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NewYorker
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:05:00 -
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I wish I can be a fly on the wall during the battles that the two alliances engage. As a result of not being able to do so, I have been tracking the battles through their respective killboards. Lately, there seems to be a greater discrepancy between the two and makes it harder for the outsiders to track.
The ascn's active campaign The pendulum BoB seems to include a number of outside corporations/alliance. The corporations/alliance that seem to be included are British Space Corporation, Reddish Bears, Egg Enterprise, The Legion, Constructive Influence, and D-L. Are these coporations/alliance working alongside or for BOB?
The ascn's killboard has an efficency percentage that seems to be based on the isk damage amount (per ship type) that is tallied up. The efficiency has been changed recently from teens to nearly fifty percent. The amount of isk assigned to some ship classes does not seem to reflect insurance value as interceptors are 10 million isk. How is it that battleships assigned 35 million, recon ships assigned 100 million, etc. I would like to know how they assign the values of ships.
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NAFnist
Rage of Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:09:00 -
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only look for kills at each board
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Montaire
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:10:00 -
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Killboards are not a good measure of success.
1. Dont you think somthings wrong when 2 fleets engage 100 v 200 and then the SMALLER fleet kills 150 Battleships. The larger fleet kills none. What doesnt add up here, somthing surely doesnt seem right.
2. Try replacing a HAC or Recon ship for the insurance payout - I dare you. I once lost a hulk, I got 23 million in insurance back. How much do Hulks cost ?
Instead of looking at killboards look at overall goals. What were BOB's Goals, have they succeeded ? What were ASCN's goals - did they accomplish them ? Do that and I think you'll find out more than by just looking at killboards.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Montaire Killboards are not a good measure of success.
1. Dont you think somthings wrong when 2 fleets engage 100 v 200 and then the SMALLER fleet kills 150 Battleships. The larger fleet kills none. What doesnt add up here, somthing surely doesnt seem right.
2. Try replacing a HAC or Recon ship for the insurance payout - I dare you. I once lost a hulk, I got 23 million in insurance back. How much do Hulks cost ?
Instead of looking at killboards look at overall goals. What were BOB's Goals, have they succeeded ? What were ASCN's goals - did they accomplish them ? Do that and I think you'll find out more than by just looking at killboards.
No offens but when your allaince has all the hac's/recon bpos and there own pos chain to build the componets insurnce more than cover it
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Montaire
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:15:00 -
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Right but you cant program a killboard to account for that.
Not only that but each HAC used internally is a HAC not sold externally, so there is still a net loss in isk.
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:17:00 -
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As posted from John McReedy's response to EvE Tribune:
Originally by: Latex Mistress When we contracted both with and against CLS, they maintained the killboard was only used internally for bonuses of kills and ship replacement purposes. While posting kills was generally not a problem (earns you a bonus), they seemed genuinely put off by the idea of posting losses. Don't get me wrong, it's how they run their corp/alliance and it's their business. However, there are two main consequences I see from such an action:
1) Making an inaccurate KB public yet qualifying it saying it's only for internal replacement/number crunching isn't very honest. 2) Using said inaccurate killboard as a method to rally troops and/or postulate on the success of a war campaign is just horrible and can serve no honest purpose.
I'd recommend either making the KB private (only for internal book keeping, etc) or enforcing a strict 100% accountability for your public KB. Not like I give a toss, just trying to help you out John...
I hope that clears some things up for you...
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Montaire Right but you cant program a killboard to account for that.
Not only that but each HAC used internally is a HAC not sold externally, so there is still a net loss in isk.
You can program it, the iss losseboard(kilmails are optinal) has difrent scores for difrent bs's ect
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn No offens but when your allaince has all the hac's/recon bpos and there own pos chain to build the componets insurnce more than cover it
No, that means BPO owners are giving billions of ISK each week to their alliance. ------ No ISK, no fun |
Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/10/2006 16:22:32
Originally by: Montaire
Not only that but each HAC used internally is a HAC not sold externally, so there is still a net loss in isk.
No,
I'm not really keen to start a discussion on this since it is a subjective thing and not something you can be "right" in, but as far as logic goes you can only attribute a net loss for lack of sale income to those resources not sold that you would normally be selling.
We don't sell hac's externally.
Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Originally by: Lilan Kahn No offens but when your allaince has all the hac's/recon bpos and there own pos chain to build the componets insurnce more than cover it
No, that means BPO owners are giving billions of ISK each week to their alliance.
That's right, where it doesn't concern the corps themselves.
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Aiolos Caci
British Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:20:00 -
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Quite often lately ASCN aren't posting their death mails inflicted by my guys... but are always happy to post the kill records. British Space Corporation [BSC] is not a part of this conflict of epic proportions in any way, we just kill the incoming ASCN and friends while we mine... we're carebears with teeth afterall, nothing more nothing less. If an industrial carebear corp like BSC comes up with a positive kill/death ratio even on your own incomplete killboards, I can only feel sorry for those of you ASCN pilots who actually have the guts to go after "real" targets. Rough times ahead.
Cheers,
Aio
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JINX HSC
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:22:00 -
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a hac cost 14m to build.. and no i do not loose any isk not to sell it for 300m.. you have to know that if all those HAC bpo owner whould sell all there hacs insted of useing them for there own pvp..a hac whould cost 20m on market.. - KLADDKAKA -
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Montaire
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:23:00 -
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I agree Rod, its not necesarrily an argument with a win for anyone. However it would be an interesting academic discussion to have sometimes about Eve Economics. Maybe on the market forums someday :)
Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/10/2006 16:19:44
Originally by: Montaire Right but you cant program a killboard to account for that.
Not only that but each HAC used internally is a HAC not sold externally, so there is still a net loss in isk.
No,
I'm not really keen to start a discussion on this since it is a subjective thing and not something you can be "right" in, but as far as logic goes you can only attribute a net loss for lack of sale income to those resources not sold that you would normally be selling.
We don't sell hac's externally.
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McMike
Hegemonic Core
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:30:00 -
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Both side get sloppy posting losses.
The best you will get is to look at the kills by BOB as ASCN losses and the kills by ASCN as BOB losses. Members not posting is the greatest source of divergence between the boards.
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Angelus X
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: NAFnist only look for kills at each board
Incorrect.
You will find the BoB killboard 99.99% accurate for both kills AND LOSSES. In the unlikely event you come across a killmail that is older than 48 hours but has not been posted on our boards, simply email the CEO and asses will be spanked till it's up. -----
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: NAFnist only look for kills at each board
Incorrect.
You will find the BoB killboard 99.99% accurate for both kills AND LOSSES. In the unlikely event you come across a killmail that is older than 48 hours but has not been posted on our boards, simply email the CEO and asses will be spanked till it's up.
Oi you owe me some london meet up pics get hold of me in game.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Ductoris
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:40:00 -
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OP post by an ALT, thread locked.
If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Ductoris ([email protected])
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