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Ren Oren
ArchTech Logistics and Trading
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:10:47 -
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GankYou wrote:Oh, you mean this thread gets attention now, because Zyd is at 1,150 ISK p/u and Megacyte 1.6k? http://i.imgur.com/88HDwPP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fvHSDO2.jpg My momma always said: Keep Zyd to Mega ratio at 3. CCP Fozzie comments today on o7 Show, can be found at 21:30 - http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/popout?videoId=a644494144 CCP Fozzie wrote:So it's more profitable... so that you don't need to ship in lowends, and you won't have such access of high ends, that drop the price. We want to give a similar ratio of minerals in nullsec to what you would use to do all the building.
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We're updating composition ratio of existing ABC ores and every existing ore in nullsecks. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûä GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûêGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûÇGûÆGûäGûäGûäGûÆGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûäGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûÆGûê GûæGûêGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÇGûæGûÇGûÇGûæGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûêGûÇGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê Continued, CCP Fozzie wrote:We need to actually catch up some of the industry in Eve to match the original goals for the consumption of minerals - one of the things that has been slowing down in nullsecks mining, is that the consumption of high ends - Megacyte and Zydrine wasn't as high as originally intended to be relative to everything else.
So, actually in our end of APRIL patch we are going to be, with a couple of small exceptions, doubling the usage of Megacyte and Zydrine in every blueprint in the game that has any of those. I did offer a One-time issue Analysis Paper for investors for a mere 450 mln ISK back on 21st of March. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûä GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûêGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûÇGûÆGûäGûäGûäGûÆGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûäGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûÆGûê GûæGûêGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÇGûæGûÇGûÇGûæGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûêGûÇGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûêGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûêGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûê GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûê
Sure that wasn't a April Fools joke, lol
Wow, so basically the same thing that happened to T3 subs, lovely :) |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
47
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:58:42 -
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It was hinted at during the March 2015 Fanfest, that some minerals would get increased consumption.
I've made a similar post with an addendum in my March thread in the Science & Industry section - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5634188#post5634188
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Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
25
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:06:42 -
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Do you guys remember when high end mineral prices were 4000 Megacyte and 1600 for Zydrine? Not that someone wasn't complaining back then, as always:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1039499 |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
49
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:09:12 -
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Everything is returning to equilibrium, as it should be - So It Will Be.
Told you not to go against markets at cyclical inflection points.
Anyone have any Mexallon lying around? Oh...
P.S. Don't be this guy - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=416309&find=unread Everything had been crystal-clear for the people with the eyes to see, as documented by yours truly. |
Faridah
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.04.02 08:22:51 -
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History have shown CCP tend to overshoot when it comes to 'minor adjustments' Megacyte and Zydrine prices will also overshoot, but not until some time after the changes.
Also, do some excel PvP on the mods that use those minerals. Some of them are still priced fairly low, like cynos.
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Theo Sotken
Mother Knows Best Corporation
34
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Posted - 2015.04.02 10:47:09 -
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Why make the nullsec ore changes AND the blueprint changes at the same time? Isn't there a new release cycle that allows CCP to make smaller changes and make further changes as needed.
But really I expect these changes are going to negatively hit lowsec worse than highsec. I guess time will tell. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
461
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Posted - 2015.04.02 11:05:01 -
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What I don't understand is that if you can get everything that you need to build from null sec ores then high and low sec ores should become useless. If you mine null sec ores to get the high end minerals and get a whole bunch of low end mins with them and move the high end ores to high sec then you'll have ass tons of low ends laying around that no one will have use for.
This whole thing just does not sound like it was thought out well. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
51
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Posted - 2015.04.02 11:08:54 -
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Theo Sotken wrote: But really I expect these changes are going to negatively hit lowsec worse than highsec. I guess time will tell.
Please elaborate.
You know, people used to actually mine in lowsec, when it was profitable to do so. I like it when people say dramatic things, which will turn out to be exactly the 100% opposite, only to divert attention from the real coming cataclysms.
Like Mexallon. |
Cpt Bunny
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.04.04 03:30:12 -
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In a related Story, Market Traders are wondering why the price Of Nocx has been dropping in the last two days, correcting itself from an artificial high or is there more to it? |
Adunh Slavy
1607
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Posted - 2015.04.04 05:00:47 -
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GankYou wrote: Zydrine and Megacyte are indeed a very small ratio of the rest, and it was somewhat fine, although very volatile, when Zyd and Megacyte were at 3600 ISK p/u and 5400 ISK p/u, respectively.
That was a long time ago, and were the hoped targets when drone poop was removed.
This time the market reaction has been a bit different, and more volatile. Spikes to 2K were slower to come, and supply to meet those spikes was also slower. The past two days have seen swings of ~1000 ISK in the secondary hubs, that pace was not observed last time.
The cause, who is to say, but interesting.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.04 14:46:09 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:GankYou wrote: Zydrine and Megacyte are indeed a very small ratio of the rest, and it was somewhat fine, although very volatile, when Zyd and Megacyte were at 3600 ISK p/u and 5400 ISK p/u, respectively.
This time the market reaction has been a bit different, and more volatile.
Price simply doubled on the manufacturing input news.
Quote:The past two days have seen swings of ~1000 ISK in the secondary hubs, that pace was not observed last time.
There were no such swings in Domain/Jita. Secondary hubs are illiquid, hence it was all over the place for a day or two.
http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=40#history
http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=39#history
Chart history goes back only 7 years.
See you this Summer. |
Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
25
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Posted - 2015.04.04 15:36:57 -
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GankYou wrote: Chart history goes back only 7 years.
Soem interesting stuff indeed...
Zydrine - Price History (2008-2015)
Buy order 2008-10-28: 2.5031,34
Zydrine
Megacyte - Price History (2008-2015)
Buy order 2009-08-25: 4.024,22
Megacyte |
Adunh Slavy
1607
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Posted - 2015.04.04 15:47:57 -
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GankYou wrote: There were no such swings in Domain/Jita.
My transaction log, over the past few days, would beg to differ, with regards to Domain.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
64
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Posted - 2015.04.04 16:28:58 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:GankYou wrote: There were no such swings in Domain/Jita.
My transaction log, over the past few days, would beg to differ, with regards to Domain.
People over-reacted a little in Domain by buying out the whole stock of Zyd there. It only lasted a few short hours, though.
P.S. Didn't want to bore you with several pages worth of transactions, so here:
http://i.imgur.com/8Agg100.jpg // http://i.imgur.com/8KC8TaK.jpg // http://i.imgur.com/fsXoXyJ.jpg
Quiet month ahead, see you around Summer time. |
Ren Oren
ArchTech Logistics and Trading
80
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Posted - 2015.04.04 20:51:12 -
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Megacyte just jumped to 2162
Zydrine followed jumping to 1997
Wowza |
Ren Oren
ArchTech Logistics and Trading
80
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Posted - 2015.04.04 21:36:59 -
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Update, Mega still holding @ 2159.44 - 1950.06
Zydrine was a flash in the pan, it jumped for a moment then quickly fell back to 1540.00-1080.54 (Probably going to pre-evening jump levels)
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
66
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Posted - 2015.04.04 21:54:40 -
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Still satisfying demand in Domain.
GûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä GûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûÇGûÇGûä GûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûæGûæGûê GûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûêGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûê GûæGûÇGûÆGûäGûäGûäGûÆGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûäGûäGûêGûæGûæGûæGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûäGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûÆGûê GûêGûÆGûêGûæGûêGûÇGûäGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûÆGûê
Pyerite @ 1.45 bn Units under 13 dumped in Amarr - first time I'm seeing this kind of volume for this mineral in Domain region. |
Max Powerhausen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.04.04 22:27:15 -
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Only 503,647 of mega left in glorious Providence, someone(s) brought almost all of it
http://i.gyazo.com/ae9fc3f782fade1f24a4ada13b7b8397.png |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
68
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Posted - 2015.04.05 02:16:53 -
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Judging by the buy orders, the price must've been decent. I've been to Catch and Stain on the 28th, as I've mentioned earlier, Zyd and Mega were around 450/750 in sov space, thin volume however.
I think demand has been duly satisfied throughout the week and today especially - Any higher, without lowends rebalancing lower, and Tech 1 production stops. Renters should be scrambling to farm as much ABC as they can before the end of April, and dump it on the market.
The aroma of ISK in the morning. Ahh. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
69
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Posted - 2015.04.05 19:24:15 -
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Since the move has finished, time to recap:
Megacyte: Since having bottomed around 694 ISK p/u, it moved 1406 ISK during the month of March and first week of April, setting a avg. bid high of 2,100 ISK p/u. This highend mineral retraced all of it's decline since the Spring-Summer of 2014.
Zydrine's advance from the lows around 395 ISK p/u set a new multi-year high around 1488 ISK p/u in the same time period - a 1093 ISK move! This marks prices never seen since the Summer of 2013.
Price retracement throughout the month is likely, as current manufacturing consumption does not yet reflect the bid price, along with new supply becoming readily available and in large quantities, as nullsec entities scramble to farm these two minerals.
Sources used: Fuzzywork.co.uk market data, High bid values; Eve-markets for macro analysis. |
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Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2015.04.06 00:21:18 -
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This should be interesting. In the old days, before the drone regions, Zydrine was regularly around 3300-3700 and Megacyte was like 4400. But logistics of getting high ends to Jita were very different back then.
The big thing is, if the devs are really going to give null sec folks all the low ends they need to build then there won't be any reason to drag high ends to empire except for profit. No more bringing it in and hauling out compressed low ends to build titans. It will only be brought in because it is "OMG Profit" to do so.
Also, now the logistics are easier of moving stuff from null to empire via jumping but now there is an ISK cost whereas before all it required was a grunt willing to haul. And there is jump fatigue now.
Any thoughts on these things?
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
70
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Posted - 2015.04.06 00:59:15 -
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Traedar wrote: The big thing is, if the devs are really going to give null sec folks all the low ends they need to build then there won't be any reason to drag high ends to empire except for profit.
Exactly that.
Jump Freighters currently carry useful cargo both ways. Of course, on big Mega/Zyd shipments, there will always be a JF available. For the right cut.
Quote:No more bringing it in and hauling out compressed low ends to build titans. It will only be brought in because it is "OMG Profit" to do so.
Just like the Good Old Days. Poking Arkonor in a Miner II-fit Thorax, then hauling it back to Empire in a frig-ceptor.
Freelancers will be supplying the high ends.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1235
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:15:13 -
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I remember this vividly. It was when the Drone Poo nerf was announced. I was buying up Zydrine and Nocxium in a small/medium market/mission hub. But the speculators crashed it before it hit my price point. Was one of the few times I've ever actually lost a significant chunk of isk on speculation and/or market manipulation.
Fun times.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Fzhal
Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers.
5
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:04:36 -
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GankYou wrote:No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. It would still be more efficient for null to mine the high end ores and import the lows. In order to accomplish their goal, they'd have to change the mineral composition of the high end ores themselves. And that is what I think they are going to do. You don't have to take out much Zyd/Mega to compensate for adding a large volume of low ends to the ore composition.
Another Fozzie related quote I remember is him saying something to the affect of, "We have to balance for the good of the whole game and not just one area." I think a secondary goal for them will be to revitalize low-sec mining. If null is going to use most of their Zyd/Mega, where is high sec going to get it, low-sec? (If they do it smartly, CCP will account for mission loot reprocessing as well.) But I hope that they realize that low-sec's lack of mining has always been due to a number of human factors. A decade ago, when high end minerals weren't so abundant and low sec mining was nearly worth it, people still didn't mine in low because the returns were a bit too low when coupled with the typical lazy roid-ripping mentality. However, with faction war and highly organized low-sec corps, today's low-sec is now a nightmare compared to what it used to be. With the inefficiencies of ninja mining (dock-up time), low sec ores would have to be worth 3-6 times more than what you can get in high sec.
I think that high-sec ores will take a dive and CCP will again be using medium and high end minerals to bait more people to null security. Remember, they have always said that they want more people in null, always. I think this is because they believe that null's necessary camaraderie keeps players around for longer, which is understandable.
I've noticed that the markets are seem to be in limbo, with the number of buy orders down along with their prices. And that isn't because they are increasing Zyd/Mega usage in BPOs by whatever amount, as anyone can predict what that will do. No, everyone knows that the fate of this 2015's market is hinging on how they implement the null sec ore changes. The people in the best position to profit off of this situation now are those with good knowledge of the mineral volumes (including manufactured exports) that are exported to null. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
73
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:21:29 -
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Fzhal wrote:GankYou wrote:No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec.
How will it become dirt cheap without people having mined it in the first place?
Good luck exporting Mega/Zyd to Hisec that is needed for your own production.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Fzhal
Anoikis Vergence The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:33:48 -
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GankYou wrote:Fzhal wrote:GankYou wrote:No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. How will it become dirt cheap without people having mined it in the first place? Good luck exporting Mega/Zyd to Hisec that is needed for your own production. Because that is all that the high-sec miners can safely mine. They will mine it because 6 mil an hour is better than ninja mining at 30 mil an hour and losing a 250 mil ship every week or two. The vast majority of high-sec miners are risk averse. If high end ore content remains the same (but low-end roids are added), while Mega/Zyd BPO usage goes up, null miners would be more efficient to continue to mine Mega/Zyd in large quantities, use the higher profits to beef up their low-end importation, which would land them back in the same situation they are trying to "fix". |
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:38:22 -
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You said lowends will become dirt cheap without Nullsec having mined them in the first place due to, in your opinion, fail-of-an-implementation in Nullsec ore changes.
Is a contradiction.
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:52:15 -
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GankYou wrote:You said lowends will become dirt cheap without Nullsec having mined them in the first place due to, in your opinion, fail-of-an-implementation in Nullsec ore changes. Is a contradiction. I do not see the contradiction. I've been very specific in my use of ore and minerals, but perhaps you didn't pick up on it. My argument is that they will change the mineral content of high-end ores.
Fzhal wrote: I disagree with you. It would fail if they simply added large quantities of low ends to the null belts because the highest volume low ends would be dirt cheap in High-Sec. It would still be more efficient for null to mine the high end ores and import the lows. In order to accomplish their (CCP's) goal, they'd have to change the mineral composition of the high end ores themselves. And that is what I think they are going to do. You don't have to take out much Zyd/Mega to compensate for adding a large volume of low ends to the ore composition.
If Null miners get low-end minerals when mining the ABC ores, they won't need to import as much low end compressed ore. But high-sec miners will be left mining what they currently have. Since Null currently imports most of their low end minerals from High, the change will mean a surplus because null doesn't need to import it anymore. |
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Posted - 2015.04.07 18:25:59 -
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Fzhal wrote: If Null miners get low-end minerals when mining the ABC ores, they won't need to import as much low end compressed ore.
CCP Fozzie wrote:So it's more profitable... so that you don't need to ship in lowends, and you won't have such access of high ends, that drop the price.We want to give a similar ratio of minerals in nullsec to what you would use to do all the building.
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We're updating composition ratio of existing ABC ores and every existing ore in nullsecks.
More Tritaniumz in ABC? I don't think so.
Rather, less ABCs, more of the rest, so that people won't have the choice but to mine lowends, after they cherry pick all of the ABCs out.
Of course, some brilliant people will be selling their Mega/Zyd with ISK in their eyes. And then rebuying it from Empire at a premium in either hulls, modules, or both.
Quote:But high-sec miners will be left mining what they currently have.
Tough luck. Hisec mining is/should be like level 1 thru level 2 missions.
Is a shame that Level 4 missions in the same Hisec are skewing risk-reward/time for all other activities - but what can you do. vOv
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Posted - 2015.04.07 19:07:00 -
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GankYou wrote:Fzhal wrote: If Null miners get low-end minerals when mining the ABC ores, they won't need to import as much low end compressed ore.
More Tritaniumz in ABC? I don't think so. Okay, you got me there, I should have said null ores. Regardless, CCP wants null to have less excess, and that means that high sec won't see as much Mega/Zyd imported or low end minerals exported. That is a double whammy... Make that a triple whammy, since they are drastically increasing Mega/Zyd requirements in almost all BPOs.
GankYou wrote:No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are.
When you said that, I thought you meant that you expected them to add veldspar roids to null belts...
GankYou wrote:Fzhal wrote:But high-sec miners will be left mining what they currently have. Tough luck. Hisec mining is/should be like level 1 thru level 3 missions. No argument there...
Overall, I agree that this has high potential to revitalize Eve. The problem will be that they are changing so many things in Null at once, that they will have trouble 1) figuring out root causes 2) tweaking one system without negatively impacting the others.
Yep, within the next 3-5 releases they are going to be re-sculpting everything that is 0.0. This is going to be one of the biggest events in Eve's history.
Upcoming Changes: Null belts/ore content (has put the markets in limbo) Null mineral increase in BPOs Structures, which primarily affect Null (specifically, ship safety will be re-defined no matter how hard they try to keep it the same) Sovereignty mechanics
This is too much at once. There will be too much noise/interplay between these new systems to the point that CCP is will be unable to pinpoint the right things to tweak among all the changes that were made in null's interconnected ecosystem. |
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