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Tylda Fortrum
Fortrum Investments Inc
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:57:18 -
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Hi there,
Just throwing this out to see what people's thoughts are and what they currently find effective. I'm looking for some suggestions for Amarr ships that are suitable for solo PvP in lower level wormholes and that can take on combat site runners. I was thinking NOmen, Abso or Legion. Are these viable for a spot of PvE ganking? Too shiny? |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:06:00 -
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Stratios
Without friends (scouts/Tackler) you benefit a lot from a covert ops and Legion in this role has not enough dps. And you have bonused scanning. |
Tylda Fortrum
Fortrum Investments Inc
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:28:56 -
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Great, I'll have a look at the Stratios option. Can they take on T3's ok? Would you recommend guns or drone mods? |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:04:55 -
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Tylda Fortrum wrote:Great, I'll have a look at the Stratios option. Can they take on T3's ok? Would you recommend guns or drone mods?
Active tanked ship stop active tanking really quickly if they get neuted, especially PVE fit ones who tend to hover around peak recharge. On top of that the ship doesn't really get useful bonuses to its lasers.
So you're not going to fit turrets because they're not bonused (not really anyway) and because you need the slots thus you're focussing fully on drones. There are fits that load up on blasters for extra dps but even then you'd focus on drone mods and while those fits certainly have a use it just makes more sense to nuke a PVE ship's cap so he can't tank, rather than adding some extra dps to deal with an intact tank.
It does depend on the target though, a shield regen fit is going to take a while to kill if you rely on neuts and there the increased dps from turrets might help out. |
Aeryn Maricadie
Periphery Bound
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:30:14 -
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For amarr pilgrims and curses do this well too, the Curse is twice the ship the pilgrim is and in WH's the cloak is not so necessary when you don't show up on d-scan and there is no local. |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.23 08:11:41 -
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Aeryn Maricadie wrote:For amarr pilgrims and curses do this well too, the Curse is twice the ship the pilgrim is and in WH's the cloak is not so necessary when you don't show up on d-scan and there is no local.
but combat probes ...
Besides that the Stratios may be more expensive, but more versatile than Curse / Pilgrim. It can especially apply more dps. The only advantage the Curse really has is that it do not show up on DS. Comparing Pilgrim and Stratios I would always prefer the Stratios. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.03.23 08:47:46 -
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HoruSeth wrote:Aeryn Maricadie wrote:For amarr pilgrims and curses do this well too, the Curse is twice the ship the pilgrim is and in WH's the cloak is not so necessary when you don't show up on d-scan and there is no local. but combat probes ... Besides that the Stratios may be more expensive, but more versatile than Curse / Pilgrim. It can especially apply more dps. The only advantage the Curse really has is that it do not show up on DS. Comparing Pilgrim and Stratios I would always prefer the Stratios.
What about combat probes? If you use them they turn up on D-scan and spook the locals, and its very rare they will be using them.
Curse's have the added advantage of amazing neuts....
Strat is good... but not the end all
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.23 09:38:42 -
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No of course not. But if you are suspecious there is somebody out there you can use Combat probes (new sigs, etc.). I am using them and I have them currently deployed when I am daytripping to rat in anoms. This doesn't mean I have them necessarily deployed all the time, all over the system. ^^ I have a utility Hi on my ship, so no problem to press Scan from Time to time.
Because every hunter will find me easily on DS if you I'm doing anoms. They don't need my probes to know I am there. ;) And my probes can scan a whole system where DS is limited to 14.3AU.
Yes, I am usually solo daytripping in wormholes when I'm bored, so I have no scouts on all wormholes. Combat Probes help me to gain some time and I have seen over the last year one and the other ship on probes when they where not on DS. Of course luck. By the way since combat recon patch I have only seen 2 times a combat recon on my probes. Rook and the other time a Huginn. Sure there was a fleet behind them waiting / looking for me, either hiding behind a wormhole or already cloaky in the system. Guess they send their Combat Recon first, not knowing there are already probes deployed. But I know, this behaviour is very rare. I seldomly see combat probes in wormholes.
PS: I am flying sometimes Pilgrim and Curse as well, but usually when I already know who I am attacking, not for scouting and I would never use it for solo PVPing in Wormholes. Curse will be ****** if somebody is awaiting you on the other side, where at least Pilgrim can escape due to Covert Ops with some luck (depending on the camp). That's why I prefer Pilgrim, because solo without scouts. I randomly run into little camps with Interceptors, Interdictors and damage dealers, so that's nothing which is uncommon. But it's nothing which I see daily as well.
Pilgrim and Curse is more a fleet ship for me (at least I mainly use and see it in small fleets), where I find Stratios in a better role for solo hunting.
PS: Though Curse is a very nice ship for a specific PvE Role as well, but more for fun, than really that's it's useful in a special way ^^
PS2: I fly Pilgrim and Curse, because design is just awesome, even though it's a very old model. |
DaRiKavus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.24 12:57:15 -
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OP asks for a ship that can engage a single target whitout any risk to himself (specifically mentions ganking PVE ships)
Is this what Eve has become, a bunch of no skill, no honour players looking to stroke their epeen over ganks.
When I fall down the stairs drunk I dont call myself a stuntman, you people should not see what you are doing as anything more than PVE.
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Ruvin
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:11:39 -
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DaRiKavus
Not really , it always been like that . And i think thats completly fine (such ganks) are the reason why WH are dangerous . You know risk reward thingy , his the risk part .
On topic : Best is cloaky proteus , then i think stratios . Legion is fine (you can get it really tanky) but you will have rlly low dps , if his solo youl probably chew him . Astero is a great combat frigate hunting/camping relic sites .
Pilgrim is awesome also (never used it in wh)
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
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DaRiKavus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:42:56 -
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Ruvin wrote:DaRiKavus
Not really , it always been like that . And i think thats completly fine (such ganks) are the reason why WH are dangerous . You know risk reward thingy , his the risk part .
On topic : Best is cloaky proteus , then i think stratios . Legion is fine (you can get it really tanky) but you will have rlly low dps , if his solo youl probably chew him . Astero is a great combat frigate hunting/camping relic sites .
Pilgrim is awesome also (never used it in wh)
Nope.
Your argument carries all the weight of an anoerexic rizla. |
Ruvin
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:18:30 -
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DaRiKavus wrote:
Nope.
Your argument carries all the weight of an anoerexic rizla.
I gues your idea of pvp is 1v1 duels on the sun in 1.0 security system with 2 ppl in local , with the exact same skills and ships fits ?
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
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DaRiKavus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.24 17:27:31 -
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Ruvin wrote:DaRiKavus wrote:
Nope.
Your argument carries all the weight of an anoerexic rizla.
I guess your idea of pvp is 1v1 duels on the sun in 1.0 security system with 2 ppl in local , with the exact same skills and ship fits ?
rookie ships at dawn with neut logi |
Lloyd Roses
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Posted - 2015.03.24 20:27:55 -
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Ganking pve ships in c2/c3 space usually includes neuts. c2-ships are often fit to runa tank in the 200s-300s stable, ships for c3s are usually ready to tank 500-900/s, stable somewhere between 40% and 60%. Most are fit to apply damage to slowly orbiting ships at longer ranges, so whatever sigtanking you can get you should get (AB fits).
If you're aiming at c1/c2 space to gank, the best choice would actually be a confessor. Those tiny things can sigtank sufficiently while having significantly more dps than your targets will be able to tank. They also come with combat probes. Personally, I run a svipul with ~400dps and a t2 med shield booster and it usually doesn't even get dented doing that. Confessor works fairly identical, it will just be bad at killing armortanked pve-vagas and muninns. What a loss.
For c3 and up, see stratios/pilgrim as mentioned above. You just need either neuts against a strong local tank or a 100mn AB against RR gangs to bump them apart.
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infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:59:36 -
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DaRiKavus wrote:OP asks for a ship that can engage a single target whitout any risk to himself (specifically mentions ganking PVE ships) Is this what Eve has become, a bunch of no skill, no honour players looking to stroke their epeen over ganks. When I fall down the stairs drunk I dont call myself a stuntman, you people should not see what you are doing as anything more than PVE.
Competition in biology, ecology, and sociology, is a contest between organisms, animals, individuals, groups, etc., for territory, a niche, or a location of resources, for resources and goods, mates, for prestige, recognition, awards, or group or social status, for leadership.
Kill explorers for fat juicy loot....Call it whatever you like...PVP, PVE or ganking......doesnt matter. |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:18:40 -
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My advice for the solo WH PvP'er... It's a trap. It's always a trap. See that miner? That's a trap. That dumbass that warped at 20km to the hole? It's a trap. That AFK guy that bumped out of the FF? It's a trap. If you're going to take the bait and enter the trap, your best chance at living to see another trap is a Stratios flown cautiously. Don't take that to mean fly it like a wuss, just carefully. Also, you'll have the trap on your side as well when the other party says "See that solo Strat? It's a trap!" |
Justin Zaine
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Posted - 2015.03.29 08:50:34 -
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DaRiKavus wrote:OP asks for a ship that can engage a single target whitout any risk to himself (specifically mentions ganking PVE ships) Is this what Eve has become, a bunch of no skill, no honour players looking to stroke their epeen over ganks. When I fall down the stairs drunk I dont call myself a stuntman, you people should not see what you are doing as anything more than PVE.
Says the F1 monkey?
Quote:It's a trap. It's always a trap. See that miner? That's a trap. That dumbass that warped at 20km to the hole? It's a trap. That AFK guy that bumped out of the FF? It's a trap.
Bob favours the bold.
There's a big difference between deciding to engage something with the knowledge that it could be a trap, having a plan to act on in case one of his buddies decloaks beside you, and being too afraid to ever engage anything because you're paranoid of everything being a trap.
Speed and aggression. That is how solo in WH's is done. In my experience, If you have half a brain traps aren't very common. Yes, I have run into the occasional trap right off the bat but most of the time, the guys i'm camping only begin to bother setting up traps after i've hit them a third or fourth time.
On that note, I use a buffer fit Proteus with 4 Neutrons, 100m3 drone bay, cloak and a probe launcher. Gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 450 or 500 dps heated and so far I've found it sufficient for killing whatever I find. I'm kinda wary of engaging a site running T3's but i've shot at a bunch of other stuff and it's done pretty well.
In my experience if you're picking your targets right, you'll rarely, if ever, have to deal with enemy neuts. I fly a buffer fit and have yet to try out an active tank but I don't see why it wouldn't work, unless the active tank subs gimp dps.
If you are on the field long enough for enemy backup to arrive, you're doing it wrong. If you engage a target that has neuts, you're doing it wrong.
With those considerations in mind, active tank should work fine. I would avoid anything that doesn't fit a cov ops cloak like the plague unless it's being flown by an alt. With the range boost to neuts, Pilgrim is practically just as good for solo these days as the Curse is. At least in this context.
My final suggestion would be to go as cheap (While still maintaining effectiveness) as possible. Blinged out T3's are for small/large gang pilots where your individual mistakes don't potentially mean certain death. I rarely lose my ships in WH's but when I do, it's almost always to a blop (Read: Either picking a bad fight or getting blobbed on a WH after jumping through it.) In those cases of a 1v5 fight against other T3's, an expensive fit/pod won't save you. May as well put the extra isk into your next replacement ship and keep your losses low. You will lose both your ship and your pod eventually.
1. Proteus (Options 1 and 2 are close IMO) 2. Stratios or Pilgrim (Whatever is more convenient/cheaper) 3. Tengu or Loki 4. Legion (Abysmal dps with cloaky sub, limited to em/therm dps)
I would probably take the Astero for killing barges and defenseless pve'ers only, but honestly i've never flown one so I can't really say for sure.
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.
He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:43:09 -
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Justin Zaine wrote: My final suggestion would be to go as cheap (While still maintaining effectiveness) as possible. Blinged out T3's are for small/large gang pilots where your individual mistakes don't potentially mean certain death. I rarely lose my ships in WH's but when I do, it's almost always to a blop (Read: Either picking a bad fight or getting blobbed on a WH after jumping through it.) In those cases of a 1v5 fight against other T3's, an expensive fit/pod won't save you. May as well put the extra isk into your next replacement ship and keep your losses low. You will lose both your ship and your pod eventually.
1. Proteus (Options 1 and 2 are close IMO) 2. Stratios or Pilgrim (Whatever is more convenient/cheaper) 3. Tengu or Loki 4. Legion (Abysmal dps with cloaky sub, limited to em/therm dps)
I would probably take the Astero for killing barges and defenseless pve'ers only, but honestly i've never flown one so I can't really say for sure.
There#s much sanity in those words. The Astero is basically a very, very tanked set of web+scram with a tiny bit dps in it. |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2015.03.31 01:23:36 -
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To clarify, I was not saying you should never decloak, rather that if you assume you're going into a trap you won't be surprised if/when it actually turns out to be one and if/when it doesn't then you'll be pleasantly surprised and delighted with your KM as you go off in search of more unwitting tributes to Bob.
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Aeryn Maricadie
Periphery Bound
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Posted - 2015.03.31 01:35:19 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:
I would probably take the Astero for killing barges and defenseless pve'ers only, but honestly i've never flown one so I can't really say for sure.
The Astero would be handy if you need to scan down targets quickly, or if the target is another Astero. Bombers make good explorer hunters because of the no lock time and the small weapons can still get the job done even unbonused |
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Justin Zaine
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Posted - 2015.03.31 13:34:48 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:To clarify, I was not saying you should never decloak, rather that if you assume you're going into a trap you won't be surprised if/when it actually turns out to be one and if/when it doesn't then you'll be pleasantly surprised and delighted with your KM as you go off in search of more unwitting tributes to Bob.
I completely agree
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.
He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2015.04.01 18:20:44 -
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I was always a fan of the solo SB for messing with w-space people.
If you're not running the sites yourself a bomb + a few rounds of torpedos can shove a runner from just fine to completely screwed before the site guards can get you, then you run out and come back in under cloak to loot his stuff. Or just straight-up kill a miner, though some of that loot takes up significant space and it'd mostly be a for-grins kill. |
GordonO
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:53:33 -
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Startios is the way to go. You get way better dps from your drones. You loose some range on the neut but no point neuting at over 20km if you can't hold point at that range.
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