -
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Who would have guessed that corps like Contraband Inc harbour 60 year old ladies?
Most of the yarr types I know are professionals with qualifications (some up to Doctorate), some are married with kids or have kids on the way etc.
People who stereotype, it is safe to say are narrow minded and naive.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.10.18 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 18/10/2006 00:14:22 Pirates add a nice touch to EVE, i have nothing against professionals. Granted it's a pain in the butt when you lose a ship to one but it's also quite nice to fend them off or get out alive. That being said i like pirates who have a personality and fame behind their character, not the nameless ganksquads who are just after the killmail or the lowest sec rating so they scare every newb.
Though it'd be nice if there were more anti pirate corps around to keep the peace at times. As it is now there's too many wannabee pirates flying around in any low sec system you enter. _______________
The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Digitalis II
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Posted - 2006.10.18 00:13:00 -
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Generalisation is in general a bad thing!
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Niques Leutre
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 00:14:00 -
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Every pirate's bane; The unsuspecting newbie.
'z0mfg u r emo and have no friends and have no life if u kill pplz 4 no reason!11!!11one!1one'
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