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2Sonas1Cup
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:09:53 -
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Oh man if we could get stuff like video cards etc for PLEXs, the PLEXs would sky rocket in price, literally
Wish they would though :) |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:45:04 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Oh man if we could get stuff like video cards etc for PLEXs, the PLEXs would sky rocket in price, literally
Wish they would though :) At this point there is a grate danger to eve. "Ok guys need to play a bit , as my wife wants new TV. "
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:41:49 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 13:05:09 -
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Why does there need to be another PLEX sink?
The price of PLEX is has been very stable for the past several months, especially since the input broadcasting ban was announced. If CCP were to announce such a program that price would go through the roof
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.03.26 15:04:57 -
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Probably should have pointed that out to CCP Unifex before he moved on from CCP.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:13:08 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Why does there need to be another PLEX sink?
The price of PLEX is has been very stable for the past several months, especially since the input broadcasting ban was announced. If CCP were to announce such a program that price would go through the roof
What the OP is talking about is a promotion.
There would be a blip in prices temporarily like happened in the video card promotion. Find something legit to get worked up over.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:08:34 -
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No. It's basically channeling subscription money that could otherwise go to CCP, to Nvidia, while decreasing the number of characters in game. Both harms Eve. The player base has only so much appetite in buying plex, it's not an unlimited resource.
We don't need to send money to Nvidia and give graphics cards to rl poor eve rich no lifers, to the detriment of CCP, Eve, and everyone else. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.03.26 23:18:18 -
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sabre906 wrote:No. It's basically channeling subscription money that could otherwise go to CCP, to Nvidia, while decreasing the number of characters in game. Both harms Eve. The player base has only so much appetite in buying plex, it's not an unlimited resource.
We don't need to send money to Nvidia and give graphics cards to rl poor eve rich no lifers, to the detriment of CCP, Eve, and everyone else.
This is nonsense. "PLEX for VR" Do you see that? The name says it all. You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money?
Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP.
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.03.27 07:42:35 -
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raven666wings wrote:sabre906 wrote:No. It's basically channeling subscription money that could otherwise go to CCP, to Nvidia, while decreasing the number of characters in game. Both harms Eve. The player base has only so much appetite in buying plex, it's not an unlimited resource.
We don't need to send money to Nvidia and give graphics cards to rl poor eve rich no lifers, to the detriment of CCP, Eve, and everyone else. This is nonsense. "PLEX for VR" Do you see that? You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money? The partnership with the headset manufacturer makes them dirtcheap to CCP and the ammount spent will be a pittance compared to the revenue gained with the event. Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP. Sorry but what kind of promotion is Plex for VR.
No one from outside of the game will have no use in it. - Because he will not have plexes to do it. - Creating account in eve , just to buy plexes ( from CCP ) ... just to buy VR will not happen. It will be cheaper just to buy VR itself. - The only people that actually will buy those VR sets will be players that accumulated plexes via some kind of ISK grind.
So we are going to talk about exchanging ISK for RL item. Also like someone pointed out - cash that was made by CCP will go elsewhere.
Remember that NO ONE will buy plexes from CCP just to buy VR ( it will be cheaper to buy one from the market). All plexes used for this operation will be bought from market using isk.
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Steijn
Quay Industries
662
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Posted - 2015.03.27 08:42:43 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. The Rules:22. Posting regarding RMT (Real Money Trading) is prohibited.
Posts discussing, linking to, or advertising RMT, including but not limited to the sale of in game items, assets, currency, characters or game accounts for real life money are strictly prohibited.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:05:38 -
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Steijn wrote: if you were actually going by rule 22, you should have removed the whole thread not just individual posts.
Actually this thread is good. Look at this this way.
Plex for VR is bad. ISK for RL item that in most cases will be sold then on Ebay. Plex prises rise without while any thing important is gained by CCP.
Plex for "Rifter usb Hub" is kind of good idea. This will be still ISK for RL item , but in this case most of the money still stay in CCP. Yes plex prices will raise , but this could lead to more people buying plex - so still more $ generated from this game - so more $ also for development.
People will gain RL item, but item that is heavily connected to EVE world, and simply you cannot sale one on ebay counting on big payout.
We cannot compare 2000 euro worth VR to 20-30 euro priced usb hub , that CCP bought from manufacturer for less than 3 euro ;)
Plex currently is way over speculated. People that bought tons of it agreed to keep its price well above 800mil - as this allows them to not loose isk.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:29:18 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:All plexes used for this operation will be bought from market using isk. And all those PLEXes bought on the market for Isk were originally bought from CCP for real life money by players and then put on the market for Isk.
That said, I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:38:27 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:All plexes used for this operation will be bought from market using isk. And all those PLEXes bought on the market for Isk were originally bought from CCP for real life money by players and then put on the market for Isk. That said, I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it. The Rules:12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
Agree. My point is simple : In order for CCP to be "safe" value of plexes must be higher than item value. Why ? Because plex depending on country cost different amount. Lets just compare price of plex in USA, EU , Russia.
This leads us to simple conclusion it will be cheaper to buy item off the market , rather than buy enough plexes from CCP and then buy item.
Lets also not forget us that CCP do not produce VR. So CCP will need to use RL currency to buy items for this promotion - so all $ that some people invested in game because of this operation will leave CCP wallet.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.03.28 03:17:06 -
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^^ This fellow is either trying to derail the thread or has a really low IQ/high reading comprehension deficit. I'd like to think it's the first one but right now I'm more inclined to the second. In any case I don't wanna get some sort of brain cancer so I'm going to refrain from countering his rants and l'll let ISD's do their job.
To the people interested in the offer, don't stop posting and showing your support! Let's show CCP we want this to happen!
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
999
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Posted - 2015.03.28 04:58:32 -
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when they did the GFX card for plex I don't remember plex spiking too much. then again I think the sale was rather limited and sold out much faster than CCP anticipated.
also I'm not sure that it will cause plex to spike too much, if I remember right there was a rather large premium between plex dollar value and gfx card dollar value. easier for me to make $ irl and buy a headset than trade plex.
meh even if plex does spike
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Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2015.03.28 05:32:54 -
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Yes please. Using Plex to buy a VR headset to zoom around and dogfight with would remove a lot of the salty taste in my mouth from the (super)carrier nerfs. If I can't delegate fighters in Eve i can at least pilot them myself in Valkyrie :) |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.03.28 06:04:52 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:All plexes used for this operation will be bought from market using isk. And all those PLEXes bought on the market for Isk were originally bought from CCP for real life money by players and then put on the market for Isk.
It still ends up with less total money for CCP because they have to pay for those VR set one way or another. I'm pretty sure there is still a better profit margin in allowing an account to log-in tot he game for a month for a PLEX for CCP than trading the income of a few PLEX for something they have to acquire first.
This sounds more like a "I grinded way too much ISK and want to get RL stuff out of it" than anything else. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.28 07:43:05 -
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Meh. Just be one of the first 5 guys who delivers a canister of "Titan Black Prototype" to Godel Ring station in Ededleen and you'll earn a Titan Black in RL. "Titan Black Prototype" are a rare good available in unlimited supply at a undisclosed starport.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.03.29 09:16:24 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:All plexes used for this operation will be bought from market using isk. And all those PLEXes bought on the market for Isk were originally bought from CCP for real life money by players and then put on the market for Isk. It still ends up with less total money for CCP because they have to pay for those VR set one way or another. I'm pretty sure there is still a better profit margin in allowing an account to log-in tot he game for a month for a PLEX for CCP than trading the income of a few PLEX for something they have to acquire first. This is nonsense. "PLEX for VR" Do you see that? You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money? The partnership with the headset manufacturer makes them dirtcheap to CCP and the ammount spent will be a pittance compared to the revenue gained with the event.
Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP.
Frostys Virpio wrote:This sounds more like a "I grinded way too much ISK and want to get RL stuff out of it" than anything else. Really? It's funny you should write that because I'd swear yours and other nay-sayers posts sound like "Please CCP don't inflate the PLEX isk prices because I don't want to pay my sub with real money." Also, next time please make sure to write your full post in English so everyone can understand better what you write.
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.03.30 10:09:13 -
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There is no opportunity for CCP here. Like i stated before.
In order to buy item for plex : 1. you need to have account in eve 2. you need to have enough isk to buy plexes ( it will be cheaper to buy item off the market rather plexes for it) 3. plex bought by other players and put to market will be bought by isk and used to buy VR, this will look like this : $ paid to buy plex ->CCP -> PLEX -> ISK -> PLEX -> CCP -> $ for VR supplier
Just to summarize. There will be NO benefit for CCP, even more , this operation will cause loose of money for CCP. IT will just allow easy and safe payout while escalating plex prices at the same time.
This more expensive plex will be only harmful for eve, as it will be only expensive, as people will stack it up for next big promotion.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
499
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Posted - 2015.03.30 10:28:26 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote: Just to summarize. There will be NO benefit for CCP, even more , this operation will cause loose of money for CCP. IT will just allow easy and safe payout while escalating plex prices at the same time.
This more expensive plex will be only harmful for eve, as it will be only expensive, as people will stack it up for next big promotion.
This is nonsense. "PLEX for VR" Do you see that? You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money? The partnership with the headset manufacturer makes them dirtcheap to CCP and the ammount spent will be a pittance compared to the revenue gained with the event.
Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP.
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.03.30 11:08:43 -
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raven666wings wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote: Just to summarize. There will be NO benefit for CCP, even more , this operation will cause loose of money for CCP. IT will just allow easy and safe payout while escalating plex prices at the same time.
This more expensive plex will be only harmful for eve, as it will be only expensive, as people will stack it up for next big promotion.
This is nonsense. " PLEX for VR" Do you see that? You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money? The partnership with the headset manufacturer makes them dirtcheap to CCP and the ammount spent will be a pittance compared to the revenue gained with the event. Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP.
You still don't get it. Each plex is RL cash paid to CCP. CCP don't make VR head sets, so they need to buy VR using RL cash. Now each plex that lands on the market provide CCP with additional income, now each plex used to buy VR will mean no income for CCP. Plex prices will raise not because we have something new and meaningful in the game , but because some people will decide to speculate/stack out PLEX as it will have new added value : $CASHOUT$
Think about it. Good VR cost around 2000 $ or euro. Now in order to get discount you need waaay more than 100 , even then this will not be 90% discount but rather 10-15%
Now lets assume that CCP makes this promotion, and it bring somehow new players (it can only target current subscribers) - what type of players it will attract : Group 1: I heard about " VR for in game currency". EVE is worth playing because of the game play or Group 2: I heard about "VR for in game currency". I want to play this game to buy myself RL game item that i can use or sell on ebay
You want VR promotion from CCP?
All accounts that will be active for at least 6 months at the end of the 2015 will have possibility to win one of the 5 VR headsets. Each active account increase the chance!
THIS IS PROPER PROMOTION, not something that will allow big cashout.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
501
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Posted - 2015.03.30 11:21:22 -
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^^ This is nonsense. "PLEX for VR" Do you see that? You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money? The partnership with the headset manufacturer makes them dirtcheap to CCP and the ammount spent will be a pittance compared to the revenue gained with the event.
Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP.
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.03.30 12:28:42 -
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raven666wings wrote:^^ This is nonsense. "PLEX for VR" Do you see that? You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money? The partnership with the headset manufacturer makes them dirtcheap to CCP and the ammount spent will be a pittance compared to the revenue gained with the event.
Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP.
To the people interested in the offer, don't stop posting and showing your support! Let's show CCP we want this to happen!
So you almost double posted.
To the people not interested in the RMT offer, don't stop posting and showing your support! Let's show CCP we don't want RMT to happen!
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
502
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Posted - 2015.03.30 12:48:56 -
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You should consider taking a break from filling the thread with so much bs. ISD's got more to do that to come here every once in a while to clean your mess.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:08:34 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
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Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users. This can include the words GÇ£firstGÇ¥, GÇ£go back to (insert other game name)GÇ¥ and other such posts that contribute no value to forum discussion. Spamming also includes the posting of ASCII art within a forum post.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1650
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:30:38 -
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raven666wings wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote: Just to summarize. There will be NO benefit for CCP, even more , this operation will cause loose of money for CCP. IT will just allow easy and safe payout while escalating plex prices at the same time.
This more expensive plex will be only harmful for eve, as it will be only expensive, as people will stack it up for next big promotion.
This is nonsense. " PLEX for VR" Do you see that? You want a better way to promote PLEX, EVE Online and EVE Valkyrie? The media write-ups will be everywhere and tons of people will come play the game to get headsets. PLEX prices will go up yes, and is that a bad thing for CCP's business? Or is it valuing PLEX itself, rewarding with more isk the people who buy them, and making more people pay their subscriptions with real money? The partnership with the headset manufacturer makes them dirtcheap to CCP and the ammount spent will be a pittance compared to the revenue gained with the event. Get real man. This is an excellent opportunity both for the players and CCP.
Why would you come play the game to get a headset if you can get it cheaper by just buying the damn thing? It will OBVIOUSLY cost more in PLEX worth of $$$ than straight up $$$ because if it does not then CCP will be pissing money away.
Just to give you an example.
The past offer was a GTX 560 for 20 (TWENTY) PLEX. At 15$ a PLEX, thats 300$ of PLEX for a card that launched at elast 8 month before this promo was created with a MSRP of 199$.
No one will buy PLEX from CCP to get their VR set because once again, it will be cheaper to buy it off the shelves unless you somehow happen to have the PLEX on hands or the ISK to buy said PLEX. Anybody supposedly starting to play EVE to buy this will need months of grinding to amass the required wealth unless he hits a goldmine with a scam. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
502
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Posted - 2015.03.31 03:33:50 -
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Ok, seems like there are a couple of angry people here who do not want the PLEX for VR HMD offer to happen due to personal reasons. I'm not allowed to spam responses and I don't have the time to elaborate different ones, so If you want to read why this is a good opportunity both for the players and CCP, please refer to my first posts in the thread, as they respond to all the subsequent objections.
Fortunately there are smart people working at CCP who can understand why these promotions are beneficial so I'm confident that another one will happen! We just have keep showing them we want it to! Keep up the support guys GÖÑ
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Meh. Just be one of the first 5 guys who delivers a canister of "Titan Black Prototype" to Godel Ring station in Ededleen and you'll earn a Titan Black in RL. "Titan Black Prototype" are a rare good available in unlimited supply at a undisclosed starport. I didn't get your post at first but have just looked at the Elite Dangerous newsletter #68 and see what you were referring to Might go try and grab one if they're still there.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:35:40 -
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raven666wings wrote:Ok, seems like there are a couple of angry people here who do not want the PLEX for VR HMD offer to happen due to personal reasons. I'm not allowed to spam responses and I don't have the time to elaborate different ones, so If you want to read why this is a good opportunity for both the players and CCP, please refer to my first posts in the thread, as they respond to all the subsequent objections.
Fortunately there are smart people working at CCP who can understand why these promotions are beneficial so I'm confident that another one will happen. We just have to keep showing them we want it to! Keep up the support guys GÖÑ
Translation : I think people who disagree with me are angry and since I cannot just spam my canned response that also happen to have been countered and I can't be bothered to form up anything else to support my point, I will try to handwave what they said. |
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