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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:52:54 -
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While I certainly take advantage of the fun to be had with AFK cloaking, I'm not going to have an episode if CCP comes up with a counter for it. There are plenty of other ways to disrupt systems now and there are many still to be worked out in the future.
The clever people adapt and the entitled cry. So it has always been and so it will always be.
Mr Epeen
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Josef Djugashvilis
2927
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:28:32 -
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Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6497
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:53:39 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If a highsec miner or hauler can't be AFK, then the nullsec hot dropper can't be AFK either.
The "AFK" cloaker is not earning personal income via that mechanic. They're two totally different things. But hey, if you want to start that ball rolling, I'll go ahead. Mining lasers should not auto cycle. Quote: It's time for the griefing community to stop trying to gaslight the rest of us on this. Everybody who plays across the spectrum knows exactly what the arguments against a nerf to AFK cloaking really say.
That comparing apples and oranges isn't appropriate, no matter how times people like you try?
Look, I appreciate it that you keep trying, but you are not going to help your own cause with your mindless Church of HTFU dogma.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1162
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:16:40 -
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Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cant wait to hear the screams out outrage when CCP changes local chat in null to the same as WH space. people will just leave nullsec, rather go to a wormhole if they ever done that, more money and safer +1 Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end. Trouble is that it is being used by whole coalitions to hot drop into every system and there is no way of digging that hot dropper out once they take root.
They just sit there, day in and day out and pick off people in low time zones or newbies to Null.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1686
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:01:47 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.
There is no economic impact. Your enemies will just move one system over and farm there. The amount farmed is the same. Just check Dotlan for rat kill data, the total number stays the same.
However, once new sov rolls around, it means you just moved system defense one system over, which is very significant. This is why CCP have to nerf it now of all times - because it's not compatible with new sov. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
853
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:34:13 -
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The sooner this happens the better.
Afk in any shape and form is cancer and instant intel and afk combined is even more disgusting. |
Nina Lowel
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2015.03.26 23:23:51 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:AFK cloaking should be nerfed just as soon as someone can show how an afk cloaker can hurt anyone.
It's not about whether or not they are AFK. It's about not being able to hunt them. People want to hunt them. If they are stationary they should be findable, or even if they are moving while cloaked. Anyone is a system should be find-able given time. |
Nina Lowel
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2015.03.26 23:27:54 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.
Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1164
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Posted - 2015.03.27 00:37:06 -
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sabre906 wrote:There is no economic impact. Your enemies will just move one system over and farm there. . You haven't seen blanket AFK camping, have you?
We worked out their staging system by backward calculating and basically triangulating where all their cyno alts could reach.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Josef Djugashvilis
2927
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:23:17 -
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Nina Lowel wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end. Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else.
I have never ever been afk and left a ship in space.
I dock up even for bio breaks.
But I do love scaring the bejasus out of folk with one ship.
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Trii Seo
725
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:40:51 -
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Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore.
Viva la revolution!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5250
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:54:03 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I have never ever been afk and left a ship in space.
I dock up even for bio breaks.
But I do love scaring the bejasus out of folk with one ship. Then that's fine, you'd be unaffected by the change since you would simply move and recloak. The point is that cloaking is good, cloaking is great, but the ability to remain completely safe while AFK in space is not.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5250
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:55:31 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore. Sure. I mean a lot of things wouldn't be needed since the vast majority of null players would move to wormholes or high sec and null would become a desolate wasteland covered with the tears of players looking for ratters to kill, but sure, AFK cloaking would be gone too.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1575
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Posted - 2015.03.27 08:47:03 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Nina Lowel wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end. Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else. I have never ever been afk and left a ship in space. I dock up even for bio breaks. But I do love scaring the bejasus out of folk with one ship. So you actuallyhave no ideas what these people talk about? And you are making touch comments? Great forum job
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
522
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:30:42 -
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So.. this is where we've come to.
It only took 11 years to reward people actually at the keyboard. This change in combination with the other structures promises great things.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
522
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:36:31 -
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Nina Lowel wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end. Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else.
The real issue has always been how people claim they should be entitled to an intel network is hostile territory without a credible threat of being rooted out and terminated as you would expect a nations counter-intelligence to do. This game which so claims to incorporate real life meta tactics has always made it mechanically impossible to reinforce at the nuts&bolts level. The notion that knowing about a spy and being unable to police it is credulous at best and I laugh at the abject idiots who defended this outmoded gameplay.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15529
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Posted - 2015.03.27 12:23:33 -
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Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6499
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:07:32 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement.
Local cuts both ways.
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Myrradah
Apotheosis of Caledvwich Dirt Nap Squad.
14
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:22:58 -
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If it truly will only identify AFK cloakers, how do you all think CCP will do that?
My guess is this - a window will appear stating you are being target / hunted by the intelligence array, you will need to move in order to not be detected.
So in other words, if you are truly afk, yup, youll get caught, but if you are at the keyboard you shouldn't be decloaked. Im not afk. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1169
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Posted - 2015.03.28 03:39:44 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore. Recons + D-scan immunity + mobile depot + cloak to evade probesbaltec1 wrote:Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement. Worm Holes will be sweet heaven as you can't hot drop there.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Shaklu
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2015.03.28 03:45:12 -
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I like it. New stuff is cool, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but always fun to try it out! |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1169
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Posted - 2015.03.28 04:00:13 -
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Shaklu wrote:I like it. New stuff is cool, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but always fun to try it out! Hang on, I have a new iron maiden and some vinegar. Want to try it out?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15530
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Posted - 2015.03.28 06:30:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore. Recons + D-scan immunity + mobile depot + cloak to evade probes baltec1 wrote:Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement. Worm Holes will be sweet heaven as you can't hot drop there.
Cant have one without the other.
You people pushed and this is the end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1570
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Posted - 2015.03.28 09:50:01 -
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Wait, this is an extreme counter to cloaky forum posting. Eve will be ruined!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5262
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:51:22 -
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baltec1 wrote:You people pushed and this is the end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon. I'd be very surprised if they did push forward the local change. Null sec would empty out. The bulk of the people crying about it will be the ones flying system to system for hours on end and finding no PvE players to kill. To be honest I don't really care if they kill null with a change like that, since it will prove a point to all of the idiots that think PvE players would just hand themselves over to be farmed if the mechanics changed.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4373
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:59:52 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:baltec1 wrote:You people pushed and this is the end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon. I'd be very surprised if they did push forward the local change. Null sec would empty out. The bulk of the people crying about it will be the ones flying system to system for hours on end and finding no PvE players to kill. To be honest I don't really care if they kill null with a change like that, since it will prove a point to all of the idiots that think PvE players would just hand themselves over to be farmed if the mechanics changed. isn't the usual attack 'you just want local to remain so you can kill pve players easier'?
or was it 'you just want local to remain so you can pve with no risk, nullbear'?
maybe it was 'you just want local to be removed to catalyse the summoning rituals of the dark lord'
frankly human sacrifices work just fine in wormholes and there's no hotdrop there to interrupt long chanting sessions
please explain how an afk player can summon an elder monstrosity from beyond reality |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12323
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:21:15 -
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Benny, shh!
Let them go on thinking it will end up being a net buff to safety, we have the potential Freighter nerf thead 2.0 going on here!
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15532
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:02:10 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:baltec1 wrote:You people puse end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon. I'd be very surprised if they did push forward the local change. Null sec would empty out. The bulk of the people crying about it will be the ones flying system to system for hours on end and finding no PvE players to kill. To be honest I don't really care if they kill null with a change like that, since it will prove a point to all of the idiots that think PvE players would just hand themselves over to be farmed if the mechanics changed.
Its going to happen when you get your nerf to afk cloaking, CCP have more or less admitted this. We did warn you.
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Darren Airtex
Born Imperialism
15
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Posted - 2015.03.29 04:01:09 -
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Things that make you go...............hhhhmmmmmm.
I have used a cloak to find gate camps and send that information to the current roaming FW fleet. That information is then used by the FC to determine either to fight or go around. |
AFK Cloaker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2015.03.29 09:09:25 -
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