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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.29 22:25:17 -
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Every once in a while I will stroll by to see if the zoo has churned out a smart ape.
Nope.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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Tazinas2
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:45:32 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Tazinas2 wrote:Lol, my point exactly. The high end market has been out whack for so long theres just so much out there. I think ccp did these changes just so those two minerals didn't go to effective zero. And the poster above who said he didn't think mining could double, the way prices were going they were already mining over what was needed because those prices just continued to fall. One guy in this thread predicts 3700 megacyte??!! Sorry folks that's a pipe dream. It has happened before, and it isn't clear that mining can double. The fact that there is a guy with a huge amount of high ends does not mean mining will double. That isn't even evidence in the slightest. Look at the name of the can, its called speculation...he may very well have bought it off the market. Also, there are other things like the impact of Fozziesov on the market as well. Some places might be able to keep high industrial indexes, others not so much. It is important to distinguish between what is theoretically possible and what is actually likely to occur.
Mining does NOT need to double. Prices prior to patch were in freefall before the speculation so that would imply oversupply already. I personally wish I could get 3000+ for my stockpile of megacyte and zydrine so I don't say this with happiness. Before there was roquals and hulks and orcas, highends were priced high. Nowadays you have nullbears doing nothing but farming to plex their accounts and this is why highends will never get as high as some here think they will. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2811
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Posted - 2015.04.30 03:23:47 -
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Tazinas2 wrote: Mining does NOT need to double. Prices prior to patch were in freefall before the speculation so that would imply oversupply already. I personally wish I could get 3000+ for my stockpile of megacyte and zydrine so I don't say this with happiness. Before there was roquals and hulks and orcas, highends were priced high. Nowadays you have nullbears doing nothing but farming to plex their accounts and this is why highends will never get as high as some here think they will.
No, I suppose considering both changes really it would need to quadruple to keep price about the same. Yes, there was enough high ends being produced in null to send the price down quite a bit. The point of the patch is to correct for that. So if null miners do not change their behavior the amount of zyd/mega would drop by half. With the change to BPOs/BPCs that is like cutting the amount of zyd/mega in the asteroids in half again.
Now, null miners could respond by mining much, much more. But I doubt it will be enough to offset the patch. You have staked your position on one that is at the extreme edge. That's fine, I just find that outcome being rather unlikely.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
207
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Posted - 2015.05.01 08:00:31 -
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Sweet, sweet Zydrines - http://i.imgur.com/5wmmL1e.png
EvilweaselSA wrote:GankYou wrote:I may have been wrong in my earlier technical analysis of Zydrine. considering that technical analysis is completely discredited nonsense, yes, you will frequently fail to predict the future using it
I'll be sure to relay the informations to the King once my time in this world is done.
Third leg down may now be truncated, which marks a turn - The land lubbers will soon be able to afford 3,000 ISK Megacyte and 2,100 Zydrine, as the prices of Pyerite, Tritanium, Isogen return to their historical means, with Mexallon in free fall.
See you this Summer, and be sure to research those Entosis BPOs thoroughly - http://i.imgur.com/2Miz2bg.png
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
405
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Posted - 2015.05.19 20:17:31 -
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Welp, that escalated quickly.
http://imgur.com/a/uHb7l#0
Professionals at work - 58 mil unit Megacyte Sell order. Gÿ¦
Megacyte: http://i.imgur.com/blGPzZt.png
Likewise for Zydrine. Complex corrections are... complex.
Unfortunate.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
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joyous the
Slippery Penguin The Crystal Palace
85
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Posted - 2015.05.19 20:38:03 -
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My coats ruby red, what's yours? Silver and green? v0v |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2958
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Posted - 2015.05.19 20:42:11 -
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That cannot continue indefinitely though. The supply of megacyte or zydrine in people's hangars is ultimately finite and as a result while portions those supplies can be dumped at various intervals it wont keep the price from moving to its final equilibrium/steady state price.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
405
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Posted - 2015.05.19 20:57:29 -
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It is not fun that way, Mr Pech.
http://i.imgur.com/XcqT8oE.png
Buy at i, ii, Sell at 1, 2 - had to do a little distribution on the second one.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2959
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Posted - 2015.05.19 21:28:14 -
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Periodic profit taking is not going to slow things down forever either.
Depends on what you are in for, some short term gains? Good luck, you'll likely make some isk if you are careful and have a bit of luck.
Holding longer term so that current inventories are eventually whittled away and prices return (for mega) so somwhere in the 3,000+ range ...might take some time, but we'll get there.
Consider this, in 2014 the average amount of megacyte on the market was around 27-28 million/day and the average price was 1,222 and in the last half of the year the average amount on the market was just under 28.7 million with with an average price of 984.
Back in 2009 (unfortunately my source only covers November and December) the quantity was around 16.4 million with an average price of 3,258. If we limit ourselves to those days where the quantity was below 13,500,000 we see an average price of 3,565.
Consider that the amount of megacyte and zydrine have been cut in half in anomalies and that the BPO requirements have been doubled...a price of 3,200 for megacyte is probably a tad conservative. Yes, there might be more mining, but I don't think there will be that much more mining.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
405
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Posted - 2015.05.20 08:16:27 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Periodic profit taking is not going to slow things down forever either.
I'd call it periodically - taken in full & total.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
440
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:12:48 -
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The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116.
Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png
Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding.
Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1.
The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train.
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Race Leader
Seikai no Monsho
4
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Posted - 2015.05.28 08:30:56 -
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GankYou wrote:The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train.
Please help this unfortunate soul understand what you are saying, layman's term pls.
I really need to study English more... |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2146
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Posted - 2015.05.28 09:28:22 -
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Studying English won't help you at all.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Tazinas2
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.05.28 23:48:53 -
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GankYou wrote:The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train.
I really hope you are right, I got zydrine and megacyte from the last drone poo speculation that was mined years ago and im really itching for my 500B isk. :)
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
440
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Posted - 2015.05.29 11:15:04 -
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Race Leader wrote:GankYou wrote:The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. Please help this unfortunate soul understand what you are saying, layman's term pls. I really need to study English more...
Survey the wastelands of Aridia - there be golds there, son.
Tazinas2 wrote:GankYou wrote:The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. I really hope you are right, I got zydrine and megacyte from the last drone poo speculation that was mined years ago and im really itching for my 500B isk. :)
With 151 million units of MegaZyd, YOU are the market maker now - don't ever forget it, if you want to see your 500 or 700bn.
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Tazinas2
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.05.29 13:53:19 -
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GankYou wrote:Race Leader wrote:GankYou wrote:The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. Please help this unfortunate soul understand what you are saying, layman's term pls. I really need to study English more... Survey the wastelands of Aridia - there be golds there, son. Tazinas2 wrote:GankYou wrote:The Zig-Zag corrections in both Zydrine and Megacyte have satisfied the 38.2% retracement of the advance off record lows in late 2014-YC116. Megacyte - http://i.imgur.com/8glovbW.png Levels for Zydrine are 38.2% = 1139 ISK, 50% = 997 ISK, 61.8% = 854 ISK. The correction in both of these minerals has finished, sudden 150 million units of Megacyte in a personal hangar discoveries notwithstanding. Wave 3 will be the longest by duration, and should be 1 to 2.618x times the price movement of Wave 1. The person with 21 million units buy order at 1111 ISK p/u for Zyd may be missing the train. I really hope you are right, I got zydrine and megacyte from the last drone poo speculation that was mined years ago and im really itching for my 500B isk. :) With 181 million units of MegaZyd, YOU are the market maker now - don't ever forget it, if you want to see your 500 or 700bn.
Not really I know of multiple people with more of those minerals than I do. I believe your market predictions, however I think it will be years before we get there. Im assuming theres thousands of other people with stockpiles similar to mine that have been a dead weight in their hangars for years. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
440
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Posted - 2015.05.29 13:55:20 -
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Thousands of people with stockpiles like yours makes for a worrisome scenario.
Sell now.
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Maverick Tiberius Kirk
Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:21:43 -
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Hmm interesting that these 2 went up and none of the others did |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Create Alliance
592
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Posted - 2015.05.29 18:04:49 -
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Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread).
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Vibiana
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.06.03 10:36:55 -
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I wonder, does current mining actually yeld enough said minerals to satisfy current demand? Does bumping up cunsuption/production ratio by x4 makes it "balanced"?
Or we will see in next half a year, that 60 or 70 % of cost of every t1 item is detemined by cost of said "balanced" minerals? |
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
463
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Posted - 2015.06.03 16:59:09 -
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Consumption doubled, supply went down by three times.
Stockpiles aside, a fair price for Zydrine now would be 400 * 2 *3 = 2,400 ISK p/u, Mega 700 * 2 * 2.5 = 3,500 p/u. Just a rough estimate - someone pull the old anomaly volumes and start multiplying.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v3.pdf
My Entosis goes soisoisoi with old Battleship input levels - Nocxium will also benefit in the medium term and should stay above 550 p/u for awhile. (G£+GùáGÇ+Gùá)
Megacyte takes up around 6.5% of the cost in most production, Zydrine 12-15% by costs and Tritanium still 28-30% in cruisers/BC with strong 30% in Battleships.
What will happen is that MegaZyd can't physically be sourced any cheaper, anywhere, while Trit can be, so it will go down and be displaced by Highends. sç+(GèÖGûéGèÖG£û )
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Kisle
AGM Incorporated Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2015.06.04 13:18:05 -
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Well, still your supply part is guess. You don't know if some of the annoyed miners got back to work after the price went up etc. Too bad we have no more of those awesome extra specific statistic tweets by one of the CCP staff member (forgot his name, but it was awesome statistics). |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
467
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Posted - 2015.06.04 20:05:54 -
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Volumes are a known quantity - let them double, triple down to cycle the anomalies even more frequently, if it's at all possible, and bring me even more decently-priced MegaZyd, because at the rate that I'm doing Entosis modules, I'll be out of Highends by the end of the current month.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
471
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Posted - 2015.06.06 07:23:10 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread).
Not sure if serious.
Ore anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a few hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices.
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Tazinas2
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2015.06.06 16:43:00 -
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GankYou wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). Not sure if serious. Mercoxit Ore Anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices.
Just an observation--somebody put a sell order up of 500k units morphite for 14,999,999 p/u. With my skills this order alone costs 70 billion isk just in fees! |
Poxs62
StarTrucks Prometheus Allegiance
2
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Posted - 2015.06.06 17:44:10 -
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Tazinas2 wrote:GankYou wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). Not sure if serious. Mercoxit Ore Anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices. Just an observation--somebody put a sell order up of 500k units morphite for 14,999,999 p/u. With my skills this order alone costs 70 billion isk just in fees!
if oyu ask me its a random 9 sat in there or 2 :)
What is funny is i can actually imagine how he feeling the moment that the 50 or so billion brokers fee left his wallet, after all wasnt' that long ago that i slipped and sold a 5.5bill ship for 2mill lol :) (see the rattler victory edition history for my sell order) |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
472
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Posted - 2015.06.06 22:30:30 -
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Tazinas2 wrote:GankYou wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Morphite has gone up a fair bit too, but there are reasons behind the price increases (read the thread). Not sure if serious. Mercoxit Ore Anomaly volumes were reduced by 6 times on average - Morphite is going to be north of 20k p/u in the future. I picked a hundred k for personal use at reasonable prices. Just an observation--somebody put a sell order up of 500k units morphite for 14,999,999 p/u. With my skills this order alone costs 70 billion isk just in fees!
If it was/is indeed at 14.99 mil p/u, the order's worth is 7,499,999,500,000, even at broken fee of 0.1%, it would be 7,499,999,500.
This entity just wiped any profit it may have had, even if the Morphite was acquired at 4,500 ISK p/u levels - a loss 9 times greater than the projected profit.
Mostly likely a fat finger.
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Buji Hundan
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.06.07 01:08:34 -
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Probably more like 23B+ with good standings. Sucks for that guy. Probably came back after being away for a few months and was like "Wow, I made some good ISK off those Genolution implants. Maybe I should buy and sell a little Morphite while I'm here. ****." |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
473
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Posted - 2015.06.07 11:09:17 -
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I just bought 5 mil of Zyd and 2.2 mil of Megacyte in a "Freeport" Sov nullsec station at 600 & 1050 ISK p/u.
Losing my marbles erryday.
Awoxed stash, of course - no such volumes are being mined or sold freely.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
593
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:21:08 -
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If any of you would fill those 1460 p/u sweet, sweet Zydrineh buy orders - it's nbd.
We'll understand.
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