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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2098
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:08:48 -
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Fanfest 2015 was awesome and I'll be going to Fanfest 2016 to join the fun. Looking at all the twitch streams I noticed one nice presentation by CCP Rise.
Have a look at these 4 slides from this presentation :
One, two, three and four.
CCP Rise says : People who die play longer (Talking about new players in Eve)
Since Marmites is one of the alliances who probably kills most of the players in high-sec (like RvB, Eve Uni, Forsaken Asylum, etc), should CCP be hiring us ? it will keep more newbro's in the game.
Tora
The Marmite Collective aka CCP's Isk Sink aka CCP Keep Newbro's in Game.
TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2213
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:15:28 -
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It was a good time.
The PvP room needs a re-imagining... The line for Valkyrie was always 2 hours or longer.... A ticket system would be nice. That would make it so you didn't miss half the content to see a ten minute demo.
The presentation on diplomacy given by scion from goonswarm was beyond great... Maybe one of the best public speakers I have seen...
Hopefully I'll be allowed to go next time.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
553
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:41:46 -
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Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. |
Mobadder Thworst
Covert Operations The Volition Cult
104
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Posted - 2015.03.22 19:09:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers.
Uhh... the study says "in the first 15 days of play." It's not other 15 day olds getting those retention numbers.
I wonder if I'll get a "retention" award... |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2099
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Posted - 2015.03.22 19:09:54 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. What you see is what you get. They made the same wrong assumptions as you did, but were man enough to admit it after proper research.
Wars and Ganking are good for Eve..... Let's buff it and make Eve an even better place. \\//
TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Dsparil
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Hell's Pirates
4
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Posted - 2015.03.22 19:37:50 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. What you see is what you get. They made the same wrong assumptions as you did, but were man enough to admit it after proper research. Wars and Ganking are good for Eve..... Let's buff it and make Eve an even better place. \\ // http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/639617004 - Starts at 3:15
agreed. They new to roll back some of the mechanics in high sec and quit mommy-coddling people. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
553
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:21:37 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. What you see is what you get. They made the same wrong assumptions as you did, but were man enough to admit it after proper research. Wars and Ganking are good for Eve..... Let's buff it and make Eve an even better place. \\ // http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/639617004 - Starts at 3:15
getting smashed up by marmite gatecampers who dock up at the first sign of a fair fight is certainly not good for eve. And it seems that the CSM vote tallies confirmed that. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23295
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:28:42 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. What you see is what you get. They made the same wrong assumptions as you did, but were man enough to admit it after proper research. Wars and Ganking are good for Eve..... Let's buff it and make Eve an even better place. \\ // http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/639617004 - Starts at 3:15 It doesn't match his own personal misconceptions, therefore it doesn't exist. For someone that claims to be intelligent he doesn't show much evidence of it
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
553
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:33:55 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. What you see is what you get. They made the same wrong assumptions as you did, but were man enough to admit it after proper research. Wars and Ganking are good for Eve..... Let's buff it and make Eve an even better place. \\ // http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/639617004 - Starts at 3:15 It doesn't match his own personal misconceptions, therefore it doesn't exist. For someone that claims to be intelligent he doesn't show much evidence of it
Yes Jonah - the fact that some interest pvp combat, with chances for both sides, can be beneficial for new player retention, must imply that marmite curbstomps are good for the game.
Honestly, I preferred you when you engaged in your little profanity laced tirade before going on hiatus....at least that Jonah had comedic value. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2104
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:40:17 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:getting smashed up by marmite gatecampers who dock up at the first sign of a fair fight is certainly not good for eve. And it seems that the CSM vote tallies confirmed that. Your opinion is irrelevant, as its overruled by CCP facts. Deal with it.
TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23298
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:50:07 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Yes Jonah - the fact that some interest pvp combat, with chances for both sides, can be beneficial for new player retention, Where did I say otherwise?
Quote:must imply that marmite curbstomps are good for the game. You're seeing things that aren't there, I suggest that you pull your head out of your backside. I took Tora's suggestion as some tongue in cheek humour, something you appear to be vastly ignorant of.
Quote:Honestly, I preferred you when you engaged in your little profanity laced tirade before going on hiatus....at least that Jonah had comedic value. I'm not here to entertain you. Everything I said about you before my hiatus remains true, you're an arrogant know-it-all with an overly inflated opinion of yourself, one who is incredibly disconnected from the reality of Eve being a purely PvP orientated environment.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
553
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:51:58 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:getting smashed up by marmite gatecampers who dock up at the first sign of a fair fight is certainly not good for eve. And it seems that the CSM vote tallies confirmed that. Your opinion is irrelevant, as its overruled by CCP facts. Deal with it.
Nowhere did CCP convey that one sided Marmite curbstompings are in any way good for the game. All they do is encourage corp dropping and social isolation, and make highsec less fun for everyone. Bravo. |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2223
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:52:32 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. What you see is what you get. They made the same wrong assumptions as you did, but were man enough to admit it after proper research. Wars and Ganking are good for Eve..... Let's buff it and make Eve an even better place. \\ // http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/639617004 - Starts at 3:15 It doesn't match his own personal misconceptions, therefore it doesn't exist. For someone that claims to be intelligent he doesn't show much evidence of it Yes Jonah - the fact that some interest pvp combat, with chances for both sides, can be beneficial for new player retention, must imply that marmite curbstomps are good for the game. Honestly, I preferred you when you engaged in your little profanity laced tirade before going on hiatus....at least that Jonah had comedic value.
You are joking right? Johnas' posts are some of the most well written on these forums.
And yes, marmite gatrcampers are good for eve.
Allow me to explain before you dismiss this....
For me, there is no fun in the game unless there is risk. Undocking, shooting red crosses, and docking back up really isn't fun. Now, if I need to worry about being squashed by an oppressive, strong, well funded machine... Well it gives me the danger... It gives me the "oh ****" feeling that we all hate to love. It also teaches those that get caught and destroyed his to avoid it in the future... Some even end up joining the ranks....
Just my thoughts. I'm sure you won't agree.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23298
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Posted - 2015.03.22 20:58:22 -
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Leto Thule wrote:You are joking right? Johnas' posts are some of the most well written on these forums. Your praise for my forum habits needs to be more effusive if you want paying...
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1157
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Posted - 2015.03.22 21:02:08 -
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I try to avoid feeding the trolls, yet I'd like to state, for the record et all that;
- Marmites don't strive to interact negatively with new players. (You'll have to take my word for it, go figure ) - Marmites in general help and support new players on a regular basis.
- In some threads, Veers says Marmites are ineffective. - In this thread, Veers says Marmites go around and 'curbstomp' people (so ARE in fact effective).
- In this thread, Veers says Facts, numbers and statistics are not relevant. - in this thread, Veers says his truths are the only ones that matter.
To all who can read, my above claims are easily verifiable. Now go and conclude what's obvious.
Thanks.
D.
Creating content since 1976
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2225
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Posted - 2015.03.22 21:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Leto Thule wrote:You are joking right? Johnas' posts are some of the most well written on these forums. Your praise for my forum habits needs to be more effusive if you want paying...
Hah, I am not for sale, good sir. I just call it like I see it. You have a habit of using proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Merely one of those traits is troublesome enough for most to achieve.
Obsequiously,
Leto
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
553
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Posted - 2015.03.22 21:45:30 -
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Danalee wrote:I try to avoid feeding the trolls, yet I'd like to state, for the record et all that; - Marmites don't strive to interact negatively with new players. (You'll have to take my word for it, go figure ) - Marmites in general help and support new players on a regular basis. - In some threads, Veers says Marmites are ineffective. - In this thread, Veers says Marmites go around and 'curbstomp' people (so ARE in fact effective). - In this thread, Veers says Facts, numbers and statistics are not relevant. - in this thread, Veers says his truths are the only ones that matter. To all who can read, my above claims are easily verifiable. Now go and conclude what's obvious. Thanks. D. Creating content since 1976
Much like the rest of the griefers, Marmite are effective against new players and pathetic vets. They have no impact on good players like me who just roll corp.
The rest of your post is, well, nonsense. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1158
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Posted - 2015.03.22 21:52:05 -
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Only one griefer derailing this thread buddy.
Tora Bushido wrote:Fanfest 2015 was awesome and I'll be going to Fanfest 2016 to join the fun. Looking at all the twitch streams I noticed one nice presentation by CCP Rise. Have a look at these 4 slides from this presentation : One, two, three and four. CCP Rise says : People who die play longer (Talking about new players in Eve) Since Marmites is one of the alliances who probably kills most of the players in high-sec (like RvB, Eve Uni, Forsaken Asylum, etc), should CCP be hiring us ? it will keep more newbro's in the game. Tora The Marmite Collective aka CCP's Isk Sink aka CCP Keep Newbro's in Game.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
553
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Posted - 2015.03.22 21:56:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Only one griefer derailing this thread buddy. Tora Bushido wrote:Fanfest 2015 was awesome and I'll be going to Fanfest 2016 to join the fun. Looking at all the twitch streams I noticed one nice presentation by CCP Rise. Have a look at these 4 slides from this presentation : One, two, three and four. CCP Rise says : People who die play longer (Talking about new players in Eve) Since Marmites is one of the alliances who probably kills most of the players in high-sec (like RvB, Eve Uni, Forsaken Asylum, etc), should CCP be hiring us ? it will keep more newbro's in the game. Tora The Marmite Collective aka CCP's Isk Sink aka CCP Keep Newbro's in Game.
Ya, asking for evidence that dying to a mamite gatecamp where you are hopelessly outnumbered, outgunned, and outskilled, and have no hope of hurting the other side, actually improves player retention (a direct response to OP), is a derail. Nice catch. |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2226
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:00:11 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Ya, asking for evidence that dying to a mamite gatecamp where you are hopelessly outnumbered, outgunned, and outskilled, and have no hope of hurting the other side, actually improves player retention (a direct response to OP), is a derail. Nice catch.
Um, I answered.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1160
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:04:44 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, asking for evidence that dying to a mamite gatecamp where you are hopelessly outnumbered, outgunned, and outskilled, and have no hope of hurting the other side, actually improves player retention (a direct response to OP), is a derail. Nice catch.
Progress! At least you are admitting you are a griefer (on the forums only... In game you lack the... err... skills for that)
Why would anyone die to anyone in hisec, on a gate? Only when you are playing solo this stuff happens. You know why? EVE >< solo game.
And yes, as confirmed by CCP, players who are engaged in PVP just stay longer than those weird PVE exclusive hermits. If you think being 'outgunned' or 'outskilled' is a barrier (instead of an opportunity) the problem lies solely with you. How grey your world must be.
D.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
255
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:12:33 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers.
this, in my experience, I travel eve not staying in 1 place for very long. I see week old players ganking (usually someones alt, but all it states is 15 days old, does that include alts or actual NEW players) and I see brand new guys trying to mine in ventures that get ganked or made fun of because they mined in empire.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1160
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:15:16 -
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Agondray wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. this, in my experience, I travel eve not staying in 1 place for very long. I see week old players ganking (usually someones alt, but all it states is 15 days old, does that include alts or actual NEW players) and I see brand new guys trying to mine in ventures that get ganked or made fun of because they mined in empire.
And yet, messing with (real) new players in the 1.sec systems is (yet another) bannable offense. Your anecdotes are either not true or... anecdotes.
D.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
554
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:40:14 -
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Danalee wrote:Agondray wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. this, in my experience, I travel eve not staying in 1 place for very long. I see week old players ganking (usually someones alt, but all it states is 15 days old, does that include alts or actual NEW players) and I see brand new guys trying to mine in ventures that get ganked or made fun of because they mined in empire. And yet, messing with (real) new players in the 1.sec systems is (yet another) bannable offense. Your anecdotes are either not true or... anecdotes. Edit: tell you what, prove me with 3 Zkillboard links of what you see so frequently it's scaring you. D.
How about marmite deccing my 1 man corp? Result: drop corp, rinse and repeat. Outcome: Not worth it to be in multiplayer corps and alliances, because you will get wardecced and either disband or get slaughtered. Result: Play solo. Good for the game? Nope. |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2228
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:51:27 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Danalee wrote:Agondray wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Presumably CCP means that players who experience PvP combat where they have a chance of winning and inflicting real losses on other other side. Not getting curbstompped by hopelessly better funded, equipped, skilled, and numbed marmite campers. this, in my experience, I travel eve not staying in 1 place for very long. I see week old players ganking (usually someones alt, but all it states is 15 days old, does that include alts or actual NEW players) and I see brand new guys trying to mine in ventures that get ganked or made fun of because they mined in empire. And yet, messing with (real) new players in the 1.sec systems is (yet another) bannable offense. Your anecdotes are either not true or... anecdotes. Edit: tell you what, prove me with 3 Zkillboard links of what you see so frequently it's scaring you. D. How about marmite deccing my 1 man corp? Result: drop corp, rinse and repeat. Outcome: Not worth it to be in multiplayer corps and alliances, because you will get wardecced and either disband or get slaughtered. Result: Play solo. Good for the game? Nope.
Mouthy and belligerent clowns usually DO receive extra attention from wardec corps. No surprise to anyone who reads your innane ravings.
Anyhow, you never answered MY post as to how marmites camping gates is good for EVE... I'd like to see the response.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
554
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:59:56 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
And yes, marmite gatrcampers are good for eve.
Allow me to explain before you dismiss this....
For me, there is no fun in the game unless there is risk. Undocking, shooting red crosses, and docking back up really isn't fun. Now, if I need to worry about being squashed by an oppressive, strong, well funded machine... Well it gives me the danger... It gives me the "oh ****" feeling that we all hate to love. It also teaches those that get caught and destroyed how to avoid it in the future... Some even end up joining the ranks....
Just my thoughts. I'm sure you won't agree.
Edit: stupid phone autocorrect
That you don't find PvE fun is certainly your prerogative. And certainly you can get your thrill about being prey to a predator by going to low/null. There are many, like me, who don't play Eve to be prey. I'm not interested in facing danger from repeat criminals. That's why we stick to highsec, for low risk wealth accumulation. There should certainly be areas for both playstyles, low/null/wh for those who want to face the danger of constant death, and high for those who want a much more orderly, laid back, lawful, and safe experience. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2106
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Posted - 2015.03.22 23:03:24 -
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And yet another derailed post by Veers. Damn griever !
Like I said before, his thoughts on the matter are irrelevant. He has been outclassed by higher CCP forces, who do research and present us facts. Or is he saying he knows more about Eve then CCP ?
CCP's facts during Fanfest 2015 are better kungfu then Veers boohoo !
TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
554
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Posted - 2015.03.22 23:29:10 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:And yet another derailed post by Veers. Damn griever ! Like I said before, his thoughts on the matter are irrelevant. He has been outclassed by higher CCP forces, who do research and present us facts. Or is he saying he knows more about Eve then CCP ? CCP's facts during Fanfest 2015 are better kungfu then Veers boohoo ! Veers Belvar wrote:That's why we stick to highsec, for low risk wealth accumulation. There should certainly be areas for both playstyles, low/null/wh for those who want to face the danger of constant death, and high for those who want a much more orderly, laid back, lawful, and safe experience. You're in the wrong game. Games don't change because you cant handle it. Even when you started this game you knew what you were getting yourself into. You accepted it., so no crying afterwards.
Demonstrating the falsehood of your original post is not derailing the thread. And it's "griefer" not "griever." CCP nowhere demonstrating the Marmite curbstomps of new/pathetic players are somehow good for the game. Good for your bank account and entertainment, certainly, but only at the expense of others.
I came into the game to be a voice for a change, and a voice for a safer and more law abiding highsec. We seem to be winning. |
Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
126
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Posted - 2015.03.22 23:30:13 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Nowhere did CCP convey that one sided Marmite curbstompings are in any way good for the game.
I got curbstomped by a Marmite fleet once, and I liked it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23301
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Posted - 2015.03.23 00:05:02 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I came into the game to be a voice for a change, and a voice for a safer and more law abiding highsec. We seem to be winning. terrible troll
FTFY
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