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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2071
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:42:31 -
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AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS.
Why? Because the root issue is that an AFK cloaky (or person docked in station even) is exerting a meta force on the playing field, while not actually being at his computer. It's one thing to be actively playing and cloaky camping, but another entirely to be exerting a 'presence' in a system and a meta force on others gameplay, when you are actually out at the movies with your significant other. Sorry, but there is simply no defending that scenario.
CCP needs to implement an inactivity auto-logoff prompt ASAP, tuning the timeout value to taste (i.e. 15 mins, 20, 30..etc).
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Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:48:21 -
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Why are you all so angry? There is going to be no more pos shields so rorquals and orcas can't sit perfectly safe afk boosting anymore. I deem this a damn fair trade off for that. All this does is make there be only two ways to be afk in eve, inside of a station, or docked/moored with the other new constructs. Be happy that you'll get more targets to shoot without having to rely heavily on cloaks and cynos. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8071
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:51:36 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS.
Because it takes about 15 seconds to write a script to defeat it.
Are you new to these fancy new computing contraptions?
Mr Epeen
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10361
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Posted - 2015.03.23 19:55:04 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS. Because it takes about 15 seconds to write a script to defeat it. Are you new to these fancy new computing contraptions? Mr Epeen
Yea, but wouldn't they be able to do that with 'decloaking pulses' too? The idea I see floated is a structure emits a pulse to decloak things from time to time.
Botters still exist and I wouldn't put it past them. of course that is an opportunity for CCP to remove a botter. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2071
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Posted - 2015.03.23 20:21:54 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS. Because it takes about 15 seconds to write a script to defeat it. Are you new to these fancy new computing contraptions? Mr Epeen Because that would be similar to 'botting', and detectible/bannable offense? Hell dude, if you want to get all anal-retentive on my ass we could just add a captcha to the prompt...you know, fancy new human input verification contraptions?
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2071
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Posted - 2015.03.23 20:23:29 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS. Because it takes about 15 seconds to write a script to defeat it. Are you new to these fancy new computing contraptions? Mr Epeen Yea, but wouldn't they be able to do that with 'decloaking pulses' too? The idea I see floated is a structure emits a pulse to decloak things from time to time. Botters still exist and I wouldn't put it past them. of course that is an opportunity for CCP to remove a botter. The benefit of an inactivity prompt is it would also auto-log off AFK-docked people, who are also exerting a meta force of presence without actually being present in game. The timer could be tuned to taste, to still allow people time for a bio break, etc; but people not actively playing the game should not be exerting meta forces in game. Period.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2677
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Posted - 2015.03.23 20:26:21 -
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look guys I'm not permanently afk i just have ibs so I poop a lot ok. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1152
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Posted - 2015.03.23 20:27:12 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The bottom line on this topic is that the play style around denying playing of the game in such a manner that one need not have to play the game is one of the causes of the Great Malaise that has been killing this game.
I see the little quips about how an AFK player is of no harm. These are the people getting off on the Schrodinger's Cat game. All well and good then, but YOU cannot be AFK too.
It's a PVP game, remember? HTFU, remember?
All they want to do is prevent people who like to spend a sporadic hour hunting here and there and be logged in and cloaked somewhere for the remaining 23 hours.
It's very clear what they are doing and there is no more telling lies about it and gas lighting everybody else on the matter with little snarks.
All of the little strawmen set up to protect this griefing have been knocked down. The players who have noted that the mechanics in the past have favored this so called "play style" chose to play something else. When you make the sandbox into your litterbox and then complain about lack of targets then you should think of playing something else.
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Luna Arindale wrote:Why are you all so angry? There is going to be no more pos shields so rorquals and orcas can't sit perfectly safe afk boosting anymore. I deem this a damn fair trade off for that. All this does is make there be only two ways to be afk in eve, inside of a station, or docked/moored with the other new constructs. Be happy that you'll get more targets to shoot without having to rely heavily on cloaks and cynos. Attach / dock up/ log off as soon as a red is seen within 5 systems of your ship.
Do the same as soon as a red signature goes up. It might be a worm hole, wait until you are sure it is not.
Keep bending the game around to making these defenseless ships more gankable? Simply stop flying them. Accept that Skiffs and Miasmos'es are as good as it gets.
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Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics.
56
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Posted - 2015.03.23 20:48:58 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:look guys I'm not permanently afk i just have ibs so I poop a lot ok.
Ugh, this. I play another game with a 15-minute auto log out timer. I don't know what new breed of human being can poop that fast but dear God is it the most annoying goddamn thing in the world. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
35047
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Posted - 2015.03.23 20:58:18 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Luna Arindale wrote:Why are you all so angry? There is going to be no more pos shields so rorquals and orcas can't sit perfectly safe afk boosting anymore. I deem this a damn fair trade off for that. All this does is make there be only two ways to be afk in eve, inside of a station, or docked/moored with the other new constructs. Be happy that you'll get more targets to shoot without having to rely heavily on cloaks and cynos. Keep bending the game around to making these defenseless ships more gankable? If a Rorqual or Orca is boosting, then there are players active. If they can't defend their assets, then they don't deserve to keep them.
There's no need to just keep making the game safer and safer, just because there is a view that Rorquals and Orca's are defenceless. Be prepared to defend them or don't use them to gain a benefit in the first place.
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1182
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Posted - 2015.03.23 21:18:32 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Pft could grow balls so CCP gave out some.
Afk cloaking has never been a problem for us.
You have to have space worth camping, brah.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1182
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Posted - 2015.03.23 21:20:42 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS. Because it takes about 15 seconds to write a script to defeat it. Are you new to these fancy new computing contraptions? Mr Epeen
Enjoy your permaban.
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Darian Frost
Martyr's Vengence
11
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Posted - 2015.03.23 21:25:25 -
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Kamahl Daikun wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:look guys I'm not permanently afk i just have ibs so I poop a lot ok. Ugh, this. I play another game with a 15-minute auto log out timer. I don't know what new breed of human being can poop that fast but dear God is it the most annoying goddamn thing in the world.
I can do a full blown poop in like 30 seconds flat. It's a wonderful gift. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
402
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Posted - 2015.03.23 22:19:33 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:...but I hope they know that some of us don't need or appreciate their attempts to hold our hands. If you look like your Avatar PLEASE come hold my hand...
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Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.03.23 23:35:04 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6179
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Posted - 2015.03.23 23:40:31 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS. Because it takes about 15 seconds to write a script to defeat it. Are you new to these fancy new computing contraptions? Mr Epeen Yea, but wouldn't they be able to do that with 'decloaking pulses' too? The idea I see floated is a structure emits a pulse to decloak things from time to time. Botters still exist and I wouldn't put it past them. of course that is an opportunity for CCP to remove a botter. The benefit of an inactivity prompt is it would also auto-log off AFK-docked people, who are also exerting a meta force of presence without actually being present in game. The timer could be tuned to taste, to still allow people time for a bio break, etc; but people not actively playing the game should not be exerting meta forces in game. Period. F The flip side of the coin, as far as cloakers go, is that a decloaking pulse or slow calibrating cloaked vessel detector allows a chance to find and kill the cloaker. A inactivity prompt with auto-log off does not.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1152
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Posted - 2015.03.24 01:23:48 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Luna Arindale wrote:Why are you all so angry? There is going to be no more pos shields so rorquals and orcas can't sit perfectly safe afk boosting anymore. I deem this a damn fair trade off for that. All this does is make there be only two ways to be afk in eve, inside of a station, or docked/moored with the other new constructs. Be happy that you'll get more targets to shoot without having to rely heavily on cloaks and cynos. Keep bending the game around to making these defenseless ships more gankable? If a Rorqual or Orca is boosting, then there are players active. If they can't defend their assets, then they don't deserve to keep them. There's no need to just keep making the game safer and safer, just because there is a view that Rorquals and Orca's are defenceless. Be prepared to defend them or don't use them to gain a benefit in the first place. I have been advocating ways for Rorquals and Orcas to be seen in belts again with some sane reasoning.
The basic point is that EVE players will not sit around guarding a Rorqual with combat ships and they can be killed extremely quickly. Also considering the nature of Null Sec they could have a drive-by Titan dropped on them or a myriad of other things.
Most people won't and some will only float a Rorqual around once until it dies. Then they will not replace it under ludicrous decisions. (Keep in mind that this is me saying these things. I mine and I PVP. I am not one of the completely combat adverse miners who dock or die and won't undock until the enemies are well and truly gone.)
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2015.03.24 01:27:58 -
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At Fanfest CCP Rise talked about the possibility for a siege mode that a Rorq and Orca could have for themselves and for their fleet of mining ships. Lasting long enough for friends to come to the rescue from a system 6 jumps away. Doesn't sound like a change is coming anytime soon though. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8079
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Posted - 2015.03.24 01:30:16 -
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Soldarius wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:AFK cloaking has its own threads, over and over again...and I really wonder why CCP already hasn't implemented THIS. Because it takes about 15 seconds to write a script to defeat it. Are you new to these fancy new computing contraptions? Mr Epeen Enjoy your permaban.
Unless the game requires a captcha to reset the inactivity monitor, no one is going to get banned.
All a script needs to do is randomly move your mouse pointer one pixel to restart the inactivity monitor. Depends on the set up of the inactivity monitor of course, but most reset with a simple pointer gesture.
This is why CCP is not going to bother with one. Easy to defeat and impossible to tell an ATK pointer wiggle from an AFK pointer wiggle.
Mr Epeen
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DaReaper
Net 7
1861
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Posted - 2015.03.24 01:41:12 -
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As there is nothing written in stone, this doens;t mean bye bye afk cloaking. for all we know it just means they will remove local in null unless one of these is deployed. you really dunno WHAT it will do yet. So add your feed back to what you want them to do.
btw tl;dr the thread
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
205
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Posted - 2015.03.24 02:43:10 -
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im drinking afk cloaking campers tears.. I don't know about you guys..
but how does it taste?
I taste the fear!!
FEAR-BEER!!
Pour some out for the homies
tip up and get turned up
afk cloaking begone!!
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Josef Djugashvilis
2926
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Posted - 2015.03.24 07:55:25 -
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March rabbit wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:AFK cloaking should be nerfed just as soon as someone can show how an afk cloaker can hurt anyone. Pretending you don't understand the problem doesn't make the problem go away. Its like saying hibernating bears are not dangerous because they're hibernating. ******** point of view to take isn't it. The title of the thread is to do with afk cloaking. My argument stands. Pretending that an afk cloaker is a problem is nonsense. afk cannot harm anyone. Player is at the keyboard in a cloaked ship, valid style of gameplay. Weapons do not do any harm you know? It's people who use weapons to harm other people. So why not sell weapons to everyone in any supermarket? Your logic
Sorry, but your response is your, well, Iogic, not mine.
If a miner is afk and gets ganked it is his fault for being afk, if the same player is afk in a cloaked ship he is now a threat?
Weird.
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
33991
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Posted - 2015.03.24 08:00:59 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:im drinking afk cloaking campers tears.. I don't know about you guys..
but how does it taste?
I taste the fear!!
FEAR-BEER!!
Pour some out for the homies
tip up and get turned up
afk cloaking begone!!
(begins moonwalking)
the tears from this one. his butthurt is strong.
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Tron Flux
Warlock Assassins
2
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Posted - 2015.03.24 08:30:05 -
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I can't help but think that the whole idea that meta-gaming while AFK == bad is a completely invented concept.
Exhibit A: the forums.
Since when are we not allowed to influence the way people play the game outside of the game or away from the keyboard? We have EvE blogs, and EvE maps, and EvE fitting tools, and EvE chat channels.
Many, if not most, people who play this game regularly have their game play influenced by people who are not at their keyboards right this very second.
Yeah, we aren't allowed to do certain very specific things while AFK. We can't blow stuff up. And we can't mine stuff. But that is an incredibly far cry from saying that you can't influence the players at all while you're AFK.
I think many people have jumped to an incredibly hasty generalization that says because we can't do x, we can't do some superset of x because of some imaginary general principle.
There might be other things wrong with AFK cloaking. But I'm quite certain that influencing the way some people play the game while away from it isn't a thing CCP really thinks of as an issue. Otherwise, we have a whole crap-ton of nerfs headed our way.
Obviously, CCP has historically made a clear distinction between influencing the players of the game, and having an in-game effect. Having and effect on the game while AFK? Kind of a big no-no. Affecting the way people play the game? That has, so far, been completely acceptable.
I'm not really sure why anyone would want that to change. It would be an enormous nerf to 'bears of all kinds if CCP were to change their attitude about this. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
402
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Posted - 2015.03.24 10:42:51 -
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I find it hilarious how doing absolutely nothing can fill people with paralyzing fear...
I like to hop into a Manticore and fly 60-70 jumps through Null to see what I can see. One time, I found an NPC station in Null and decided to park there for 2 weeks. I would log on and sit for hours chatting in my NPC Corp Chat. Finally after 2 weeks, someone asked me to chat. He wanted to know what I was doing in "their" station. Seems some Null Corp had set up their HO in this NPC station. They were scared I was some kind of spy who was watching them for nefarious reasons. So for the two weeks, they had stopped 90% of their ISK earning activity until I moved on.
I told them to relax, I was just hanging out. I'm betting they didn't believe me but who cares. And I learned I have a power I had no idea I had... |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5233
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Posted - 2015.03.24 12:43:22 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sorry, but your response is your, well, Iogic, not mine.
If a miner is afk and gets ganked it is his fault for being afk, if the same player is afk in a cloaked ship he is now a threat?
Weird. Dude, it's real simple. A cloaked pilot who is not AFK is definitely a threat, as he can come and kill you. There is no way to tell whether a pilot is AFK or not, thus an AFK pilot cloaked shhould be considered as much of a potential threat as a non-AFK one.
And for what you said, why doesn't that work both ways? A miner is AFK - he gets ganked. Why then if a cloaker is AFK should he not get the exact same treatment? Why can a cloaker go AFK indefinitely and retain 100% safety?
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kitsune Sabre
Imperial Guardians Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2015.03.24 12:55:40 -
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somebody using cloaking device no big deal if I get attacked by that person then one of my friends could come over and help me deal with them I'm not going to be a coward over one person |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5233
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:01:25 -
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kitsune Sabre wrote:somebody using cloaking device no big deal if I get attacked by that person then one of my friends could come over and help me deal with them I'm not going to be a coward over one person Good for you.
I guess it's completely fine to have mechanics which allow people to have an effect - regardless of how minor - while they are asleep or at work with 100% safety because you don't care. At the end of the day, to play EVE you should play EVE. If you **** off to work and leave yourself logged in and in space you should expect to be dead by the time you get back. It's really that simple.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10375
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:07:05 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sorry, but your response is your, well, Iogic, not mine.
If a miner is afk and gets ganked it is his fault for being afk, if the same player is afk in a cloaked ship he is now a threat?
Weird. Dude, it's real simple. A cloaked pilot who is not AFK is definitely a threat, as he can come and kill you. There is no way to tell whether a pilot is AFK or not, thus an AFK pilot cloaked shhould be considered as much of a potential threat as a non-AFK one. And for what you said, why doesn't that work both ways? A miner is AFK - he gets ganked. Why then if a cloaker is AFK should he not get the exact same treatment? Why can a cloaker go AFK indefinitely and retain 100% safety?
Because the afk cloaked, unlike the afk miner, can't interact with the environment in the same way.
The 'danger' narrative is a false one, people don't dock up because a cloaker is present, which is why 'afk cloaking' isn't a problem in worlmhoel space.
The problem is that in dominion CCP took anomalies and made the the center of the systems up grade scheme. Becasue anoms are open sites like belts, a cloaker can warp to one, decloak, point a pve ship and light a cyno, dropping enough ships on the pve boat to kill it quickly.
In other words, afk cloaking is the emergent gameplay counter to the anomaly farms Dominion created. And some of the farmers don't like it. So for 6 years now they yhave complained about it (while failing to complain about our anomaly farms that spew liquid isk every 20 minutes like old yeller).
This is why I could never bring myself to 'hate' cloakers, I KNOW the benefit I get from farmable anomalies (according to that niffty stats website, across the 3 characters I use in null I made 250 BILLION isk last year from null sec, mostly anoms, and another 100 bil from high sec incursions and mission on a 4th character. I have 2 bil in my wallet because budgeting is not my thing lol). Complaining about afk cloakers would be dishonest because even with them there I pried a quarter TRILLION isk out of null. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
253
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:07:17 -
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kitsune Sabre wrote:somebody using cloaking device no big deal if I get attacked by that person then one of my friends could come over and help me deal with them I'm not going to be a coward over one person
yeah ok good luck, do you think the cloaky is just going to throw sisters probes at you till your "friend" arrives, no he gonna throw 15+ man bomber fleet at you
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