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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.23 00:16:22 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:I think this idea goes hand in hand with the removal of local Can't wait for local removal. This is the most inane idea that people have latched onto for years. They remove local from Null Sec and I would just go to a Worm Hole You get more ISK and they can't hot drop you there. This I feel is the biggest problem with this idea. Not just wormhole space, but the more risk averse (which is most) will simply move into highsec for isk generation even more. I think long term it would just lead to PvPers whining that nullsec is too empty (even moreso than they already do) because there's no ratters to prey on.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
98
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Posted - 2015.03.23 00:23:23 -
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Look at ALL the tears buahahahahaha
#bancloaking #jokesonyou
Am I doing it right? Funny like half the whinners here are the same people laughing at carrier/supercarrier pilots that voiced concerns about all the nerfs, but how dare they away my OP cloak now! |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2015.03.23 00:25:24 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:During the Sat morning event, Yitterbum made it sound like you could manually "pulse" the module like once an hour and it would decloak everything in system. he made it seem liek manual so you couldn't time it or anything.
Then you had to probe stuff down manually
If the cloaker is truly afk, easy kill, if they are not afk, they can cloak back up after the 30 sec timer
This is specifically why the potential change is great. It makes afk cloakers vulnerable, and active ones are just fine. The whole nonsense people are saying about how it should happen at the same period every hour or 3 hours or whatever is just silly, as it would allow the afk a simple easy method of dodging the effect. |
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2015.03.23 03:48:27 -
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They should remove local from null sec the same patch they release the thingamabob that detects cloaked ships. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6475
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Posted - 2015.03.23 04:14:27 -
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Anything that prevents someone from being TRULY AFK while cloaking is a good thing.
After all, there is an entire horde of people who have taken it on themselves to gank anybody hauling AFK with AP.
Therefore on that same line, why do people think they have the right to be totally safe while AFK?
It's about time a balancing mechanic was introduced.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
95
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Posted - 2015.03.23 06:19:13 -
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[Serious] ELI5: What's "AFK cloaking" and why is it a problem?
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.23 06:30:59 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Anything that prevents someone from being TRULY AFK while cloaking is a good thing.
After all, there is an entire horde of people who have taken it on themselves to gank anybody hauling AFK with AP.
Therefore on that same line, why do people think they have the right to be totally safe while AFK?
It's about time a balancing mechanic was introduced.
Could not have worded it better.....
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.03.23 09:25:37 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:AFK cloaking should be nerfed just as soon as someone can show how an afk cloaker can hurt anyone. Pretending you don't understand the problem doesn't make the problem go away. Its like saying hibernating bears are not dangerous because they're hibernating. ******** point of view to take isn't it.
The title of the thread is to do with afk cloaking.
My argument stands.
Pretending that an afk cloaker is a problem is nonsense.
afk cannot harm anyone.
Player is at the keyboard in a cloaked ship, valid style of gameplay.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12244
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Posted - 2015.03.23 09:30:49 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:AFK cloaking should be nerfed just as soon as someone can show how an afk cloaker can hurt anyone. Pretending you don't understand the problem doesn't make the problem go away. Its like saying hibernating bears are not dangerous because they're hibernating. ******** point of view to take isn't it. The title of the thread is to do with afk cloaking. My argument stands. Pretending that an afk cloaker is a problem is nonsense. afk cannot harm anyone. Player is at the keyboard in a cloaked ship, valid style of gameplay.
Never before have I agreed with you, and I doubt I ever shall again, but you are correct on this one.
That said, I think the premature celebraculation in this thread is going to be let down pretty hard once the devblog for this actually releases. They're counting their chickens before they even have any eggs, and that never ends well.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1602
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Posted - 2015.03.23 09:40:11 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:[Serious] ELI5: What's "AFK cloaking" and why is it a problem?
Serious?
AFK: away from keyboard. AFK Cloaking: sitting in a system cloaked while being away from keyboard.
A serious problem for risk adverse nul sec care bears who are afraid that the person who is not actively there may shoot them (oh noes! Someone cloaked in my system, I'm too scared to undock). |
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
33989
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Posted - 2015.03.23 11:27:36 -
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observatories can't see what's invisible
can your eyes see microscopic germs?
don't be silly
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Amber Kurvora
217
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Posted - 2015.03.23 11:38:04 -
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I really want to know more about the mechanics they intend to use for this. I occasionally week trip into Null to run exploration sites, which carries enough risk with Null Alliance intel channels, and would hate to find out that cloaking up to ride out gank attempts would suddenly not be an option. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
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Posted - 2015.03.23 11:45:45 -
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Has anyone actually lost something to AFK cloakers? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12247
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:20:59 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:Has anyone actually lost something to AFK cloakers?
Their self respect?
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:21:33 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:I really want to know more about the mechanics they intend to use for this. I occasionally week trip into Null to run exploration sites, which carries enough risk with Null Alliance intel channels, and would hate to find out that cloaking up to ride out gank attempts would suddenly not be an option.
it means you would just have to keep moving, meaning you couldnt just sit in the same place for for 4 hours watching things
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10339
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:22:21 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Has anyone actually lost something to AFK cloakers? Their self respect?
Negative, you can't lose what you don't' have |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:31:52 -
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Omg the person who wasn't there two hours ago is still not there right now!
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
272
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:34:12 -
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Long live Schr+¦dinger's Hotdropper
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Josef Djugashvilis
2925
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:44:05 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:Has anyone actually lost something to AFK cloakers?
Balls.
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DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
139
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:52:35 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Player is at the keyboard in a cloaked ship, valid style of gameplay.
It is, so the detection array should not be a problem to him either, since he can pretty much react to an incoming threat.
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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance
176
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:19:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: CCP shouldn't be developing in a way that compensates lazy and uncreative people for being lazy and uncreative.
Thank you jenn aSide for supporting this new feature against afk cloakers
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
549
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:20:21 -
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You guys still do not realize... it is the active ones you need to worry about.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
251
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:27:46 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:You guys still do not realize... it is the active ones you need to worry about.
its to determine who is afk and who is not i guess, afk cloakers should be able to be killed just like they can kill at anytime they return, if they go afk they should return to a pod in home station
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10348
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:31:41 -
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Kestrix wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: CCP shouldn't be developing in a way that compensates lazy and uncreative people for being lazy and uncreative. Thank you jenn aSide for supporting this new feature against afk cloakers
I don't have a problem with it as described.
here's what will happen. CCP will put in a structure that decloaks people every once in a while and 'cloakers' will still find some way to afk cloak (coupled with the fact that the majority of null pve farmers won't respond to a decloaked player anyways, even if they could, no matter what they say) and the whining will continue.
I t will continue in the exact same way that miners continued to complain after the mining ship EHP buffs. They will continue to complain in the exact same way people complain about bumping even though CCP introduced ANCHOR RIGS. While the complainers will never realize it, the rest of us do actually realize what the problem is.
It's not that afk cloakers are safe, it's the fact that someone exists (at the keyboard or not) who can disrupt their acquisition of space money. So they make up all these fake reasons why afk cloaking is bad (if for nothing else than to lie to themselves) and fool themselves into believing it (like the miners did).
When the afk cloakers adapt (like, for instance, forgetting about the cloak and just putting a really really fast afk ceptor or T3 destroyer in the system, uncloaked but impossible to catch without a specialized link set up counter ceptor which no one will have available, the whining will restart and the people doing the whining will make up new reasons why 'afk ceptors' are too safe and how MWDs should shut off automatically after 10 minutes if there is no keyboard input...
Me? I'll be ratting my arse parts off and if someone does cloaky camp in the old way i'll pulse that structure (if it works that way), kill the fool, and stuff more isk into the EVE economy than I'm doing right now ... despite Confderation of XXPizza's best efforts.
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Malcaz
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:11:18 -
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If they make null local like WH local, you can still easily afk cloak... just say something and they'll know you are there, or just gank people randomly. In fact that'll be even worse because they have no idea of whether you left the system. AFK cloakers can terrorize even better. |
Organic Lager
Organic Lager Corporation
76
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:29:54 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kestrix wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: CCP shouldn't be developing in a way that compensates lazy and uncreative people for being lazy and uncreative. Thank you jenn aSide for supporting this new feature against afk cloakers I don't have a problem with it as described. here's what will happen. CCP will put in a structure that decloaks people every once in a while and 'cloakers' will still find some way to afk cloak (coupled with the fact that the majority of null pve farmers won't respond to a decloaked player anyways, even if they could, no matter what they say) and the whining will continue. I t will continue in the exact same way that miners continued to complain after the mining ship EHP buffs. They will continue to complain in the exact same way people complain about bumping even though CCP introduced ANCHOR RIGS. While the complainers will never realize it, the rest of us do actually realize what the problem is. It's not that afk cloakers are safe, it's the fact that someone exists (at the keyboard or not) who can disrupt their acquisition of space money. So they make up all these fake reasons why afk cloaking is bad (if for nothing else than to lie to themselves) and fool themselves into believing it (like the miners did). When the afk cloakers adapt (like, for instance, forgetting about the cloak and just putting a really really fast afk ceptor or T3 destroyer in the system, uncloaked but impossible to catch without a specialized link set up counter ceptor which no one will have available, the whining will restart and the people doing the whining will make up new reasons why 'afk ceptors' are too safe and how MWDs should shut off automatically after 10 minutes if there is no keyboard input... Me? I'll be ratting my arse parts off and if someone does cloaky camp in the old way i'll pulse that structure (if it works that way), kill the fool, and stuff more isk into the EVE economy than I'm doing right now ... despite Confderation of XXPizza's best efforts.
Your defence is yeah it's a bad mechanic but why bother changing it? Grrrrrrr change. When a loop hole is found we should actively seek to change it to close the loop hole, bonus points if we can do it with out opening another one.
Afk cloakers are not content, when they are declocked they will become content. If they aren't afk and are creating content then this wont affect them at all.
I would love to see more of these structures introduced to the game, why not allow us to build and defend our space better? more things to build, more things to defend and more things to blow up.
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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance
176
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:32:10 -
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I continued mining in Null despite having an AFK cloaker in system, what I found annoying was knowing that, that person could remain cloaked and afk as long as they wanted without risk to themselves whilst still posing a potential risk in system to people like myself in none combat ships.
Having a cloakey vessel in a system providing intel, warp to points and so on is fine and any mechanic introduced by CCP to help us find them can be easily countered by an active pilot by moving and re-cloaking. So this does not stop the role of this type of ship/game play. It does however punish lazy and risk adverse players who really do just leave AFK cloakers in systems unattended and this is good.
In recent times there has been a big push in hi-sec to punish miners for being AFK amongst other things and I think punishing the same type of game play in Null is a step in the right direction. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10351
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:50:40 -
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Organic Lager wrote:
Your defence is yeah it's a bad mechanic but why bother changing it? Grrrrrrr change. When a loop hole is found we should actively seek to change it to close the loop hole, bonus points if we can do it with out opening another one.
I don't have a 'defense' I'm telling it like it is. And it isn't a loop hole, the game was developed that way.
Quote: Afk cloakers are not content, when they are declocked they will become content. If they aren't afk and are creating content then this wont affect them at all.
Incorrect, afk cloakers cause adjustments (in my case, ratting with warp core stabbed FoF missile/sentry drones Rattlesnakes or other ships instead of my "empty system" set ups like my Machariel. They aren't content to weak people who run and dock up from them., but then, nothing is.
Quote: I would love to see more of these structures introduced to the game, why not allow us to build and defend our space better? more things to build, more things to defend and more things to blow up.
Because the defender has all the advantages now. This might change in the new system but I doubt it. A system that has too much defense results in immovable , entrenched groups and funny colored donuts.
We'll see how it all turns out, but going back to the original issue, the 'problem' isn't afk cloakers, it's risk averse null sec pve farmers, because those of us who farm in null and know how to deal with risk were never affected by cloakers, afk or otherwise. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:50:59 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:You guys still do not realize... it is the active ones you need to worry about.
The only problem with this pseudo-theory is that nobody has any way to tell when a player that is AFK comes back to the keyboard and becomes again a real threat.
Those using that line are disingenuous at best, and likely to shed many tears publicly once/if this de-cloaking pulse brings back the advantage to the currently active pilot, rather than to the mostly AFK pilot.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1568
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:52:10 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:AFK cloaking should be nerfed just as soon as someone can show how an afk cloaker can hurt anyone. Pretending you don't understand the problem doesn't make the problem go away. Its like saying hibernating bears are not dangerous because they're hibernating. ******** point of view to take isn't it. The title of the thread is to do with afk cloaking. My argument stands. Pretending that an afk cloaker is a problem is nonsense. afk cannot harm anyone. Player is at the keyboard in a cloaked ship, valid style of gameplay. Weapons do not do any harm you know? It's people who use weapons to harm other people. So why not sell weapons to everyone in any supermarket?
Your logic
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