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Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
92
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:24:41 -
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Capsuleers,
If I may have a moment of your time to indulge my curiosity, I have a question for you.
If you possessed a perfect weapon, that is, a weapon that could kill, maim or incapacitate any number of people with utter exactitude, without any risk of collateral damage. what would you use it for?
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
175
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:31:53 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Capsuleers,
If I may have a moment of your time to indulge my curiosity, I have a question for you.
If you possessed a perfect weapon, that is, a weapon that could kill, maim or incapacitate any number of people with utter exactitude, without any risk of collateral damage. what would you use it for?
Use it to destroy itself so no one else may possess a weapon of this magnitude. Only God should be allowed to wield perfect power and the risk of such a thing getting in to the wrong hands would be too great.
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Overload Everything
289
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Posted - 2015.03.22 17:10:23 -
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I would keep it ready to go at a moments notice but never use it unless it was absolutely necessary, which probably wouldn't take too long to happen... |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
397
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Posted - 2015.03.22 17:28:43 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:If you possessed a perfect weapon, that is, a weapon that could kill, maim or incapacitate any number of people with utter exactitude, without any risk of collateral damage. what would you use it for? I wouldn't.
... that's what I'd like to say. I don't really know. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
744
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:07:48 -
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The only appropriate use would be to police those who would do evil. Of course, defining evil and the conditions under which said weapon would be used is another matter. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
338
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:16:11 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Capsuleers,
If I may have a moment of your time to indulge my curiosity, I have a question for you.
If you possessed a perfect weapon, that is, a weapon that could kill, maim or incapacitate any number of people with utter exactitude, without any risk of collateral damage. what would you use it for?
The complete and total extermination of the Minmatar people (give or take a tiny number who have renounced their Minmatarness and joined the true faith). |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
912
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:18:37 -
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I would break it up into pieces to understand how it works. |
Sinjin Mokk
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:36:28 -
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The appropriate answer is, "God's Will."
Yes, that is a worrisome answer.
Dark Amarr: Interlude
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4558
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Posted - 2015.03.22 19:42:42 -
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Why is this morally difficult? All of you use weapons that work on this scale but imprecisely already - it would only be a difficult question if the weapon was effective, cheap, potent but utterly indiscriminate.
All of us have lists of people who shouldn't be alive. I do. I'd use this weapon to remove them in a heartbeat.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Miyamoto Takedi
State Protectorate Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:49:01 -
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A weapon is only as infallible as it's user. I would store such a device securely, from your description, it would like be best saved as a last resort.
Though I will admit, the temptation would be there to simply permanently remove any annoyance or threat once and for all.
If such a weapon truly existed though, there are certainly those who I would hate to see gain use of one. |
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TomHorn
Horn and Brothers Ndrangheta.
233
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:58:00 -
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All Gallente citizens that remain on Caldari Prime, finally end the occupation. I do not believe we will ever have our homeworld returned any other way.
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Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
221
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:44:41 -
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Use it to kill Nauplius and his clones, then secure it until I need it again.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
724
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Posted - 2015.03.22 23:47:38 -
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Can this weapon travel through time? If so I'd kill anyone that ever came up with creating us as immortals. I'd then sit back and laugh at how the universe deals with the causality issues such an act would create. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:35:45 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I would break it up into pieces to understand how it works.
What a coincidence! That's also my plan!
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
209
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Posted - 2015.03.23 04:25:30 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote: what would you use it for?
To kill that **** who cutted in front of me during the ******* Super Mega-rib sammich special today \
NEVER **** with a man trying to get a Rib sammich |
Evie Vecodie
Drone Welfare Association
3
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Posted - 2015.03.23 06:27:18 -
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I would stop anyone who tries to do harm to the drones. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1621
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:36:23 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Capsuleers,
If I may have a moment of your time to indulge my curiosity, I have a question for you.
If you possessed a perfect weapon, that is, a weapon that could kill, maim or incapacitate any number of people with utter exactitude, without any risk of collateral damage. what would you use it for?
I have a little list, of those who won't be missed.............
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1677
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:48:54 -
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If one cannot stomach the casualties of "collateral damage" then don't resort to violence in the first place. Fanciful and wishful thinking to desire only killing the people you want to kill without harming others so that the burdens of conscience can be rationalized and justified away in the pursuit of "humanitarian" weapons systems. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
403
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:15:56 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Why is this morally difficult? All of you use weapons that work on this scale but imprecisely already - it would only be a difficult question if the weapon was effective, cheap, potent but utterly indiscriminate.
All of us have lists of people who shouldn't be alive. I do. I'd use this weapon to remove them in a heartbeat. Only, we don't have weapons like this, Mr. Tuulinen.
She placed no limits on effective range or maximum numbers targeted. It could annihilate a head of state, the head of state's political supporters (if identified), an entire nation, or all humans everywhere with equal ease.
It's a god from a machine, and you're the god.
None of us are qualified for power like that. |
Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
121
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:36:46 -
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The qualification question is somewhat relative. Most of us aren't qualified for safety scissors. It's never stopped anyone before. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4562
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:50:04 -
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I am already a 'god from the machine'. We tend to under-appreciate the sheer destructive ability we would have if Concord allowed us to target planetary populations. Even a reasonably ordinary missile armed cruiser has the ability to volley hundreds of nuclear tipped missiles (or worse!) in minutes.
As I said, the only real difference was the use of the word 'exactitude' - the idea that the weapon would kill only those we intended for it to kill - allowing it's deployment to remove those we regard as deserving of the fate without wiping out whole cities alongside them.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
403
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:02:21 -
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Iwan Terpalen wrote:The qualification question is somewhat relative. Most of us aren't qualified for safety scissors. It's never stopped anyone before. Was I really unclear? What I was getting at was:
"Nobody should have power like that."
Not because we'd set out to use it for bad purposes, but because our wisdom and knowledge are limited.
It's precisely the not stopping anybody that's a problem here.
I'm not even sure it would stop me. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
403
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:03:42 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I am already a 'god from the machine'. We tend to under-appreciate the sheer destructive ability we would have if Concord allowed us to target planetary populations. Even a reasonably ordinary missile armed cruiser has the ability to volley hundreds of nuclear tipped missiles (or worse!) in minutes.
As I said, the only real difference was the use of the word 'exactitude' - the idea that the weapon would kill only those we intended for it to kill - allowing it's deployment to remove those we regard as deserving of the fate without wiping out whole cities alongside them. Respectfully, Mr. Tuulinen, there's a big gap between being able to kill lots of people and being able to kill everybody. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4563
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:55:23 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Respectfully, Mr. Tuulinen, there's a big gap between being able to kill lots of people and being able to kill everybody.
I assumed the use of the words "any number of people" was hyperbole. If it was not, then you're certainly right. I'll have to lean on Astera a bit and find out what in Divinity's Edge she's talking about.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
404
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:00:14 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Respectfully, Mr. Tuulinen, there's a big gap between being able to kill lots of people and being able to kill everybody. I assumed the use of the words "any number of people" was hyperbole. If it was not, then you're certainly right. I'll have to lean on Astera a bit and find out what in Divinity's Edge she's talking about. I did, a little bit.
She seems to have initially thought of it the same as you do, but she didn't try to correct my interpretation or tell me I was taking it too far, either. |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
71
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:19:36 -
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I'd rather the ability to dictate who gets cloned again and who doesn't. Killing my problems is not difficult, keeping them dead... |
Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
222
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:26:08 -
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Iwan Terpalen wrote:The qualification question is somewhat relative. Most of us aren't qualified for safety scissors. It's never stopped anyone before. Safety scissors trained to V, construction paper V, glue V, glitter and noodles V..... Yeah, I am arts and crafts qualified all around.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
122
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:39:16 -
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Have you considered applying to Ushra'Khan? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4563
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Posted - 2015.03.23 18:02:59 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Respectfully, Mr. Tuulinen, there's a big gap between being able to kill lots of people and being able to kill everybody. I assumed the use of the words "any number of people" was hyperbole. If it was not, then you're certainly right. I'll have to lean on Astera a bit and find out what in Divinity's Edge she's talking about. I did, a little bit. She seems to have initially thought of it the same as you do, but she didn't try to correct my interpretation or tell me I was taking it too far, either.
I have access to levers you, perhaps, do not.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1678
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Posted - 2015.03.23 18:04:36 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Iwan Terpalen wrote:The qualification question is somewhat relative. Most of us aren't qualified for safety scissors. It's never stopped anyone before. Safety scissors trained to V, construction paper V, glue V, glitter and noodles V..... Yeah, I am arts and crafts qualified all around.
Excellent skills to construct the traditional Matari paper tigers.
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