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Lord Sid
Minmatar Lordless
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:12:00 -
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A bookmark is intended to save you time, but it takes longer to load the places folder then it does just to search for your destination.
My use of bookmarks includes instas (gate to gate) and bookmarking loot cans so I can go back after a mission and collect.
Whats ironical about this is instas are the exact opposite intent of bookmarks. What compounds this is it wouldn't take forever to open my places folder if I didn't have these instas. Whats even more ironical is I would delete my loot bookmarks but it takes forever to load the places folder to get to them. So I don't.
So really EVE has actually kicked it's own ass in this regard. -=Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=- |
Mandrake Knight
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:15:00 -
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Try opening p&p in a station and then minimizing it for your playing duration. It's a lot faster.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:15:00 -
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Ironical isn't a word.
Also
We need to dust off and nuke the bookmarks from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Ironicly, I just read a thread where Valar talks about how the design team is working on a solution to bookmarks, and how he wants to delete them when it's possible. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Ilmonstre
Minmatar 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrake Knight Try opening p&p in a station and then minimizing it for your playing duration. It's a lot faster.
that depends on the amount of bookmakrs. if you have too manny you will lagwarp each jump you make
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Sovelis
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:25:00 -
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If you are in system you don't need to open your places folder.
Just right click in open space and all system BM are there.
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Cygg
Minmatar Shoal of the Intrepid Righteousness New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:28:00 -
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Try putting you BM's into seperate folders and closing those said folders so the BM's don't load everytime you open your P&P. I have all mine broken down into region and keep those folders closed unless I need to look in them. Takes me about a second to open the P&P and get what I need done, done.
I have about 6k BM's I would hate to see how long it would take for P&P to load if I had all those out in the main folder.
P.S. Also put your loot cans BM's in the main folder, that way you can erase them as you get to them.
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Khabok
Dark Lancers
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Khabok on 20/10/2006 16:28:26
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironical isn't a word.
WTF are you going on about again?
Ironical
Looks like a word to me.
Khab
There are only four things in life.The first one is Love: Cherish that one, and keep it safe, for the other three are Fear, Hatred, and Sorrow. |
Angry Alt
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironical isn't a word.
dictionary.com thinks differently
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironicly
Ironically, ironicly isn't a word.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Alt
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironical isn't a word.
dictionary.com thinks differently
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironicly
Ironically, ironicly isn't a word.
HA-HA SIMPSON! ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:34:00 -
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i would be suprised if they delete all bms, just the instabms. i wonder how they would do this, without affecting peoples' tactical bms, and other ones.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 20/10/2006 16:37:55
Originally by: Masu'di i would be suprised if they delete all bms, just the instabms. i wonder how they would do this, without affecting peoples' tactical bms, and other ones.
Well, each BM has coordinates, so do gates...
Maybe they can run a script that will kill all the BM's within a certain "distance" to the gates, like 17km, lol...
Then not allow anyone to create a BM within 100km of a gate or something... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
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Lord Sid
Minmatar Lordless
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sovelis If you are in system you don't need to open your places folder.
Just right click in open space and all system BM are there.
wow, i've been playing for 2 years now and never knew that!
/kidding
This still doesn't let you delete them from the right click menu. Which is essentially one of my gripes.
-=Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=- |
Khabok
Dark Lancers
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:50:00 -
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Personally, I think that there should be no BMs within 150k of a gate or station. It even makes sense in in-game terms: No station or gate manager wants ships warping in so close... one small course change away from putting tens of thousands of workers at risk?
It would actually be not all difficult to write a script that would go through the database, and compare the bookmark coordinates to known gate and station coordinates, and if withing a certain distance, delete them.
This would allow bookmarks to remain for things such as Loot Cans, Safespots, POSs, but destroy them for travel. It has been stated again and again by the devs that Instas were never an intended usage of the bookmark feature, and that ships were intended to be a trade-off between maneuverability and firepower.
Now, I use them both, because currently it's a state of "Have or Have Not", and the Have Nots get killed far too easily by the Haves.
I say, turn us all into Have Nots and make the footing equal.
Khabok
There are only four things in life.The first one is Love: Cherish that one, and keep it safe, for the other three are Fear, Hatred, and Sorrow. |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:35:00 -
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Pretty much.
I have a full set, I'm not sure how I feel about the elimination of them, it's obviously going to help/hurt people in one way or another.
Adding a warp to 0 option helps people that were too lazy to have bms. Making people slowboat 15km helps empire wars/pirates/gankers.
I would go so far as to say you will see 75% (alliances alts ftw) of the people in empire in NPC corps if slowboating is the only option, it will be a free for all wardec gank fest
Obviously something had to be down about the impact on the servers, it will be interesting to see exactly what they end up doing.
I too never delete my loot bms now, as it takes far too long.
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Rouka Xedge
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake We need to dust off and nuke the bookmarks from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Now hold on a second. I'm not authorizing that action.
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Lord Sid
Minmatar Lordless
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:46:00 -
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I feel the best solution to insta marks is to solve it with skills.
Warp Calibration - For each level of "Warp Calibration" it is possible to warp 2km closer to anything.
This would allow people with the skill at level 5 to get 5km from a warp point. I think if this was possible instas would be unreasonable. -=Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=- |
Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Khabok Edited by: Khabok on 20/10/2006 16:28:26
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironical isn't a word.
WTF are you going on about again?
Ironical
Looks like a word to me.
Khab
did you mean ironic?
This is fun, next I'll quote a web article that says Khabok is the name of the first president of britian.
Incidently, I'll conceede that "ironical" is a word. In the sense that you can write it and say it.
___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Sid Whats ironical about this is instas are the exact opposite intent of bookmarks.
Don't be so sure. The Player Guide includes a little tutorial on how to make insta bookmarks, and says that they separate the advanced players from the novices. Check it out, under 6. Mining Guide. Look at the section titled "Setting bookmarks."
Quote: So really EVE has actually kicked it's own ass in this regard.
That much is certain. -- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Araxmas
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Araxmas on 20/10/2006 18:14:12 Would it be possible for your own bookmarks to be stored on your computer so that eve just searches your comp for bookmarks. Yes this means you will loose them if you format your comp but i wouldnt really mind that. --------
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Ridley Tree
Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
did you mean ironic?
This is fun, next I'll quote a web article that says Khabok is the name of the first president of britian.
Incidently, I'll conceede that "ironical" is a word. In the sense that you can write it and say it.
Webster > Google. Far, far greater.
Main Entry: iron+ic Pronunciation: "I-'rS-nik also i-'rS- Variant(s): also iron+i+cal /-ni-k&l/ Function: adjective
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/ironical
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Lord Sid
Minmatar Lordless
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Sid on 20/10/2006 18:20:44
Originally by: Araxmas Edited by: Araxmas on 20/10/2006 18:14:12 Would it be possible for your own bookmarks to be stored on your computer so that eve just searches your comp for bookmarks. Yes this means you will loose them if you format your comp but i wouldnt really mind that.
That would make bookmarks hackable. No amount of encryption would make them safe. I believe they should be cached on your home computer and not download them every time you start eve. Caching while verifying against the server would be safe.
p.s. Why have you guys derailed my thread with all this lame langauge crap? -=Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=- |
Araxmas
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:24:00 -
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ah didn't think about that. --------
The only way i'm sexy on a sig is when im hidden behind fancy effects. |
Khabok
Dark Lancers
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Posted - 2006.10.20 19:43:00 -
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Here's what's pretty much a given:
1) BMs take up considerable server time and database access time. (Last post I read by a dev on this was something in the range of 14% to 17%) The devs would like to eliminate BMs as best they can concerning the usage of instas and travel without taking them completely out of the game. This has been posted by the devs, and is fact.
2) The devs never intended for ships to have travel time so significantly reduced by instas as to make the travel time differences between a fast ships like a frigate and a slow ship like a battleship nonexistant. In essence, and they have posted to this effect, they want travel time to be an issue in ship usage and ship selection.
3) Ironical is a word. It's in the dictionary.
Khabok
There are only four things in life.The first one is Love: Cherish that one, and keep it safe, for the other three are Fear, Hatred, and Sorrow. |
Zing Ashuwanik
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Posted - 2006.10.20 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Sid I believe they should be cached on your home computer and not download them every time you start eve. Caching while verifying against the server would be safe.
It wouldn't make them safe at all. if you verify them on client start, they can be edited (copied in from another location) by tabbing out. If you verify them on every gate jump, you're in the same situation you're in now.
if they are in any way stored locally, they will be vulnerable. Anyone remember the ability to use a memory editor to alter your runspeed in EQ1?
The only way to have them local and not abusable would be to have it simply impossible to warp to the spots they don't want. The big fear of locally editable BMs seems to be the ability to make absurd safe spots.
If the bookmark was checked at warp time to ensure that it is not more than N AU from a celestial body, that should be sufficient.
But then, I am not of malicious enough mind to really think of ways to abuse locally edited bookmarks
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2006.10.20 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
did you mean ironic?
This is fun, next I'll quote a web article that says Khabok is the name of the first president of britian.
Incidently, I'll conceede that "ironical" is a word. In the sense that you can write it and say it.
Webster > Google. Far, far greater.
Main Entry: iron+ic Pronunciation: "I-'rS-nik also i-'rS- Variant(s): also iron+i+cal /-ni-k&l/ Function: adjective
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/ironical
Webster is not an english language dictionary, its american language.
irony - noun ironic - adjective ironing - verb (need a crease in the trousers)
I just spilt my drink laughing
Is webster a colouring-in book ? (note spelling of colouring)
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Kedryn Caitin
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Posted - 2006.10.20 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Webster is not an english language dictionary, its american language.
irony - noun ironic - adjective ironing - verb (need a crease in the trousers)
I just spilt my drink laughing
Is webster a colouring-in book ? (note spelling of colouring)
How about the Compact Oxford English Dictionary as found online?
Boredom
First time posting in an insta thread and I only do it as I am not speaking on the insta problem.
OK, on a serious note, I would like to see a solution to the insta problem and I wish the Devs luck. I have rolled that one around inside the old bone box and I have not found a solution that would be completely (or mostly) satisfying to all sides.
It is a thorny problem that needs to be addressed if for no other reason tha server load. I am just glad I don't have to be the one to wear the flame suit when it is rolled in.
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Shabesa
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Posted - 2006.10.20 21:37:00 -
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Oh ffs, instas WILL change now drop bloody subject already.
If you had yours in folders P&P would open just fine and since every new one you make is placed in root folder you could also delete temporary ones easy enough.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.20 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Alt
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironical isn't a word.
dictionary.com thinks differently
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Ironicly
Ironically, ironicly isn't a word.
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Angry Alt
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Posted - 2006.10.21 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Alt on 21/10/2006 09:53:14
Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Ridley Tree
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
did you mean ironic?
This is fun, next I'll quote a web article that says Khabok is the name of the first president of britian.
Incidently, I'll conceede that "ironical" is a word. In the sense that you can write it and say it.
Webster > Google. Far, far greater.
Main Entry: iron+ic Pronunciation: "I-'rS-nik also i-'rS- Variant(s): also iron+i+cal /-ni-k&l/ Function: adjective
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/ironical
Webster is not an english language dictionary, its american language.
irony - noun ironic - adjective ironing - verb (need a crease in the trousers)
I just spilt my drink laughing
Is Webster Dictionary a colouring-in book ? (note spelling of colouring)
Is the webster dictionary a coloring-in book? LOL, it's a de-facto publication of english, not just American language.
Are you just completely ignorant despite the facts, just like to be an arse? Next I expect to hear that ABC, NBC, etc. and the like aren't news organizations because they're American.
I just puked all over my desk laughing at you.
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.21 10:03:00 -
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England and America are two countries separated by the same language. George Bernard Shaw
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Knowing all, when all is unknown.
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