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Edward Harris
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.03.22 13:12:46 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:You voted for a man, not a ticker.
If I may make a comparison - thats like the church announcing "Al" become the new pope, and after "Al" is elected, he lets everyone know that he will now join the Muslim religion and has been planning to do so for a year - but ofc he states he will continue to represent the christian community.
What Corbexx did is fine in Eve-terms - but the CSM should be beyond the bullshit meta. I expect the CSM to look out for the voters interests, and not their own..
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Abla Tive
94
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Posted - 2015.03.22 14:55:48 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:You voted for a man, not a ticker.
Indeed, and I would like to thank Corbexx (the man) for an effective demonstration of his honesty and integrity.
This demonstration is an effective response to any players who look to Corbexx to fairly represent their interests.
And, by extension, fully incorporates the CSM as being dominated by the EVE metagame, rather than being an honest attempt to improve the game for all.
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Hali-Marmora
2
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Posted - 2015.03.22 15:01:07 -
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He obviously waited as he did not want to lose the wh vote. |
Samantha Calderon
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
4
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Posted - 2015.03.22 15:14:49 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:You voted for a man, not a ticker. A man who worked hard over the past year and kept in constant communication with folks or have you thrown all the work he did with round-tables and such out with the change in his alliance/corp?
So the goons crowed about a PR coup. So what? Poor things needed a boost after failing to get any candidates in as permanent seats,
I have worked with Corbexx for a year and I do not doubt for a single moment that he will continue to represent wormholes and, more importantly, THE WHOLE DAMN GAME.
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Mike, i understand your PoV, you know the guy personally, and in your own analisys, you think that Corbexx will keep representing the WH comunity. But his actions showed a certain bad faith (the pancake move of moving to CFC), and now beign part of a big powerblock cast some shadows on his future actions. His retutation to the WH is now tarnished. I voted him for his past actions, not his corp or ticker, but his present action makes me to doubt in voting him in the next election. |
CivilWars
Rolled Out Diplomatic Immunity.
280
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Posted - 2015.03.22 15:33:05 -
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I remember a time when w-space was EVE on impossible level settings. Now it is just tears online. HTFU.
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Jessica Asakira
Firefly Trading Inc
0
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:31:36 -
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Peter Moonlight wrote:Zraqu Cirta wrote:Peter Moonlight wrote:Michael1995 wrote:Steven Hackett wrote:Now, make sure to rework WH PVE with all the experience you have from your alt farming corporations.. Something something wants to remove C5 escalations completely))) Lol if he did, they would kick him from goons.. Then again Repercussus has C6 farm with a lot of dudes so maybe all goons switch to C6 so we can farm them. You sound mad. Haha you sound mad bro, maybe your farmhole had a bad day at some point.
U mad to a u mad comment. Quality comeback for a 4 year old.
In other news, it really doesn't matter who Corbexx flies with so long as he continues to represent wormhole space. Granted, the transition could probably have been done more tactfully, seemed like it was set up long in advance. But Corbexx is still the same person, still a decent guy, and I'm hopefully for what he will continue doing in the CSM. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:38:09 -
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corbexx wrote:So first yes Corbexx will be joining goonswarm.
I'll be playing more on my alts now than him, which I was sort of doing anyway. One of the main issues of being on the the CSM is that when ever you log in you get bombarded with convos and mails. It makes it actually hard to play the game I enjoy very hard.
I'll still be in w space with my alts in several wormhole's. As alot know I have characters in 4 different wormholes so please don't think just cos Corb is in goons I won't be in W-space.
I'll still be working for W space so dont worry there.
I have a couple idea's and projects lined up already on stuff i'd like to start with.
If you don't like the work then don't be on the CSM? Just a thought. Not sure the correlation between this and joining the goons is.
Looks like the goons are looking to expand their rental empire is W-space. Target NoHo maybe?
I guess betraying the wormhole community will cut down on the convos and mails.
The statement "I'll still be working for W space should read "I'll still be working for W space following the goon agenda".
If this is such a non-issue why didn't you say anything before the vote. No need to answer, everyone already knows.
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Laurici
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
76
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:45:23 -
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Firstly, nomadbro. Play the game you want to play.
However, having stayed with you at fanfest, the way in which you did this was pretty ****. I remember we were talking about doing this as a joke over a beer on the first day of fanfest. You made myself and the rest of NoHo who went to the panel and cheered for you look a bit silly when two minutes later you announce you're leaving.
You've done a lot of work whilst on the csm, and I'm sure you will continue to do so. However, diploing for goons will take time and that time will come from your csm activities.
To those stating the man > ticker, please could you also send this opinion to mittens as he seems very proud of having 4 CFC csm members. I'm sure he will send his regards. |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
565
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Posted - 2015.03.22 17:09:47 -
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corbexx wrote:I'll still be working for W space PvE, farming dankly with my alts, like I have been, so dont worry there. What's new? Anyway, thanks for your service previously. I heard it was great. This move, though, is quite shameful. People SHOULD vote for the man, his platform, and his ticker. They're all relevant to your campaign and what got you your w-space votes. But, you know, whatever. Just gonna go back to shooting pixels at pixels now. |
Kynric
Sky Fighters
271
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Posted - 2015.03.22 17:44:50 -
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The ballot and election results both included the corp. Perhaps they should not but they did and it was "corbexx of noho" that got elected and not simply "corbexx." It does seem a rather impossible situation to build rules around but it does beg the question why did the candidate introduction from ccp, the ballot itself and the election results all include the corp?
My concern is the conflict of interest. In this coming year when it will be decided which structures apply to wspace and which only to null it would be nice if we had a representative that did not also have an interest in null getting the best deal possible. If we can upgrade a system, what our homes are like, how our assets are protected, arrays that change intelligence results / dscan, what harvesting, science and manufacturing are allowed are all vital questions for our future and in some cases a win for wspace will not be a win for goons. As such corbexx has placed himself in a difficult situation. Lets hope that next year we have two strong candidates on the council so we are not as vulnerable to this sort of shennanigan. |
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2015.03.22 19:24:26 -
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HAHAHA. This thread.
P0l0tics.
Duped.
Eve... Eve never changes.
( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1892
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:31:07 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:You voted for a man, not a ticker. Half true at best. Personally, I thought CSM X work be dominated by null blocs so it would be good to have a wormhole independent. That didn't work out so well, did it? As for the man, Corbexx evidently thought it a good idea to deliberately taunt the people who put him back on the CSM, as well as bring the meta deep into the CSM. So that's not working out too well either.
Mike, I wonder how your core constituents would feel if you chose to join CODE the day after the announcement. You could try the 'man, not ticker' line but I'm not convinced it would work.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
1286
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Posted - 2015.03.22 21:09:17 -
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Well played, dear Sir, well played <3
I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY
Youtube: /asayanami
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The Anthology
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
2150
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:46:31 -
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Dude steals 600B ISk of carebears: instant celebrity. Dude AWOXes Revenant: instant celebrity. Dude makes piles of terrible youtube videos showing how bad he is at EVE: instant celebrity. Dude takes your votes, stuffs them up your date sideways and defects to goons: terrible person who must die alone in old age surrounded only by three-legged mangy cats and leprous dogs.
This is metagaming at it's best, and you all got played so hard you've got a trail of TP sticking out the back of your pants.
Prolapse. Taking fights since 2014.
Sudden Buggery. Got duumb? Hola, Batmanuel!
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Paikis
The Echelon Phoenix That Escalated Quickly.
1421
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Posted - 2015.03.22 23:17:50 -
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It's hillarious how people still expect honesty and transparency from people who require popularity to keep their positions. |
Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
378
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Posted - 2015.03.22 23:26:37 -
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CSM elections are over, why are we still talking about this trash.
---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
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Kirasten
No Vacancies
127
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:35:07 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Why dont you join GSF on alt, quietly, and avoid all of this? Why did you chose to make this a public performance and intentionally **** off everyone who voted for you?
I've wondered this exact thing as well. |
Raduvan Tsepesh
Order Of The Dragons
0
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:20:00 -
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Its really sad that it came to this.. As people already said, Corbexx could have just joined goons on one of his numerous alts with the same result but just without this drama. Also we all knew at some level that corbexx and Sion had a good dialogue the previous year, being united in things like their issues with Xander, but still nobody really cared. Why didn't we? Cause he was "our guy". We elected him, he worked hard both for WH and the entire game, and we respected him for his efforts.
Ofc. with NOHO having some issues, it shouldn't surprise anyone that he ends up swapping corp, but the execution just goes to show how poorly Corbexx really understand the real dealings in politics. Sion understands this way better than him, and so i find it odd that he didn't warn his friend about the fallout of this move. Or maybe he did, but corbexx just didn't care. Whats done is done, and none of it matters at this stage.
The man behind the name still havent changed. He is still the same guy we also elected 1 year ago, and i still think he feels that he wants to help WH space. Still a great person, the CSM's thats been working with him and know him on a more personal level respect him also, and that should tell us something about his character instead of yelling "traitor!". Then again, trying to justify things with "its hard to play the game if your getting bombarded by people that wants to talk to you"... I feel kind of shocked to tell you this, you should actually know what the CSM is better than the most of us, that you got elected to represent & communicate with the people that elected you, and that should actually have come first.
Still, this was a choice Corbexx made for himself. Bridges are clearly burned, we as his voters got played, but thats the name of the game. Same as with any other scam going on in EVE. He set it up, he executed, and he succeeded. I doubt he did it with harmful intentions, but still this is the result we all have to live with from now. Calling for a revote or whatever, thats just childish, and its not gonna even be considered by CCP unless he actually choose to step down himself. People just need to start thinking already about who to vote for next year, if they havent lost faith in the CSM that is, and move on.
I just want to say i hope Corbexx actually does what he claims he want, to still work for WH space (but also all of the game). He obviously will have a lot harder time doing so this year than the previous. Its not gonna come as a surprice that theres hostility in the community atm, and calling for meetings and town halls will clearly have a lot less people show up and give the feedback he needs to do his job. I actually Sugar might have a easier time doing work for the WH community than Corbexx does, based on that we also know she helped a lot over the last year and still have our respect, even if we didnt vote on her as a WH representative.
In the end, Corbexx legacy is pretty much dead. Something i find sad, based on the great work he has done for us so far, and maybe will do again this next year. But come next election, he will be done as CMS, or he will run as a null player. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a few years from now, theres gonna be a bad taste in WH-people's mouth whenever they say his name.. |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2674
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Posted - 2015.03.23 03:38:40 -
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Zappity wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:You voted for a man, not a ticker. Half true at best. Personally, I thought CSM X work be dominated by null blocs so it would be good to have a wormhole independent. That didn't work out so well, did it? As for the man, Corbexx evidently thought it a good idea to deliberately taunt the people who put him back on the CSM, as well as bring the meta deep into the CSM. So that's not working out too well either. Mike, I wonder how your core constituents would feel if you chose to join CODE the day after the announcement. You could try the 'man, not ticker' line but I'm not convinced it would work.
True enough. Not that I am about to do any such thing.
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Paul Vashar
Periphery Bound
34
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Posted - 2015.03.23 04:20:41 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Zappity wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:You voted for a man, not a ticker. Half true at best. Personally, I thought CSM X work be dominated by null blocs so it would be good to have a wormhole independent. That didn't work out so well, did it? As for the man, Corbexx evidently thought it a good idea to deliberately taunt the people who put him back on the CSM, as well as bring the meta deep into the CSM. So that's not working out too well either. Mike, I wonder how your core constituents would feel if you chose to join CODE the day after the announcement. You could try the 'man, not ticker' line but I'm not convinced it would work. True enough. Not that I am about to do any such thing. m I don't think I could love this reply any more than blowing up bears
But, I believe Corbexx will represent WHs as best he can even if he does most of his WH activity from alts. We ALL have alts, and if you don't you're doing it wrong. |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3179
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Posted - 2015.03.23 08:44:46 -
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The idea that Corbexx can't properly represent wormholers with a [CONDI] ticker is pretty silly. We have our fingers in many pies, including wormspace activities.
If anything, seeing wormholes from a different perspective to the one he has held previously should make him a better CSM.
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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Lloyd Roses
923
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Posted - 2015.03.23 09:20:05 -
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Just disappointed a wormhole rep joins a bad nullgroup. You could've atleast joined BL, PIZZA or PL or one of the other competent ones, but no you join the largest group you could fine that's just barely competent.
I GÖÑ Sleipnir
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Papa Django
CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue
84
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Posted - 2015.03.23 09:37:47 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:The idea that Corbexx can't properly represent wormholers with a [CONDI] ticker is pretty silly. We have our fingers in many pies, including wormspace activities.
If anything, seeing wormholes from a different perspective to the one he has held previously should make him a better CSM.
Come on stop trolling plz.
If Corbexx is in a nullsec corp, his main activity will be nullsec and he can't by definition represent wormhole.
But that's not the point, the issue here is a lot of people voted for him because he was in a respected wormhole alliance. At my scale i have done a lot of lobbying to just make my mates vote for the CSM.
How can i explain to them that Corbexx from NOHO is joining GSF ?
For us NOHO means independance and freedom and GSF means servitude and F1 monkey.
Now, most of them will never vote again for the CSM election, because the candidate can be elected on a platform and switch to another on day 1.
Their conclusion is : CSM election are bullshit because candidate can do anything without any consequences. And i am close to conclude that too.
We could have elected someone else, like Ariete if we have been informed about that. This is not fair at all. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
526
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Posted - 2015.03.23 10:01:20 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Dude steals 600B ISk of carebears: instant celebrity. Dude AWOXes Revenant: instant celebrity. Dude makes piles of terrible youtube videos showing how bad he is at EVE: instant celebrity. Dude takes your votes, stuffs them up your date sideways and defects to goons: terrible person who must die alone in old age surrounded only by three-legged mangy cats and leprous dogs.
This is metagaming at it's best, and you all got played so hard you've got a trail of TP sticking out the back of your pants.
LMFAO.
+1 brother.
Also. Well played corbexxx. Probably burned a lot of bridges with this ultimately hilarious change of priorities. But then again, I don't think Goons are the space cancer everyone makes them out to be.
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Papa Django
CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue
84
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Posted - 2015.03.23 10:51:28 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote: Also. Well played corbexxx. Probably burned a lot of bridges with this ultimately hilarious change of priorities.
You miss a big point, this behavior is bad for the CSM.
You cannot ask people for voting then **** on their head like that.
Incindir Mauser wrote: But then again, I don't think Goons are the space cancer everyone makes them out to be.
But they represents what is broken in this game. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
526
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Posted - 2015.03.23 11:14:10 -
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Papa Django wrote:Incindir Mauser wrote: Also. Well played corbexxx. Probably burned a lot of bridges with this ultimately hilarious change of priorities.
You miss a big point, this behavior is bad for the CSM. You cannot ask people for voting then **** on their head like that.
Sure you can. corbexxx just did. And as long as he has CFC backing, who's to say that he won't be on the CSM every year until time indefinite? There's nothing stopping them. If I were Mittens I'd do it every year just to troll W-space. Space democracy in action!
Quote:Incindir Mauser wrote: But then again, I don't think Goons are the space cancer everyone makes them out to be.
But they represents what is broken in this game.
What broken-ness would that be?
That he who has the most friends and can press the most buttons wins fights/elections? That is the definition of democracy. The CSM is a popularity contest. If you want to win, logically you should make friends with the guys that have the most friends. Goons want to play the game their way, and use their power and influence to shape the galaxy around them. Just like everyone else does. And occasionally they show up in force to savage the peasants because... well it's funny.
If it weren't Goons, we'd have to invent a space boogeyman just to have someone to hate on.
Eve will always be a game of N+1. Always. It's the core of the business model. It won't change. Until CCP does something to radically alter the way large fleet battles are played on a fundamental level... EVE was, is, and always will be...N+1. |
poerkie
Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
14
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:47:10 -
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you just flushed all ur trust down the sink...
were not mad but were dissappointed... |
Lloyd Roses
923
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:37:35 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote: Sure you can. corbexxx just did. And as long as he has CFC backing, who's to say that he won't be on the CSM every year until time indefinite? There's nothing stopping them. If I were Mittens I'd do it every year just to troll W-space. Space democracy in action!
It doesn't matter how you turn it, Corbexx got bought, and he admitted to it, and he did the PR stunt. Whether as a GSF muppet or because he did it of free will, he ultimately simply gave a huge *F*** YOU* to his (wh-)voters, fully aware of what he was doing.
You like rallying for your cause behind a guy with a big fat *SOLD* sticker on his chest? I don't.
I GÖÑ Sleipnir
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:26:48 -
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Quote:Corbexx ( Full Endorsement): Of all the incumbents, it is perhaps not surprising that IGÇÖve worked with Corbexx most. He has been a standout CSM member and a hero to the wormhole world. Unfortunately I think he was so good that it meant that no other wormhole candidate could hold a candle and without Corbexx helping to market, no second wormholer had a chance to step out of his powerful shadow. Corbexx, make us proud again, youGÇÖre a great voice for w-space. I think this endorsement typifies the goodwill Corbexx had going into the election. Hopefully it is re-earned over the coming year.
But the highlighted line above stood out to me even before the vote. It would have been nice if Corbexx had put his weight behind a WH co-candidate if he knew he was going to be making a change. |
Valencia Mariana
The Red Circle Inc.
26
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:39:56 -
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Shame all his good work is tarnished. Hard to believe he just randomly wanted to change direction after he was sold to wh'ers as "the wh candidate" so tough not to feel deceived.
Valencia Mariana
The Red Circle Inc.
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