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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:19:44 -
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Quote: E. Observatory arrays
Dedicated to intelligence gathering. ...... be able to affect or pinpoint cloak users. ....
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
4160
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:22:28 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Speechless That's the sound of the AFK cloakers you here.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
723
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:25:09 -
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Pft could grow balls so CCP gave out some.
Afk cloaking has never been a problem for us.
I'm cloaked in your thread, stealing your info.
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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
54
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:26:46 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Pft could grow balls so CCP gave out some.
Afk cloaking has never been a problem for us.
Yeah, if truly afk, no big deal. This array seems to be worded to affect non-afk cloakers. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20662
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:34:40 -
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Who cares if you could pinpoint them? As it is 9/10 people who complain about cloakers cant be arsed to undock anyways, so what does knowing the location of the possible hostile going to change? Now instead of "Go away cloaky bastard whos mother I totally had relations with last night!" being typed in local from the perfect safety of the station, it will be "Will someone please go take care of the cloaky that's somewhere within 50km of planet 3 for me because I wanna mine and he might be armed and have bad intentions!!!!!".. once again typed in local from the perfect safety of a station.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4723
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:40:27 -
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If it uncloaked everyone in the system once an hour, I wouldn't see that as too annoying if it was alarm-clock-able. |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
125
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:45:12 -
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And when they use this anti-cloaking device and discover the cloaker is not AFK... they will run to the forums and unleash an ocean of salty tears as they will be too afraid to undock.
It will be glorious!
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4429
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:50:05 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Who cares if you could pinpoint them? As it is 9/10 people who complain about cloakers cant be arsed to undock anyways, so what does knowing the location of the possible hostile going to change? Now instead of "Go away cloaky bastard whos mother I totally had relations with last night!" being typed in local from the perfect safety of the station, it will be "Will someone please go take care of the cloaky that's somewhere within 50km of planet 3 for me because I wanna mine and he might be armed and have bad intentions!!!!!".. once again typed in local from the perfect safety of a station. Are you at fanfest or am I misreading things?
Also, afk cloaking is still not an issue if they're afk.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20665
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Posted - 2015.03.22 02:59:29 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Who cares if you could pinpoint them? As it is 9/10 people who complain about cloakers cant be arsed to undock anyways, so what does knowing the location of the possible hostile going to change? Now instead of "Go away cloaky bastard whos mother I totally had relations with last night!" being typed in local from the perfect safety of the station, it will be "Will someone please go take care of the cloaky that's somewhere within 50km of planet 3 for me because I wanna mine and he might be armed and have bad intentions!!!!!".. once again typed in local from the perfect safety of a station. Are you at fanfest or am I misreading things? Also, afk cloaking is still not an issue if they're afk.
Look how bad I am on the forums. This is after me re-reading my posts to make sure im not (terribly) violating any rules, then changing wording to be (slightly) less offensive to the more 'tender' citizens of the forums. Would you really want me to be at fanfest, completely unfiltered, with a couple drinks in me?!??!?
This is ME im talking about, and frankly that thought is scary when I think it.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Madd Adda
42
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:05:04 -
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you realize this is the concept stage and isn't a reflection of what will be released right? wouldn't make sense to have something that is suppose to be invisible to sensors magically appear.
Carebear extraordinaire
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Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
165
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:07:59 -
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@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?
Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?
This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20665
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:13:23 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?
Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?
This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.
Ever think that maybe they threw that line in the description to troll the playerbase?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:22:00 -
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Lets be honest here.. The people who are scared of AFK Cloakers won't be smart enough to deploy something like this in their space.. Plus from the sounds of them they are AOE, not system wide. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
199
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:22:45 -
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so what do we have here?
AFK cloaking campers.. whinning about the fact their griefing could be coming to an end?
or Tears of the end coming from afk cloakers
or just plain out fear from afk cloakers that their perfect playstyle is about to go bye-bye or even close enough of a threat to go bye-bye??
hmmmm
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
34990
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:30:49 -
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From the same devblog:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:Before we move forward, we would like to make it clear the changes listed below are ideas and highly theoretical. Those are not set in stone or fixed, we are telling our plans to you, our players, months in advance to initiate feedback and spark interest. Also please remember that concept art is just that, concept.
So at this point, shrugs shoulders. Meh.
We'll see.
If it happens, then I think other parts of the same devblog also hint towards networks of structures being necessary to cover a wide area in a system, so I expect there will be places to AFK cloak without problem, just not at a tactical off an outpost, POS, gate, etc. But that's just total speculation, same as this thread.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4454
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:49:07 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?
Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?
This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.
Couldn't say. Maybe it's a point you'd like to rise in the dev blog thread in the information portal. Nudge nudge.
At UAE, well, yeah. It's fanfest! Half the fun is hanging out with everyone regress of where you fly!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
165
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Posted - 2015.03.22 04:26:41 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Ashlar Maidstone wrote:@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?
Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?
This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.
Couldn't say. Maybe it's a point you'd like to rise in the dev blog thread in the information portal. Nudge nudge. At UAE, well, yeah. It's fanfest! Half the fun is hanging out with everyone regress of where you fly!
Thank you sir!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10281
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Posted - 2015.03.22 04:50:20 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:so what do we have here?
AFK cloaking campers.. whinning about the fact their griefing could be coming to an end?
or Tears of the end coming from afk cloakers
or just plain out fear from afk cloakers that their perfect playstyle is about to go bye-bye or even close enough of a threat to go bye-bye??
hmmmm
People who know they are on shaky logical ground always fall back on the "you must be one of them" line of thinking. It demonstrates the weakness of a position.
I'm not an afk cloaker. I'm someone who does anomalies, in null, for isk and fun (the fun part makes me weird, I know). And I've figured out lots of ways to deal with 'afk cloakers' as they are. RIGHT NOW Confederation of XXPizza types are afk cloaking all over Delve and Querious where I play.
And yet you don't see me complaining, you see me figuring it out for my self, like an adult does when confronted with a challenge.
The posters above is right, CCP shouldn't be developing in a way that compensates lazy and uncreative people for being lazy and uncreative. No, if CCP 'does something about afk cloakers' so be it, but I hope they know that some of us don't need or appreciate their attempts to hold our hands.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6472
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Posted - 2015.03.22 04:53:03 -
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I am drunk in a pub right now and trying to avoid a couple of women talking politics so thak you, thread, for being here.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1145
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:02:25 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Quote: E. Observatory arrays Dedicated to intelligence gathering. ...... be able to affect or pinpoint cloak users. .... Speechless Depends on how it is implimented:
If the cloaker has to log off / change systems when a SOV structure announces it is onlining that hits back at the cloakers especially if they really are AFK and about to be de-cloaked.
If you can have ships that use a series of D-scans and ineffective probes to get closer and hunt down cloakers then you can actively avoid them in a "cat and mouse" game.
Sitting 100% perfectly safe in conditions better than being docked is clearly broken and goes against EVE's risk vs reward principle.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:08:37 -
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If it only works for normal cloaks and not covert ops that might make sense. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1145
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:10:55 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:If it only works for normal cloaks and not covert ops that might make sense. No. Stink bomb package posted to CCP sort of "No".
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:19:37 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:If it only works for normal cloaks and not covert ops that might make sense. No. Stink bomb package posted to CCP sort of "No".
I don't know if I am reading what you wrote wrong, or if what you said made no sense to me for other reasons. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:22:21 -
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Players afraid to leave the PoS because of a cloaked ship with the pilot afk; when you cant protect your own backyard.....speechless. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20673
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:28:44 -
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Might as well leave this here, good a time as any I guess.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1677
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:40:46 -
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This is great news - now I don't have to worry about "afk camping duty" when new sov rolls around.
Afk camping would have been by far the most effective way to drop system defense, softening it for capture. Roams wouldn't even come close. There would have been no excuse to not show up for "afk camping duty" since all you're doing is... nothing. Not how I want to spend my gametime.
This, by itself, is more than enough justification to kill off afk cloaking completely. Nothing's worth being pulled into "afk camping duty." Nothing. |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1476
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:53:42 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Who cares if you could pinpoint them? As it is 9/10 people who complain about cloakers cant be arsed to undock anyways, so what does knowing the location of the possible hostile going to change? Now instead of "Go away cloaky bastard whos mother I totally had relations with last night!" being typed in local from the perfect safety of the station, it will be "Will someone please go take care of the cloaky that's somewhere within 50km of planet 3 for me because I wanna mine and he might be armed and have bad intentions!!!!!".. once again typed in local from the perfect safety of a station.
And so the tears begin from those who aren't going to be able to harass anymore simply by sitting cloaked up. The only thing better than this change is the sporadic outbursts of tears from those upset to see it happening. Most people I know in null who complain about afk cloakers are VERY eager to be able to kill them after the change, so I have NO clue where you got your 9/10 stats from. |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1476
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:56:16 -
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sabre906 wrote:This is great news - now I don't have to worry about "afk camping duty" when new sov rolls around. Afk camping would have been by far the most effective way to drop system defense, softening it for capture. Roams wouldn't even come close. There would have been no excuse to not show up for "afk camping duty" since all you're doing is... nothing. Not how I want to spend my gametime. This, by itself, is more than enough justification to kill off afk cloaking completely. Nothing's worth being pulled into "afk camping duty." Nothing.
Prettymuch this, and the tactics involved with it. Given that the ping doesn't go out on entosis captures until after the first cycle completes, you could sit in systems, hit the module, then once people notice and show up, cloak, go afk for 2 hours, and they can either sit and wait for you after undoing your efforts, or go back to what they were doing until you do it again. This is going to provide a way to nip that in the bud. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20675
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Posted - 2015.03.22 06:10:06 -
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Arronicus wrote:And so the tears begin from those who aren't going to be able to harass anymore simply by sitting cloaked up. The only thing better than this change is the sporadic outbursts of tears from those upset to see it happening. Most people I know in null who complain about afk cloakers are VERY eager to be able to kill them after the change, so I have NO clue where you got your 9/10 stats from.
Tears? Hell, I welcome this change. It opens up a whole new level of traps and asshattery that can be accomplished. Within a day of the change or deployment of this thing, I get to find out who really wants to fight, or how to exploit the weaknesses in the system to make people even more scared. How is this not a good thing? Imagine the paranoia that ill spread when if eventhough they have the whole system spammed with these things, I can still find a place to hide and make their lives misery. Maybe I start fitting Hounds for max cloaked speeds, a point and a cyno, so by the time this thing pinpoints me, the ship is 50km away and you still cant find it, and you spend allllll day chasing a freakin ghost, and when I get home from a long day of working and being all up in your dreams, my buddies nuzzle the pig nearby while I work up on your miners and drop em while im pointing that tasty orca you for some reason brought to the anom, assured by your new fancy thingamajigger that im nowhere to be found.
I welcome this change with open arms. Hell, remove local while youre at it. Id welcome that too. Tears? Sure. Tears of freakin joy.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2015.03.22 06:19:22 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Arronicus wrote:And so the tears begin from those who aren't going to be able to harass anymore simply by sitting cloaked up. The only thing better than this change is the sporadic outbursts of tears from those upset to see it happening. Most people I know in null who complain about afk cloakers are VERY eager to be able to kill them after the change, so I have NO clue where you got your 9/10 stats from. Tears? Hell, I welcome this change. It opens up a whole new level of traps and asshattery that can be accomplished. Within a day of the change or deployment of this thing, I get to find out who really wants to fight, or how to exploit the weaknesses in the system to make people even more scared. How is this not a good thing? Imagine the paranoia that ill spread when if eventhough they have the whole system spammed with these things, I can still find a place to hide and make their lives misery. Maybe I start fitting Hounds for max cloaked speeds, a point and a cyno, so by the time this thing pinpoints me, the ship is 50km away and you still cant find it, and you spend allllll day chasing a freakin ghost, and when I get home from a long day of working and being all up in your dreams, my buddies nuzzle the pig nearby while I work up on your miners and drop em while im pointing that tasty orca you for some reason brought to the anom, assured by your new fancy thingamajigger that im nowhere to be found. I welcome this change with open arms. Hell, remove local while youre at it. Id welcome that too. Tears? Sure. Tears of freakin joy.
So you'd have to be at your keyboard more than once a day to stay alive and have any impact?
Seems like this would be working as intended then.
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