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Hal Morsh
Fruidian Logic Dramatic Exit.
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Posted - 2015.03.22 15:40:04 -
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The fact that the Hecate design is hated by half and loved by the other half means the designer did a good job at designing a gallente ship.
I didn't like the svipul look alive, I loved the split in two and box pre designs. This one didn't look so good until they finished designing it.
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Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:15:52 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Droidyk wrote:I love the design on Hecate, it is a very distinct look that we don't have yet. Plus it is going to look especially awesome in flight I think. Have you not seen the Nemesis.
I did and it seems quite different, the only similarity I can find is the horizontal shape, and it's not flat and long as Hecate design. But just my opinion |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:17:19 -
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The Hecate is bland. If I wanted a YB-49, I would go back to 1947 to get one.
The Jackdaw reminds me of a tactical shotgun. It's all business, and business is good...
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Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:50:44 -
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stoicfaux wrote:The Jackdaw reminds me of a tactical shotgun. It's all business, and business is good... So only the edgy mall ninjas will pilot one?
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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
709
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:08:06 -
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All those ppl with their "power creep". Where were you when Cruisers speeds got "balanced"? Where were you when Orthrus was introduced? Embrace the powercreep and train caldari tac dessie 5.
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Alexstrazaas
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.22 23:58:53 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:All those ppl with their "power creep". Where were you when Cruisers speeds got "balanced"? Where were you when Orthrus was introduced? Embrace the powercreep and train caldari tac dessie 5.
CALDARI FOR LIFE!
however, i am saw the caldari ship can't use hybreds. As i am a Hybred Calari!
GOGOGO ROHKINATOR!
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 00:06:33 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Tactical destroyers are OP. Power creep is bad.
It isn't power creep. It's "these ships do something new and people are too lazy to adjust apparently".
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.03.23 00:35:03 -
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I'm not a fan of either design, but not fussed. I don't need to like how the ship looks, just how it flies.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
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Pediculus Humanus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:57:12 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Tactical destroyers are OP. Power creep is bad. It isn't power creep. It's "these ships do something new and people are too lazy to adjust apparently".
Sadly, t3 destroyers are stupidly overpowered. The two we got so far make the whole AF class useless, no matter if solo or gang. It's not that AFs were awesome before t3 dessies got introduced, but at least they were kinda-sorta-useful. Also, many cruisers and battlecruisers seem crap compared to t3 dessies.
Yes, I am using t3 dessies No, I haven't died horribly to t3 dessies (haven't died to them even once, actually). Yes, this is a forum alt. T3 dessies need a nerf.
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.26 07:35:30 -
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My flying stick, er, stork. The TV aerial comparison is spot on.
Shouldn't it have even a remote resemblance to the t1 missile hull? |
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 07:48:38 -
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Hecate isn't coming out until July so the art department has time to go back to the drawing board and give it a more exciting transformation. Because as it stands now it looks like a few tiny flaps pop up.
Otherwise it is pretty cool looking. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.03.26 08:07:39 -
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Jallukola wrote: Too much Mordu's, too little native Caldari, trash material.
Mordu's ships are flat, more like SR-71 blackbird. Jackdaw: -hull made of rectangles - check -antennas - check -missile boat - check -shield tanked - check -i don't give a s*** how it looks until its effective - check. Caldari in every aspect. Continuation of new recons designs. Stances are weird, i cannot imagine where those middle "wings" fold. Alongside the hull? Is it raw version?
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Hermanni Pursiainen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 08:33:56 -
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Filip Bonn wrote:This one is piece of crap. Done by designer at lunch time ? Oh..! Hey I just found Hekate prototype, look: Hekate Prototype
Hahaha, oh lawdy.
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Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.03.26 10:59:38 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Jallukola wrote: Too much Mordu's, too little native Caldari, trash material.
Mordu's ships are flat, more like SR-71 blackbird. Jackdaw: -hull made of rectangles - check -antennas - check -missile boat - check -shield tanked - check -i don't give a s*** how it looks until its effective - check. Caldari in every aspect. Continuation of new recons designs. Stances are weird, i cannot imagine where those middle "wings" fold. Alongside the hull? Is it raw version? Dunno, Caldari ships still tend to have that roundness in them, softening the otherwise blocky shapes coupled with distinctive electronics system. They are very modern-looking, or atleast near future, from the perspective of mechanical design, which is why I love them.
This Jackdaw on the other hand? Looks like a tin-coated tampoon machined in a lathe, or quite possibly CNC mill. Too flat shapes. EDIT: Just like that Mordu's cruiser and battleship, forgot their name, and frankly those ships are not worth remembering anyways.
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Dana Goodeye
Quafe Commandos Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.22 15:54:03 -
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i like the looks of most of the cald ships. but this one... its not even looks like a ship =P but i like the gal one =) and its need to have drones. the best gal ships has drones. 3 like the comet has would be sufficient. and i want quafe skin for it for free -.- |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:01:25 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I saw the Hecate stats, and fell in like.
I saw the Hecate design, and fell in love.
That ship.. I shall name it 'Jessica Alba'.
^my fan!
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:04:21 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Found an early concept image of the Hecate. Here's a later draft image.
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Sha'Do Khan
Pirate Nomads
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Posted - 2015.04.25 03:09:13 -
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I'll cast my vote. I'm not a fan of the Jackdaw. I looks like an old short-wave antenna, or maybe a cell tower on it's side. I really don't like the new trend of all the fragile looking antenna sticking out in all directions.
It wasn't that bad when it was only the Mordu ships, it gave them a unique look, but now it's leaking into the other races.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2211
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Posted - 2015.04.25 03:30:39 -
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Err, I really like how the Jackdaw looks. Crap name though. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.25 03:42:44 -
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Jallukola wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Jallukola wrote: Too much Mordu's, too little native Caldari, trash material.
Mordu's ships are flat, more like SR-71 blackbird. Jackdaw: -hull made of rectangles - check -antennas - check -missile boat - check -shield tanked - check -i don't give a s*** how it looks until its effective - check. Caldari in every aspect. Continuation of new recons designs. Stances are weird, i cannot imagine where those middle "wings" fold. Alongside the hull? Is it raw version? Dunno, Caldari ships still tend to have that roundness in them, softening the otherwise blocky shapes coupled with distinctive electronics system. They are very modern-looking, or atleast near future, from the perspective of mechanical design, which is why I love them. This Jackdaw on the other hand? Looks like a tin-coated tampoon machined in a lathe, or quite possibly CNC mill. Too flat shapes. EDIT: Just like that Mordu's cruiser and battleship, forgot their name, and frankly those ships are not worth remembering anyways. I can't think of many pre or post redesign Caldari ships that were high on roundness, though I may be misunderstanding your use of the word. I have to say I like it all thinks considered, but It's not quite as appealing a design as some of the pre-mordu designs felt to me. Things like the Naga or Corax, even the Raven and Scorp seemed to have a better feel to them IMHO.
But I'll still train and buy one cause it still looks cool. |
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.25 05:07:40 -
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I predict that with the crappy name, walking-stick looks and current state of LMs that the Jackdawf will be the least used of all the D3s. It will also come pre-nerfed (unlike the first 2 releases) and will suffer a dismal future upon the release of the Gallente ship. As much as I try and train my Caldari ships, I will hold out for the last ship release.
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Cetan Bennu
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.26 05:41:46 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Veri naise. Gallente one looks quee-r. But it's Gallente. Caldari is the coolest of them all - some sort of terran satellite/deep space probe. Would even train the dreadful train missiles to fly one.
the Caldari looks like shipping crates welded together with some scaffolding left over |
Mario Putzo
1223
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Posted - 2015.04.26 05:57:40 -
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When can we expect super talwar to make an appearance anyway? |
Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 06:28:48 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Tactical destroyers are OP. Power creep is bad. It isn't power creep. It's "these ships do something new and people are too lazy to adjust apparently".
More like "these ships make an entire class of ships obsolete". Its heavy powercreep alright, and thats why CCP is nerfing them now.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
972
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Posted - 2015.04.26 11:14:18 -
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Hipqo wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Tactical destroyers are OP. Power creep is bad. It isn't power creep. It's "these ships do something new and people are too lazy to adjust apparently". More like "these ships make an entire class of ships obsolete". Its heavy powercreep alright, and thats why CCP is nerfing them now.
The velocity nerf and mass adjustment, true. Rest is not quite a nerf in my view. Just 10mn is becoming quite hard to fit, but more utility might turn out to be nice. Going for the supposed king of the frig scene: AFs are crap, dictors are normally gimped for bubbling and sometimes cloak. No wonder full combat fitted T3ds appear strong. With how the new iteration on sisi feels, they gonna be almost as strong as the worm still. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2015.04.28 10:37:38 -
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When is the Jackdaw coming out? It's not in the Mosaic patch notes!?!?? WTF?
I summon a DEV to explain the atrocity! |
Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:01:49 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Hipqo wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Tactical destroyers are OP. Power creep is bad. It isn't power creep. It's "these ships do something new and people are too lazy to adjust apparently". More like "these ships make an entire class of ships obsolete". Its heavy powercreep alright, and thats why CCP is nerfing them now. The velocity nerf and mass adjustment, true. Rest is not quite a nerf in my view. Just 10mn is becoming quite hard to fit, but more utility might turn out to be nice. Going for the supposed king of the frig scene: AFs are crap, dictors are normally gimped for bubbling and sometimes cloak. No wonder full combat fitted T3ds appear strong. With how the new iteration on sisi feels, they gonna be almost as strong as the worm still.
With the amount of minuses theres on the patch notes, i simply dont understand why you dont see it as a nerf, a well needed nerf. But thats another talk :)
All im saying is, as long as the t3 destroyers will dominate frigs, its powercreep, as it gives frig pilots a unfair disadvantage in combat. One which wasnt here before and by doing so CCP decides, for us, that frigs are not worth training for anymore, unless you really want covert ops.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:09:31 -
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Pediculus Humanus wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Tactical destroyers are OP. Power creep is bad. It isn't power creep. It's "these ships do something new and people are too lazy to adjust apparently". Sadly, t3 destroyers are stupidly overpowered. The two we got so far make the whole AF class useless, no matter if solo or gang. It's not that AFs were awesome before t3 dessies got introduced, but at least they were kinda-sorta-useful. Also, many cruisers and battlecruisers seem crap compared to t3 dessies. Yes, I am using t3 dessies No, I haven't died horribly to t3 dessies (haven't died to them even once, actually). Yes, this is a forum alt. T3 dessies need a nerf. I think.T3 destroyers only seem super powerful because t1 and 2 destroyers are do pathetically weak. T1 destroyers are barely capable of overpowering a single t1 frigate, routinely lose against T2 and faction frigates and die almost instantly against cruisers. T2 destroyers are barely any different.
Then you get to T3s which are actually capable of curbstomping frigates with relative ease.
Personally I'd rather see other destroyers buffed into line with T3 destroyers than see T3 destroyers nerfed into mediocrity. |
Cpt Bunny
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
25
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:20:03 -
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This is power creep for sure, but i believe there is purpose and direction behind it.
Picture this:
Future release of T3 BC, BS etc Shortly after CCP makes eve free to play, for all Tech 1 ships and modules.
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Ares Desideratus
Simply Wild. Frozen Karma.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 02:53:25 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote: I think.T3 destroyers only seem super powerful because t1 and 2 destroyers are do pathetically weak. T1 destroyers are barely capable of overpowering a single t1 frigate, routinely lose against T2 and faction frigates and die almost instantly against cruisers. T2 destroyers are barely any different.
Then you get to T3s which are actually capable of curbstomping frigates with relative ease.
Personally I'd rather see other destroyers buffed into line with T3 destroyers than see T3 destroyers nerfed into mediocrity.
The tech three destroyers are definitely not op. I think compared to tech one cruisers, they have their strengths and their weaknesses. Tech one cruisers can get the same job done just as well, most of the time. But there are places a tech three destroyer can go that a tech one cruiser just can't. They seem pretty balanced to me.
I agree about the other destroyers though. I'd like to see the tech one destroyers get a small speed boost. The way I look at it, when a tech one cruiser is faster than a tech one destroyer, that's pretty messed up, especially when you consider just how much faster they actually are. A tech one Omen with a MWD goes 2,000 m/s. A tech one Coercer with a MWD goes 1,700 m/s. That's crazy considering the Coercer can't field anywhere near the same level of tank or damage of an Omen. I think a small speed boost to the tech one destroyers would be perfect. Maybe bump the Coercer up from 1,700 to 1,800 or even 1,900 m/s. Possibly a small boost to their hit points as well? I know it's dangerous to go around boosting things but tech one destroyers really could use a small bit of love I think.
As for the tech two destroyers, I think those are pretty well balanced actually.
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