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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.10 00:44:48 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:
It's time to stop it. Turn yourself to Faith and repel.
Yes, turn to a faith that started many a war.. That was deeds of humans, not the Lord. You should blame them, not our Faith. I don't want anyone to die anymore, I want everyone to live together in peace and to be happy. A people who follow some god that demands servitude. Another people who wanted nothing to do with it. Fences make good neighbors they say, so why did your ancestors cross that fence? The reclaiming is "god's will" right? that's what I thought... The God isn't the religion or Faith. The God is a reality. The Faith is about accepting this reality or not.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Overload Everything
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Posted - 2015.04.10 01:12:02 -
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The faith to my understanding is faith in this "god reality," is it not? Please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumption. Where would the blame lay in forcing your beliefs on to others in the name of this god? Without this god belief there would be nothing to fight over. |
KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
291
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Posted - 2015.04.10 09:01:28 -
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No faith is above Human Life, and no God approves killing.
I for one choose to be a capsuleer to hunt down Guristas to take revenge of my family, and that path led me into different crossroads.. In time I learned that revenge gives you nothing but takes your humanity from yourself. So during a dilemma where I pointed a gun with thoughts of killing the family of the man who destroyed mine, I let them go just to prevent his boy to grow up like me : filled with rage and revenge... I ennded up in Mordus Legion and helped the Victims of Caldari Gallente war, saved as much civillian as I can and killed the ones who hunts down civillians..
Therefore, to whicheve race you belong, If you think the slaughter of my people, The Matari and the civillian losses of Caldari Gallente War are less important than some political gain, Then you all are no different than Drifters...
And to be fair, only god that I can confirm its existence is Bob The All-father of Anoikis...
Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
392
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Posted - 2015.04.10 09:11:59 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: There is a reason why generally the Empires leave most of the fighting to the capsuleers, or why we even exist at all. Plenty of us will just go, shoot one another, lose ship and capsule, come back and do it all over again, having learned nothing other than how not to lose ships that easily again. The fact that we even have crew do not quite register to many of us. The baseliner side is far less reckless and far less likely to go take suicidal risks.
Ships will keep dying regardless who fly them, capsule pilot or a captain from a bridge. Haven't millennia of wars teach you that? It doesn't matter how reckless or cautious you are, when you start a war, people die. And yet you continue doing the same, attack us to "help your slaves" or attacking Caldari because they don't bow to you. Stop your agression, Federals and Republicans! You aren't fighting megacorporations or the Empress, you are fighting against regular peoples, same as you, who defend their land against you. It's time to stop it. Turn yourself to Faith and repel.
It's one thing to undock and lose a Dominix in defense of one's home. It's another to undock and lose a Dominix because somebody insults one's mother. It's yet another matter to lose a Dominix over and over and over again to the same gatecamp because of a misguided attempt at revenge.
Guess who is more likely to do the last two. That same person will do it every single hour if he has the resources and stock to spare. How many baseliner admirals do you know of who pulls that shite?
When someone throws shite at the fan somebody will die. However, capsuleers, I argue, are far more likely to go around losing their ships on an hourly basis than a baseliner starship captain. Guess which one then has to replace his own ship more often, and who in turn puts more money into the manufacturer's wallet. I am not discussing morality, I'm discussing the economics of this war.
Also, **** you. Back where I come from, we leave missionaries out in the wilderness in dust storms if they start pestering and preaching about their religion.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
304
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Posted - 2015.04.10 17:21:23 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote: Ships will keep dying regardless who fly them, capsule pilot or a captain from a bridge. Haven't millennia of wars teach you that? It doesn't matter how reckless or cautious you are, when you start a war, people die.
And yet you continue doing the same, attack us to "help your slaves" or attacking Caldari because they don't bow to you. Stop your agression, Federals and Republicans! You aren't fighting megacorporations or the Empress, you are fighting against regular peoples, same as you, who defend their land against you.
It's time to stop it. Turn yourself to Faith and repel.
Student in the Imperial Academy, the military school for up-and-coming capsuleers of the Amarr Empire. Supporter of the Amarr Empire, the nation with the longest recorded history of military conquest. Believer in a faith that directly commands its followers to "reclaim" everything God created (which is everything) and to serve as justice incarnate on behalf of God toward those heathens that do not kneel in repentance. Has the audacity to direct all fault toward the Federation and Republic, claiming we're the aggressors.
I try to avoid defamation of character remarks and ad hominem but the level of hypocrisy in your posts is nearly tangible.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:43:04 -
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Xadiran wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Don't play me a fool, gallentean.. I hardly need to. You make a fool of yourself enough for t¦¦h¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦b¦¦o¦¦t¦¦h¦¦ ¦¦o¦¦f¦¦ ¦¦u¦¦s¦¦ the entire IGS. Oh, that said a gallentean, who made a terrible alogical comment earlier, and replied with that when I caught you? Do you even use your brain, gallentean, or just spew propaganda like a parrot? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:44:17 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.
Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime? Another parrot? Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime.
WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:47:08 -
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Rinai Vero wrote: As for the ancient history that is the origin of the First Gallente - Caldari War, I think we'de probably all be better served working towards a settlement than fighting the same battles over again.
Do you want a settlement? Then withdraw all gallenteans from Caldari Prime and Black Rise! Otherwise, we will just remove them as we can ourselves. With fire and steel
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:50:35 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:James Syagrius wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:You are talking about the colonies you built in violation of your agreement with the Federation? Those colonies?
I understand that the colonies breached the charter, it's not surprising since the people who built them were clearly preparing to go their own way, but shall we simply ask if the response was proportionate? No. It wasn't. Has any response in this conflict been proportionate? The answer: depends on which side of the field you're on. We could compensate all proportions if Caldari do to Gallente what Gallente did to Caldari. Starting with orbital bombardment of Gallente Prime and occupation it for the next 200 years, claiming whole Luminaire as Caldari only, just like gallentes did. And that will be only the start.
So, how about a bit proportion compensation? |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1133
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:53:06 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.
Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime? Another parrot? Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime. WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION. You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:55:23 -
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Thea Isotalo wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote: The State has not been the entity pursuing peace. Have we already forgotten that prior to Operation Highlander multiple attempts at peace conferences, diplomacy and non-violent resolution were made by the Federation?
And while your smiling diplomats were dickering at the bargaining table for this "peace" your ships and troops were sweeping across Black Rise. Those that you didn't kill, you forced into labor. And when the State came to kick your sorry butts out of our home, you tried to kill, **** or burn anything you couldn't carry off with you. Since I was on one of those colonies at the time, you'll forgive me if I have some pretty severe ******* doubts about what the word "peace" mean in Gallente. How there could be peace at all, while they still occupy our lands?... Our HOME lands. Peace is possible only every last gallentean occupant will be dealt with. But then again, while the Federation exists, it will continue trying to occupy our worlds. We have signed several treaties with them, which they have VIOLATED.
One has to be just stupid to trust gallenteans ever again. No, to make peace with gallente, there's only one option: TO ENFORCE IT. To make gallente UNABLE to ocupy and attack us PHYSICALLY. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:56:12 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.
Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime? Another parrot? Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime. WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION. You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded. Have you damn read the start of this topic? |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1133
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:57:09 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:James Syagrius wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:You are talking about the colonies you built in violation of your agreement with the Federation? Those colonies?
I understand that the colonies breached the charter, it's not surprising since the people who built them were clearly preparing to go their own way, but shall we simply ask if the response was proportionate? No. It wasn't. Has any response in this conflict been proportionate? The answer: depends on which side of the field you're on. We could compensate all proportions if Caldari do to Gallente what Gallente did to Caldari. Starting with orbital bombardment of Gallente Prime and occupation it for the next 200 years, claiming whole Luminaire as Caldari only, just like gallentes did. And that will be only the start. So, how about a bit proportion compensation? We could also threaten Caldari Prime with a doomsday. But we're better then that.... It must feel horrible, being unable to personally slaughter every Gallente citizen to sate your blood lust. I pity you.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1133
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:00:03 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.
Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime? Another parrot? Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime. WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION. You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded. Have you damn read the start of this topic? I did, actually. I fail to see how any of that makes my point invalid.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:03:32 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.
Have you damn read the start of this topic? I did, actually. I fail to see how any of that makes my point invalid. Okay, first military invasion after the truce was by Noir. Then, gallenteans on Caldari Prime were still invaders, left by the truce to stay there. Next, gallenteans started racist attacks against Caldari on Caldari Prime. We came and liberated our planet from gallente occupation. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1133
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:11:43 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: You moved military assets unauthorized through sovereign Federation space. Hence you invaded.
Have you damn read the start of this topic? I did, actually. I fail to see how any of that makes my point invalid. Okay, first military invasion after the truce was by Noir. Then, gallenteans on Caldari Prime were still invaders, left by the truce to stay there. Next, gallenteans started racist attacks against Caldari on Caldari Prime. We came and liberated our planet from gallente occupation. And in the process, invaded sovereign Federation space in violation of aforementioned truce. My point still remains valid.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
304
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:13:04 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.
Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime? Another parrot? Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime. WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION.
Congratulations, you completely circumvented my question and instead repeated the same mindless drivel that you repeat ad infinitum in every discussion in every venue.
The question wasn't, "Did you liberate Caldari Prime or occupy it?" The question was, "Are you referring to the part where you invaded the Federation?"
However, despite your attempt at misdirection and circumvention, you have given me the only answer you knew you could; "Yes."
Thank you. Please move along.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:15:35 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
And the last thing, by saying gallente started the war, I was referencing to later events, that happened about 7 years ago, not those that happened 200 years ago.
Oh...you mean the part where the Caldari State invaded the Gallente Federation in order to occupy Caldari Prime? Another parrot? Caldari Prime is OURS and occupants on Caldari Prime are gallentes. We didn't "occupy" Caldari Prime. WE HAVE LIBERATED CALDARI PRIME FROM GALLENTEAN OPPRESSION. Congratulations, you completely circumvented my question and instead repeated the same mindless drivel that you repeat ad infinitum in every discussion in every venue. The question wasn't, "Did you liberate Caldari Prime or occupy it?" The question was, "Are you referring to the part where you invaded the Federation?" However, despite your attempt at misdirection and circumvention, you have given me the only answer you knew you could; "Yes." Thank you. Please move along. I am answering the most important issues first, and this is a basis for any business relation. And what I saw was a gallentean propaganda about "Caldari occupied Caldari Prime". Stopping such drivel is above answering any questions. Caldari Prime was occupied by gallente ans was liberated by Tibus Heth. Learn facts already if you wish to participate in fruitful discussions. |
Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:27:16 -
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The fact is that the Gallente on Caldari Prime were there by concession and legal agreement. The fact is that Tibus Heth used Caldari Prime to elevate himself to power by preying upon his own people's patriotism and sense of cultural pride. The fact is that the Caldari State, under the leadership of Tibus Heth, invaded the Gallente Federation in a completely illogical step simply to make a statement and hold an entire planet hostage. The fact is that the current war was started by the signing of the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act following the simultaneous invasion of Yulai and the Federation during the sabotaging of the CONCORD Emergency Response System. The fact is that despite all of your loud-mouth crying and repetition, none of these facts will change and no matter how you try to color it and change your presentation of it, the facts don't agree with your assessment.
Regarding your comment on "fruitful discussions," I know the facts. Perhaps you should try learning them instead of twisting them to suit your worldview. There can be no fruitful discussions with you.
This will be my last response to you. Enjoy the last word.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1133
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:46:01 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:The fact is that the Gallente on Caldari Prime were there by concession and legal agreement. The fact is that Tibus Heth used Caldari Prime to elevate himself to power by preying upon his own people's patriotism and sense of cultural pride. The fact is that the Caldari State, under the leadership of Tibus Heth, invaded the Gallente Federation in a completely illogical step simply to make a statement and hold an entire planet hostage. The fact is that the current war was started by the signing of the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act following the simultaneous invasion of Yulai and the Federation during the sabotaging of the CONCORD Emergency Response System. The fact is that despite all of your loud-mouth crying and repetition, none of these facts will change and no matter how you try to color it and change your presentation of it, the facts don't agree with your assessment.
Regarding your comment on "fruitful discussions," I know the facts. Perhaps you should try learning them instead of twisting them to suit your worldview. There can be no fruitful discussions with you.
This will be my last response to you. Enjoy the last word. I have this theory that Kimmy is actually a Drone in people suit. Her arguments are preprogrammed and thus won't change regardless of the topic. I have done everything from supporting her cause, trolling her, changing the topic to tasty food products, trolling her, attempting to change her mind, and trolling her. Her response always remains the same without fail: kill all Gallente, Destroy the Federation.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4622
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Posted - 2015.04.10 21:09:59 -
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To be fair the answer to the question "Did the Caldari liberate Caldari Prime or occupy it?" is a lot more complicated than either Diana Kim or Liam would give it credit.
A more accurate answer would be that the Caldari liberated Caldari Prime while occupying the Luminaire system. People have jokingly suggested that the only fully acceptable resolution to the current situation with Caldari Prime would be to cause it to be bodily removed from the Luminaire system and replaced with an alternate planet of equal value! Since we cannot seem to build a Jumpgate large enough to move a planet, nor engines efficient enough to propel one to said Jumpgate, it seems we're doomed to a compromise solution.
The question "Did the Caldari occupy or liberate Caldari Prime?" is a dangerous question, since it resolves itself to an answer that must be unacceptable to either one or the other of the two involved parties. It would be better if such questions were never asked - since their answers lead only to further rounds of conflict with no end in sight.
Here are a list of what I consider to be better questions:
1. Are there any circumstances under which the Caldari people would be willing to share Caldari Prime with Gallentean people? 2. Are there any circumstances under which the Gallentean people are unwilling to surrender property they own on Caldari Prime to State control? 3. Is there any way for the Federal government to return control of Caldari Prime to the State without ceding any right to the control of the Luminaire system to the State? 4. How do we guarantee that the rights of Gallentean citizens who own property on Caldari Prime are respected when that property is transferred from Federal control to State control? 5. How do we handle a situation where a Gallentean citizen does not wish to surrender ownership of property they own on Caldari Prime when control of that property is transferred from the Federation to the State where that Gallentean citizen is unwilling to live under State jurisdiction?
It would be a fruitful discussion.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
591
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Posted - 2015.04.10 21:28:08 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote: This will be my last response to you. Enjoy the last word.
This place... it looks strangely familiar? I have a feeling we're going in circles. Can anyone get a NavSat trajectory? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4623
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:13:53 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote: This will be my last response to you. Enjoy the last word.
This place... it looks strangely familiar? I have a feeling we're going in circles. Can anyone get a NavSat trajectory?
At first it tells me off for trying to divide by zero and then it just says "..to Hell". I think I shouldn't have bought an Achuran navsat system.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
30
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:37:24 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:I have this theory that Kimmy is actually a Drone in people suit
Oh my god, I think I just read about that somewhere!
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
591
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:42:57 -
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Xadiran wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:I have this theory that Kimmy is actually a Drone in people suit Oh my god, I think I just read about that somewhere!
Xad, this topic is now about the lack of reliability of Achuran nav tech.
Me, personally, I avoid any nav system that talks. Plot the course for me then shut up. If I want spoken directions I'll get Soter on comms for his sultry dulcet tones. |
Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
30
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:47:31 -
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I think that's the first time I've heard his voice described as 'sultry'...
As for navigation, I just fly by landmarks, and if I get lost, I'll do the only proper thing and fly around aimlessly for hours before relenting and asking for directions.
s'how we flew in the old days, before your fancy Nav systems and your chromed ion ports... |
Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:48:12 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:To be fair the answer to the question "Did the Caldari liberate Caldari Prime or occupy it?" is a lot more complicated than either Diana Kim or Liam would give it credit.
Monsieur Tuulinen,
I would afford it all the credit I am able if it were the question I posed, but it was not. My dismissal of the question was not out of spite or disregard but because it was not the question to be answered and because I would not bother discussing that question with certain individuals because it would be pointless.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The question "Did the Caldari occupy or liberate Caldari Prime?" is a dangerous question, since it resolves itself to an answer that must be unacceptable to either one or the other of the two involved parties. It would be better if such questions were never asked - since their answers lead only to further rounds of conflict with no end in sight.
Which is precisely why I did not ask the question to begin with, though I am somewhat dismayed if it came across as me dismissing the topic outright. That was not my intention.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Here are a list of what I consider to be better questions:
1. Are there any circumstances under which the Caldari people would be willing to share Caldari Prime with Gallentean people? 2. Are there any circumstances under which the Gallentean people are unwilling to surrender property they own on Caldari Prime to State control? 3. Is there any way for the Federal government to return control of Caldari Prime to the State without ceding any right to the control of the Luminaire system to the State? 4. How do we guarantee that the rights of Gallentean citizens who own property on Caldari Prime are respected when that property is transferred from Federal control to State control? 5. How do we handle a situation where a Gallentean citizen does not wish to surrender ownership of property they own on Caldari Prime when control of that property is transferred from the Federation to the State where that Gallentean citizen is unwilling to live under State jurisdiction?
It would be a fruitful discussion.
1. I am unsure, though I would be open to discussing this with any Caldari willing to do so as I'm quite sure there are many Gallente who now call that planet home and many Caldari who will always consider it home.
2. This is a bit of a sticky situation, to be honest. Under the Federal government, such people would be at liberty to make their own individual decision as to whether or not they would surrender their property to the State. The Federation cannot force a citizen to do so or not to do so as it would violate their individual liberties and rights. However, I suspect incentives could be provided by the Federation to allow relocation and resettlement should they be open to the idea.
3. This would require a great deal of trust and cooperation from both parties and a show of good faith from the Federation first. Is it possible? Definitely. Provisions could be made for transportation to and from without ceding any level of control or ownership in Luminaire but I suspect this would only cause further problems as it would effectively isolate Caldari Prime from its people and would be in a state of extreme vulnerability should open hostilities break out...and it pains me to admit that our history would suggest that such a vulnerability might be considered for exploit if the wrong people were in power in the Federation at the time.
4. Given the fundamental differences between the core values of our people and our governments, this would require a great deal of discussion and cooperation to work out. It could happen but, like above, would likely lead to more problems.
5. Herein lies the crux of the matter. The Federation cannot and will not force any of its citizens to relocate and cannot surrender their property without their acquiescence. Such is the nature of a government run by its people.
The answers to three, four and five explain why the planet has been divided for so long and ultimately why tensions continue to remain high.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
591
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:51:32 -
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C'mon Liam... I was so close to derailing us! |
Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:57:38 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:C'mon Liam... I was so close to derailing us!
My sincerest of apologies but even a bad thread can be salvaged if it can lead to productive conversation.
I would not wish it to be said that I were unwilling to earnestly and productively discuss the precarious situation in which our peoples find themselves.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1136
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Posted - 2015.04.10 23:24:17 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:C'mon Liam... I was so close to derailing us! My sincerest of apologies but even a bad thread can be salvaged if it can lead to productive conversation. I would not wish it to be said that I were unwilling to earnestly and productively discuss the precarious situation in which our peoples find themselves. Reminder: this is a Diana Kim thread/rant. Nothing good will ever come of it.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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