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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2015.03.20 02:31:57 -
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I've been playing on and off since '09. I wanted to take a moment to reflect on what I see as an erosion taking place in the game.
I did loads of PVE my first year or two. I mined in everything but a mining ship, ran missions up to level 4, lived in a WH, mastered scanning back when it was confusing(did all the exploration sites). I tried every bit of PVE content this game offered.
The whole while, I was in corporations dodging war declarations and trying to keep corps together. Every time I mined, flippers posed a risk. Every time I undocked, someone was baiting. If I smacked in local, I increased the chances of getting a war dec.
Even doing PVE, I could see the people doing interesting things. There was risk everywhere and it felt real.
At about two years, I was sick of shooting red crosses. I was still doing some exploration, but mostly just for cash. Even the social element of the game seemed boring to me because it revolved around the same dull activities. (Missions are like playing checkers against an opponent who makes the exact same moves each time.)
That is when I decided to try to kill some of the evil can flippers I had hated all that time. And I lost ships. And I had fun.
I had sweaty palms, a high heart rate, and no idea what I was doing. That was 500 kills ago now, but I still feel it every time I fight. I think the pvp aspect of this game is the best I have encountered.
4 years later, I still want to experience that high.
My first war dec was against a mining corp. We killed loads of them. Then they hired some tiny merc corp to attack us. But before the merc could dec us, we started giving the miners some pointers and made friends. Then the miners declared war on the mercs they had paid to attack us in order to help us out. I have no idea what the mercs thought. It was absolute numbnuttery, but I loved it.
My problem is this. I think PVE content in this game has a short life span. I can hardly think of a PVE based game that anyone plays for more than 2 years. However, when I look at empire space now that is the only content that is growing. Everything else is nearly gone.
The changes to crime watch have nearly eliminated pvp in the section of space where the vast majority of the players live. Nobody is facing threat and nobody is pvping. I think this is crazy. It's not Eve.
It's extremely hard to find a pick-up fight now. There are no war fleets in local., no funny smack talk, no canners, no baiters, and I'm seeing carebear corps who haven't had war secs.
I used to fly around in a shield rep osprey to get fights. I would find a fight and rep both sides while smacking in local about peace and brotherhood. Once one side would shoot, I'd change into something else and get a kill. I always wanted to kill both sides, but never pulled it off.
The only pvp I see left in high sec is suicide ganks which isn't worth my $15 a month.
My question is this: 1) as you force the high sec portion of eve (the majority)down the road of PVE... How long do you expect to keep these players? How long can someone legitimately play PVE in this game? Are these all 2 year players?
I think you are trading guys like me who would still be playing 6 years later for guys who want a PVE experience and are just looking to amass some isk and ships before the move on to another game.
What game will I be playing by the time you bring pvp back? I've been looking desperately to replace Eve for a while. The replacement isn't here yet, but it's coming.
Please give back the old crime watch mechanics and cheap war decs.
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Xayder
Purging Maelstrom Spaceship Bebop
321
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Posted - 2015.03.20 03:06:57 -
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Edit; yeH nvm didnt read the whole post
I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
120
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Posted - 2015.03.20 03:31:40 -
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You can't think of any PVE based games that last longer than 2 years??? What about the most successful games in the MMO market? You know, all of them?
Who is forcing high-sec players into PVE? I have one character that pvp's in a wormhole, and one that pvp's in high sec and several alts that do PVE in both. No one forces a gamestyle on you or anyone else.
What do you mean "when you bring back pvp"? CCP is making a change to null that will monumentally change the frequency of pvp in that space and the war dec system in high sec is far better than it was back in the day.
I think you don't get it. Also 500 kills in 4 years of pvp??? You are doing it wrong. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2015.03.20 04:08:01 -
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Have you tried... you know.... well... there's a thing... perhaps you've heard... been here for a long time.... I think highsec has always been like this... however, you should really look into that thing... it's been called many names... but I think it just...
LOW(er)SEC(urity) SPACE 420schwagy0l0n0scoped BOOM
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Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2015.03.20 04:36:43 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Have you tried... you know.... well... there's a thing... perhaps you've heard... been here for a long time.... I think highsec has always been like this... however, you should really look into that thing... it's been called many names... but I think it just... LOW(er)SEC(urity) SPACE 420schwagy0l0n0scoped BOOM But he might actually face competition in lowsec. Thats just too much risk for a highsec pvper. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4865
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Posted - 2015.03.20 04:48:44 -
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There are definitely opportunities for PVP in highsec, but they are much worse than they used to be.
For aggressors, there are less ways to initiate a fight with cunning, meaning you need to fall back on the sledgehammer of overwhelming numbers and suicide ganking.
For defenders - there's less ways to set believable traps to catch baiters.
As for leaving high - it's one option, but most of the prey is in high.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
872
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Posted - 2015.03.20 08:07:19 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:There are definitely opportunities for PVP in highsec, but they are much worse than they used to be.
For aggressors, there are less ways to initiate a fight with cunning, meaning you need to fall back on the sledgehammer of overwhelming numbers and suicide ganking.
For defenders - there's less ways to set believable traps to catch baiters.
As for leaving high - it's one option, but most of the prey is in high.
CODE and their sort limit themselves because of the prey they are looking to "fight'. Low and WH space are full of adversaries that you can actually fight.
Don't limit yourself. Get beyond the ganks and go looking for actual fights. There are plenty of folks out there looking to swap paint and ammo (most of them don't fly covetors).
I've been playing straight through since my born on date. I started as empire merc prey. Joined said mercs and had an absolute blast for several years (many thanks to Hans and all the other great folks I flew with). Moved to WH space and never looked back. WH space rich somewhat takes the edge off of the jitters that you speak of, but it's still there. Ditch empire and find a nice small gang wh corp and you'll see it's still a great game. |
Don Purple
Snuggle Society Snuggle Society.
1134
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Posted - 2015.03.20 08:24:31 -
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How long you sticking around this time mate? Hit me up in game.
I am just here to snuggle.
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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2015.03.20 10:05:50 -
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Ok, I think I clouded my assertion with attempts to slow the trolls.
This is a sandbox game. Most of the sandbox is in empire space. The vast majority of the players all play in empire space.
As empire is the experience to the majority of players, the state of empire is the state of the game.
Regardless of how you feel about the bad pirates, I am arguing that this game is changing from a game that included pvp into a game that has pvp features.
High sec is not as interesting as it was when there were people fighting everywhere. I think it's an erosion in the quality of the game. It affects most players.
Even if you are a miner and nobody is bothering you, war decs and smack talk are content. I liked that content.
Hi Purple. I'll see if I can find you next time I log on.
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:06:34 -
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It's high sec. It's not supposed to be perfectly safe, and it isn't. But it's not supposed to be a warground where people who currently prefer to avoid most PVP are being chased around by someone like you. There is some PVP stuff going on in highsec, but if that isn't what you're looking for specifically, then maybe you belong in a different region of space.
I've been playing on and off for longer than you have, and I have not a single PVP kill (and only a few deaths, iirc) to my credit... but I'm still here. Your "PVP content is the only content people will keep subscribing for" argument looks like it's just an attempt to cover up your "wah highsec isn't what I want it to be" complaint.
I mean, the very fact that highsec IS so busy should indicate that a lot of Eve's players don't care for the more constant and higher risk of other areas of space, at least not all the time, right? So what if some people who are choosing to avoid PVP burn out on PVE and unsub? Do you think if they were exposed to a bunch of the PVP that they are trying to avoid that a majority of them wouldn't unsub too? |
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1151
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:15:57 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:It's high sec. It's not supposed to be perfectly safe, and it isn't. But it's not supposed to be a warground where people who currently prefer to avoid most PVP are being chased around by someone like you. There is some PVP stuff going on in highsec, but if that isn't what you're looking for specifically, then maybe you belong in a different region of space.
I've been playing on and off for longer than you have, and I have not a single PVP kill (and only a few deaths, iirc) to my credit... but I'm still here. Your "PVP content is the only content people will keep subscribing for" argument looks like it's just an attempt to cover up your "wah highsec isn't what I want it to be" complaint.
I mean, the very fact that highsec IS so busy should indicate that a lot of Eve's players don't care for the more constant and higher risk of other areas of space, at least not all the time, right? So what if some people who are choosing to avoid PVP burn out on PVE and unsub? Do you think if they were exposed to a bunch of the PVP that they are trying to avoid that a majority of them wouldn't unsub too?
First: Every action taken in EVE = PVP. Also: Every assumption made in your post is nothing but that. An assumption. Wrong on top of that but in itself just an assumption. Hisec has become perfectly safe the last years resulting in subscription decline and loss of meaning/value of anything we do. NPC corp players that fit their ships slightly smart might aswel be NPC's themselves. People who are into EVE for PVE are not only sick but detract from the unique qualities the game has.
I'll leave it at that. Rant on.
D.
Darn, edit anyhow: PVE drones who are engaged by the game's deep meaningfull community driven core PVP have a good chance to be saved and stick arround forever, yes. What's your point again?
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4869
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:16:36 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:There are definitely opportunities for PVP in highsec, but they are much worse than they used to be.
For aggressors, there are less ways to initiate a fight with cunning, meaning you need to fall back on the sledgehammer of overwhelming numbers and suicide ganking.
For defenders - there's less ways to set believable traps to catch baiters.
As for leaving high - it's one option, but most of the prey is in high. CODE and their sort limit themselves because of the prey they are looking to "fight'. Low and WH space are full of adversaries that you can actually fight. Don't limit yourself. Get beyond the ganks and go looking for actual fights. There are plenty of folks out there looking to swap paint and ammo (most of them don't fly covetors). I've been playing straight through since my born on date. I started as empire merc prey. Joined said mercs and had an absolute blast for several years (many thanks to Hans and all the other great folks I flew with). Moved to WH space and never looked back. WH space rich somewhat takes the edge off of the jitters that you speak of, but it's still there. Ditch empire and find a nice small gang wh corp and you'll see it's still a great game.
Low is empty, and (outside C5 and higher) wormholes are pretty empty too. C5/C6 holes require much more preparation to attack.
Prey density is at least twenty times higher in highsec than most of low.
Signed - Someone that would live in low, if doing so was truly viable.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Ro Fenrios
Armilies corporation Balcora Gatekeepers
58
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Posted - 2015.03.20 12:17:47 -
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When looking for pvp, head to FW low sec. Watch out for Dem force recon ships...
....damit. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1192
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Posted - 2015.03.20 12:30:03 -
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I blame it on CCP pretty much endorsing wardec evasions.
It used to be a bannable action. Now its de riguer.
The safety switch didn't help, and neither did the recent corp safety switch, altho there are counters to that.
Hopefully with the new sov changes a lot of folks who normally wouldn't go into null will head on down and try their luck; combined with the jump and cyno changes I think the Big Blue Donut may get a lot less blue...;)
tldr It's all Ezwals fault.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Mikael Menethil
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2015.03.20 13:03:44 -
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You have lowsec and null to kill yourselves all you want. Thats THE open world pvp experience, unrivaled. Yet.
You want more pvp in highsec? Tell me more about your comfort zone and how I should play a sandbox game.
I know some factions with the same "convert or die" mentality. They're in the Middle East. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
855
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Posted - 2015.03.20 13:28:40 -
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A haiku:
We like to pew pew Join us in Red verses Blue F.C. L.P. too |
Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
10
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Posted - 2015.03.20 13:31:37 -
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I'll admit that I have not really tried pvp in high sec, it would be something that maybe fun should it be viable. Although by the very nature of this post it seems that it is less viable now than in the past.
Pvp in null sec on a solo basis is difficult at best due to blobs and low sec I find mainly lacking for solo type pvp too.
Everyone has their own styles of play, but as with everything if what you like to do gets diluted to the point that it isn't fun any more, whatever it is, be it pvp or pve then you will move on.
In saying that, I think if high sec life was that annoying that you have to deal with can flippers, easy wardecs and all those other things that make grieving easy then I think sub numbers would still drop as people would be so pissed off at being targeted that they would just move on anyway.
High sec needs to be safer than low, and low needs to be safer than null, but safer shouldn't mean safe. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
252
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Posted - 2015.03.20 14:09:59 -
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Danalee wrote:Amarrchecko wrote:It's high sec. It's not supposed to be perfectly safe, and it isn't. But it's not supposed to be a warground where people who currently prefer to avoid most PVP are being chased around by someone like you. There is some PVP stuff going on in highsec, but if that isn't what you're looking for specifically, then maybe you belong in a different region of space.
I've been playing on and off for longer than you have, and I have not a single PVP kill (and only a few deaths, iirc) to my credit... but I'm still here. Your "PVP content is the only content people will keep subscribing for" argument looks like it's just an attempt to cover up your "wah highsec isn't what I want it to be" complaint.
I mean, the very fact that highsec IS so busy should indicate that a lot of Eve's players don't care for the more constant and higher risk of other areas of space, at least not all the time, right? So what if some people who are choosing to avoid PVP burn out on PVE and unsub? Do you think if they were exposed to a bunch of the PVP that they are trying to avoid that a majority of them wouldn't unsub too? First: Every action taken in EVE = PVP. Also: Every assumption made in your post is nothing but that. An assumption. Wrong on top of that but in itself just an assumption. Hisec has become perfectly safe the last years resulting in subscription decline and loss of meaning/value of anything we do. NPC corp players that fit their ships slightly smart might aswel be NPC's themselves. People who are into EVE for PVE are not only sick but detract from the unique qualities the game has. I'll leave it at that. Rant on. D. Darn, edit anyhow: PVE drones who are engaged by the game's deep meaningfull community driven core PVP have a good chance to be saved and stick arround forever, yes. What's your point again?
ive been around about 10 years now, mostly as an industrialist and pve pilot, aside from my few times of war and going on killing sprees against gankers. I enjoy the pve and other activities, I have gotten more fun out of killing gankers then killing innocents or others I have no reason killing, I even have a special ship I made and named for ganking gankers. I just choose to do industry to contribute to society, and I do pve to run my 1 account and assist others.
Ive seen people drop off because they get ganked or take a jump into low sec and instantly die before they can experience anything past death.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2015.03.20 14:27:00 -
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Danalee wrote:First: Every action taken in EVE = PVP. Also: Every assumption made in your post is nothing but that. An assumption. Wrong on top of that but in itself just an assumption. [b]Hisec has become perfectly safe the last years resulting in subscription decline and loss of meaning/value of anything we do. NPC corp players that fit their ships slightly smart might aswel be NPC's themselves. People who are into EVE for PVE are not only sick but detract from the unique qualities the game has. I'll leave it at that. Rant on. D. Darn, edit anyhow: PVE drones who are engaged by the game's deep meaningfull community driven core PVP have a good chance to be saved and stick arround forever, yes. What's your point again?
Highsec quite obviously isn't "perfectly safe."
And SPEAKING of assumptions, you're assuming that something that isn't even true (highsec being "perfectly safe") is the cause of subscription declines and YOU not feeling meaning in any activity YOU undertake?
Yikes. I know better than to try to converse much with folks like you, so now it's my turn to leave it at that. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1153
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:01:45 -
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Amarrchecko wrote: I know better than to try to converse much with folks like you, so now it's my turn to leave it at that. I know better than to try to converse much with folks. I know better than to try to converse
I know, so the question remains, why are you here?
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1409
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:38:43 -
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pheear the Assuminati. They seek to pollute our precious bodily fluids.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Iain Cariaba
1167
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:40:59 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:Long winded whine post... Dude, are you even playing EvE? Flying spaceships with underwater physics in a universe where you can shoot whoever you want, provided you're willing to pay the consequences?
You want to pewpew in highsec? There are lots of options. Try ganking, duel random people, join RvB or one of the many highsec merc corps.
Alternately, embrace the concept of HTFU, leave your security blanket behind, and get out of highsec. Lowsec, w-space, and nullsec are full of people that will pewpew against you.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Mobadder Thworst
Covert Operations The Volition Cult
82
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:40:07 -
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I seem to have uncorked some T2 passive-aggressive emotions with my posts. Honestly, I hope everyone enjoys the game. I don't have a problem with PVE or null players.
As for what I've tried, I've tried a lot of the stuff you guys recommend. I tried RvB and it's good, but it got repetitive. There are loads of great players down there who know actual damage and maneuver technique.
I am headed to null because I can't find fights in high I've tried null and low half a dozen times and I always end up losing interest and quitting. I'm hoping I can get into it more this time.
My problem is that I don't really love pvp. Simply fighting is ok, but it's not the best part. To me, the best part is the smack talk, the deception, the luring, the hunting, the ship swapping, the confusion tactics, and the overall experience that ends with shots fired.
That's the part of the game that's gone. That's the part I miss. Fleet warfare might as well be PVE in my opinion.
For those who think high sec players are no good..
I used to fight null players when I was a CEO in the orphanage. 17 war decs a week against the largest alliances in the game...
My corp back then was called Light Adama.... Think our kill ratio was about 20 to 1. You can look it up on battleclinic. We were war decking as much of null as we could each week. We did ok.
Not to disparage null players, but skill doesn't come from the region you play in. It comes from an understanding of game mechanics. There are good players everywhere.
I miss high sec piracy. Many of you hate high sec pirates.
I think high sec piracy was a feature, many of you think it was a bug.
I think the game PVE content is the weakest content. Many of you love it.
My opinion remains. I am enjoying those who post against it.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
120
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Posted - 2015.03.21 12:02:45 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:Stuff
You haven't uncovered any emotions, you are just being called out on your completely dishonest premises.
You miss highsec piracy? Go to Uedama or Niarja some time, or Jita. You make outrageous claims about pvp, pve and lifestyles of most of the game base.
You are thinly disguising your "nerf High Sec" dissertation as a "concerned nostalgic player".
Get over yourself.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2205
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Posted - 2015.03.21 12:38:52 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:Stuff
You haven't uncovered any emotions, you are just being called out on your completely dishonest premises. You miss highsec piracy? Go to Uedama or Niarja some time, or Jita. You make outrageous claims about pvp, pve and lifestyles of most of the game base. You are thinly disguising your "nerf High Sec" dissertation as a "concerned nostalgic player". Get over yourself.
I flew with mo in my young stages of EVE life. He knows his shyte.
I'm Leto. Who the hell are you?
Edit: you all need to look at his history and kill boards. In the corp I was in with mobadder, we were pure lowsec piracy. No highsec security blanket. He isn't a whiner, and was good at teaching new pilots.
I agree with many of his points and that highsec needs a Nerf.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Mobadder Thworst
Covert Operations The Volition Cult
84
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Posted - 2015.03.21 13:26:27 -
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Leto, I'm going to tell everyone that you said something nice.
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Dsparil
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Hell's Pirates
0
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Posted - 2015.03.21 13:49:15 -
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I actually happen to agree and am going to type a civilized response.
High Sec is depleting. I guess there was enough crying from the carebears that CCP has decided to Mommy-Coddle them. I started bitching about it when the killrights thing became universal. Basically killed the purpose of concord and on top of that now we've got AWOXing coming to an end.
What originally attracted me to this game when I started playing like 3-ish or so years ago was the enormous risk involved in the game. It didn't matter where you went. It was a game for griefers and the risk that something could happen to you no matter where you went is what made it attractive. You didn't know what was waiting right around the corner so to speak. Now they're pushing very hard to make highsec safesec. AWOXing is gone. Killright mechanics have gone absolute full ****** and from what I've heard there's talk of wardecs being removed completely and any kind of pvp engagement being made impossible in high sec. If you're going to want pvp you'll have to go to low sec for faction warfare, K-Space or nullsec and put up with all the bullshit politics out there.
I'm sorry, but CCP better wake up and realize their game isn't that interesting for people stick around when the high sec mechanics are finally set up to Mommy-Coddle those who live there. People are going to leave in droves and that's the simple truth of it. There was a magazine article a few years ago that I had read before I joined the game that called EVE a game for "sociopaths and griefers" and that really is exactly what it was when I joined. the Griefers, pirates and assholes is what created the "risk" in the game and CCP is doing away with it arrogant thinking that the game will still have enough interesting value to keep people playing. Sorry but it wont. They've become a little too proud of this game and I don't think they're realizing that they're going to really stagnatize it.
I'm one of those people who absolutely hates nullsec, nullsec politics and giant fleets. Been there, done that and they really don't do it for me and I know I'm definitely not alone. Sorry but I don't get a thrill seeing my name on a killmail like 50 names down the list with 0.000001% dps contribution to an Apocalypse kill after having type "GF" in local for the billionth time with the FC screaming over coms to say only that or nothing at all.
All I can say to CCP is keep it up. Wont be long before I, and other people like me, are back in WoW camping the Stormwind gate, shooting lowbies and making them angry for the fun of it. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4088
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Posted - 2015.03.21 20:05:27 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
The Rules: 7. Discussion of real life religion and politics is prohibited.
Discussion of real life religion and politics is strictly prohibited on the EVE Online forums. Discussions of this nature often creates animosity between forum users due to real life political or military conflicts. CCP promotes the growth of a gaming community where equality is at the forefront. Nationalist, religious or political afiliations are not part of EVE Online, and should not be part of discussion on the EVE Online forums.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Mobadder Thworst
Covert Operations The Volition Cult
85
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Posted - 2015.03.21 20:38:02 -
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I think the large scale gank organizations are not sustainable.
I see it as a last act of defiance by the high sec pvp players... But which will die in time. I think a good replacement game would pull those players very easily.
Once you try high sec pvp, it's impossible to go back. I have tried to go be a carebear and it's just a grind.
Will Eve be better when the bad guys are only NPCs? It will come in time if they just keep doing what they're doing.
When I was new, I thought PVE was the game and the pirates were an unnecessary evil.
Then I tried piracy.
Then I realized piracy/PVP is the game and PVE is a necessary evil.
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King Aires
nomnomnom MOAR BABIES The Pursuit of Happiness
52
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Posted - 2015.03.21 23:26:35 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:I think the large scale gank organizations are not sustainable.
I see it as a last act of defiance by the high sec pvp players... But which will die in time. I think a good replacement game would pull those players very easily.
Once you try high sec pvp, it's impossible to go back. I have tried to go be a carebear and it's just a grind.
Will Eve be better when the bad guys are only NPCs? It will come in time if they just keep doing what they're doing.
When I was new, I thought PVE was the game and the pirates were an unnecessary evil.
Then I tried piracy.
Then I realized piracy/PVP is the game and PVE is a necessary evil.
WTF are you talking about. High sec PvP is far from dead. You just need to actually work a little for kills but the targets are plenty and the kills are beautiful.
You are just doing it wrong |
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