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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.04.03 00:12:25 -
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Kind of makes you wish there was a customer support section to the forum. Nothing gratifies me more than to explain to people the transactions they might have made, or are considering...and without a fee! How providential!
The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.04 10:09:03 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Translation : I think people who disagree with me are angry and since I cannot just spam my canned response that also happen to have been countered and I can't be bothered to form up anything else to support my point, I will try to handwave what they said. Go make a thread titled "Please don't make PLEX prices go up" and stop shitting this one up.
PLEX for VR HMD Let's make it happen! Show your support by posting and liking the thread! We got this guys GÖÑ
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.04.04 10:47:57 -
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Hm.
20 Million PS4 owners, next to even more PC owners.
Why exactly should they help you sidestep your inability to buy it yourself?
Of course there are people who can't afford it for various reasons, but why in hell should they have one if they can not buy one?
The argument of "promotes PLEX and the game" is crap. Valkyrie does not need this kind of promotion, as don't the VR sets. They are literally self promoting fountains of money.
Besides, it would only attract more cheapskates who do not want to pay money but think they should have everything. No need for these.
If you want something, achieve it. Hording PLEX to get one doesn't count as one, not even if you are a carebear who feeds his ego by shooting easy targets.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.04.04 10:49:43 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Meh. Just be one of the first 5 guys who delivers a canister of "Titan Black Prototype" to Godel Ring station in Ededleen and you'll earn a Titan Black in RL. "Titan Black Prototype" are a rare good available in unlimited supply at a undisclosed starport. ..... what???
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"AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!" - Diana Kim
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
504
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Posted - 2015.04.04 12:22:22 -
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Are you still posting in this thread? What exactly are you trying to achieve with your rants here?
CyberChaosCrewTV
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SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.04.04 12:33:36 -
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Some people here.. really don't understand marketing.
IMO this would be a great thing, and fully support it if it does happen.
I disagree
RAWR IM TOUGH
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:01:19 -
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SKINE DMZ wrote:Some people here.. really don't understand marketing. IMO this would be a great thing, and fully support it if it does happen. All you lot care about is your selfishness, greed and consumerism.
"Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
"AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!" - Diana Kim
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:07:43 -
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raven666wings wrote:I see you're still posting in this thread. What exactly are you trying to achieve with your rants here? It's not ranting when I tell you to not be such a cheapskate and instead EARN the things you want.
Of course you are free to beg like you do, but the bullshit around it is hypocrisy.
Yes, it's begging.
You are a beggar.
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"AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!" - Diana Kim
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:11:24 -
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Please do not vent your anger and frustration in this thread. Personal attacks have also no place here.
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:15:44 -
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raven666wings wrote:Please do not vent your anger and frustration in this thread. Personal attacks have also no place here. It's no attack.
You ARE begging. No amount of your hypocrisy can help you hide that.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
507
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:26:48 -
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Why don't you just tell us the real reason why you don't want this promotion to happen?
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:31:38 -
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raven666wings wrote:Why don't you just tell us the real reason why you don't want this promotion to happen? Not what I am talking about, as you can easily see in my previous posts.
Your hypocrisy does not work.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1251
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:51:42 -
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The only issue I have with this is that is removes all new and longterm players who havent focused on obtaining 20 billion worth of isk from going after this promotion.
Basically evebank, Iwantisk, eveninggamesclub turns into the primary candidates for buying one, if not all of the VR headsets to raffle off as they see fit. There's options for abuse now that these websites take in roughly 200 billion a day.
Not to knock the concept, but it cannot be based solely on who has the most isk wins.
An ingame events where the person who participates has a chance to win would be a better option. You can give away 20 of those headsets, run 20 ingame events, and have a good chunk of the server following the changes and taking a chance at winning. If you want to a plex sale, I would also consider ingame events in order to include the community, and not just a person who manages a website to siphon off isk from gambling, or who obtains tons of isk through renters.
Yaay!!!!
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2015.04.04 14:04:30 -
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I admit I could have written down the reasons why I believe you are begging. This really isn't anything personal, it's based on rationale and I can explain it.
Not sure how to start.
.) Sony will be promoting their headset heavily. They have billions and 20 Million PS4 users.
.) The reach CCP has, compared to Sony's, is rediculously small. Let's take an unreasonably high guess how many would actually pay with PLEX for the headset and say it's 1000 players. Even assuming that the headset *only* costs 300, that would be 300.000 for a mere 1000 players. Now let's imagine a worst case and assume it's 5000 players. That would be 1.500.000 ...
Hundreds of thousands are not a "drop in the bucket" ... ... for a relatively small company like CCP ... ... especially considering the fact how small CCP's audience is.
Even if we assume Sony can give a 50% cut (HA...), that would still be 150.000 for a rediculously low amount of 1000 players.
1000 players compared to the millions who will be reached by Sony, not even talking about all the media out there who are hyping it to no end.
.) Valkyrie will be a launch title and bundled with Sony's headset. This, plus the fact that it's the first AAA title for a headset, plus the fact that it's a headset, makes this thing a self promoter.
Everyone is talking about it. Everyone who has tried it loves it.
.) The only people such a "promotion" would attract, are those who want a headset, but are not willing or capable of affording one. These people will not shelve out even 15 bucks a month to play this game. At best, they would stay and play for free.
The fact that PLEX are being paid by others does not matter here, because they do not add money to the system. They want to play for free. (that's fine, as many pay by PLEX, but it also kills your argument.) (There's no value in people joining with the aim of not paying at all.)
I fully understand why you brought up a promotional value as argument, because it helps you support your point. Facts of the matter, though, do not support it. You should have thought this through first.
TL;DR:
CCP promoting it via giving out free headsets is a waste of money, because Sony can and will do a much better job.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.04 14:26:57 -
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^^ That's a fairly large wall of text, but I think you must have missed the part in the OP where it's written "this would be the perfect time for CCP to partner with a PC compatible VR HMD manufacturer (Oculus/Samsung/HTC) and make us a PLEX for VR HMD offer!" so maybe you should reformulate your objection.
The idea behind the promotion is not only to promote Valkyrie and offer players the opportunity to acquire PC VR headsets, but also to promote EVE Online and PLEX as a virtual currency that may be exchanged for real world goods. This was in CCP's vision in the past when they introduced the PLEX concept and was one of the reasons they made the initial PLEX for Nvidia card offer in 2012. There's even a video interview with CCP's CEO where he explains how he wishes one day EVE players will be able to use isk virtual currency to acquire real world goods and services.
This is excellent marketing material for CCP and has the potential to bring in many subscribers to EVE Online.
CyberChaosCrewTV
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2015.04.04 14:40:49 -
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raven666wings wrote:^^ That's a fairly large wall of text, but I think you must have missed the part in the OP where it's written "this would be the perfect time for CCP to partner with a PC compatible VR HMD manufacturer (Oculus/Samsung/HTC) and make us a PLEX for VR HMD offer!" so maybe you should reformulate your objection. Gee, I did. Doesn't mean anything, though. We're still talking about hundreds of thousands for a relatively small audience, especially compared to Sony's.
Quote:The idea behind the promotion is not only to promote Valkyrie and offer players the opportunity to acquire PC VR headsets, but also to promote EVE Online and PLEX as a virtual currency that may be exchanged for real world goods. This was in CCP's vision in the past when they introduced the PLEX concept and was one of the reasons they made the initial PLEX for Nvidia card offer in 2012. There's even a video interview with CCP's CEO where he explains how he wishes one day EVE players will be able to use isk virtual currency to acquire real world goods and services. Yeah ... so?
How does any of this change anything about what I have written above?
Nothing.
It's a waste of CCP's money and promotes literally nothing Sony couldn't do a million times better.
And they are doing it. Valkyrie will be bundled with the headset, the headset and Valkyrie are getting promoted by Sony, which means that Sony is also promoting EVE ONLINE automagically.
It's a waste of CCP's money to do the same thing someone else can do much better and actually does it *for free*.
You do not even care about the facts. You want CCP to waste their money so you get something for free.
If someone talked CCP into doing such a promotion, I'd have to quesiton their marketing department and collective intelligence. There is *no* need for such a promotion, as those with more money and higher reach can and will promote the headset, Valkyrie and thus also EVE ONLINE much better than CCP ever could.
I really can not make it any easier for you to understand. I can admit that this might be a failure on my part, but I do still wrongly expect people to think while they read.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.04 14:58:27 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:If someone talked CCP into doing such a promotion, I'd have to quesiton their marketingdepartment and collective intelligence. You know why you don't need to do that? Because the former Chief Marketing Officer "left" the company after making an exclusivity deal with Sony and trashing CCP's resources into a massive flop called Dust514 on PS3. We do not want the same thing to happen to Valkyrie.
Eve Solecist wrote:I can admit that this might be a failure on my part, Well that's allright, acceptance is the first step. Like the old saying goes "There is No Blinder Man Than The One Who Refuses to See".
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SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.04.04 15:53:45 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:SKINE DMZ wrote:Some people here.. really don't understand marketing. IMO this would be a great thing, and fully support it if it does happen. All you lot care about is your selfishness, greed and consumerism.
Oh the irony is beautiful. I wouldn't even use it, it's just a great marketing ploy, many articles would be written about it. Something you obviously have no clue about.
GL
I disagree
RAWR IM TOUGH
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.04 16:05:50 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.04 16:06:31 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:The only issue I have with this is that is removes all new and longterm players who havent focused on obtaining 20 billion worth of isk from going after this promotion.
Basically evebank, Iwantisk, eveninggamesclub turns into the primary candidates for buying one, if not all of the VR headsets to raffle off as they see fit. There's options for abuse now that these websites take in tens to hundreds of billions a day.
Not to knock the concept, but it cannot be based solely on who has the most isk wins.
An ingame events where the person who participates has a chance to win would be a better option. You can give away 20 of those headsets, run 20 ingame events, and have a good chunk of the server following the changes and taking a chance at winning. If you want to a plex sale, I would also consider ingame events in order to include the community, and not just a person who manages a website to siphon off isk from gambling, or who obtains tons of isk through renters. I agree with your point of view. CCP should ration the item stock to make sure a single player or group doesn't get all the headsets offered and leave nothing for the others. But I also think both kinds of promotions could happen. The PLEX for VR HMD one would certainly sink some of the isk and PLEXes owned by those weatlhy people, they would need to buy more off the market to sub their accounts and would provide more isk to the people who buy them from CCP, fueling the PLEX sales and subscription count in return.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.04.04 18:03:09 -
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raven666wings wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:The only issue I have with this is that is removes all new and longterm players who havent focused on obtaining 20 billion worth of isk from going after this promotion.
Basically evebank, Iwantisk, eveninggamesclub turns into the primary candidates for buying one, if not all of the VR headsets to raffle off as they see fit. There's options for abuse now that these websites take in tens to hundreds of billions a day.
Not to knock the concept, but it cannot be based solely on who has the most isk wins.
An ingame events where the person who participates has a chance to win would be a better option. You can give away 20 of those headsets, run 20 ingame events, and have a good chunk of the server following the changes and taking a chance at winning. If you want to a plex sale, I would also consider ingame events in order to include the community, and not just a person who manages a website to siphon off isk from gambling, or who obtains tons of isk through renters. I agree with your point of view. CCP should ration the item stock to make sure a single player or group doesn't get all the headsets offered and leave nothing for the others. But I also think both kinds of promotions could happen. The PLEX for VR HMD one would certainly sink some of the isk and PLEXes owned by those weatlhy people, they would need to buy more off the market to sub their accounts and would provide more isk to the people who buy them from CCP, fueling the PLEX sales and subscription count in return.
Not objecting with the concept. It would be a good promotion to do.
Yaay!!!!
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.04 18:15:28 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Not objecting with the concept. It would be a good promotion to do. The one you're proposing is also interesting and like you said gives people that did not dedicate their game time exclusively to amassing isk the opportunity to win a headset too. Elite Dangerous has successfully being doing this type of event (Elite -ú10k race and now the 5 Nvidia GTX Titan Black canisters).
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.04 22:03:00 -
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Imagine that like Solstice suggested CCP would parter with a manufacturer and get 5000 headsets with 50% off wholesale/partnership price (around $150 a unit). This would make a total expense of $750.000 to buy them. Now if they were to be offered at 40 PLEX each, a total of 200.000 PLEXes would need to be handed over, which at $15 a unit make a total of $3.000.000.
"But CCP already has that income! Those PLEXes were already paid for, they don't need to subtract $750.000 off of it! " - you say.
-That's true, but the question here is "Will it be worth doing so?" and the answer is "Yes", because those $750.000 and more will be cashed in when the people who sinked all those PLEXes go get more off the market, the sellers buy more from CCP and when the people that heard about the promotion subscribe their accounts and spend money on the EVE game's stores.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.11 13:19:58 -
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Hope you guys haven't lost the appetite for the PLEX for VR HMD offer! I certainly haven't!
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.04.11 13:56:50 -
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Good morning.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.04.11 15:19:29 -
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Sorry I stopped as soon as I read Fanfest.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2015.04.11 18:22:37 -
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I see some problems with this whole idea.
1) As others already said, this will have serious implications on the PLEX market. The price will skyrocket and people who sub with PLEX for ISK because they can't afford it otherwise will have to quit. Instead of subscriptions, the PLEX money will now leave CCP and go to the manufacturer of the hardware. So they have less subscribers at the cost of less money. Pretty stupid deal if you ask me.
2) If there is a way to actually get stuff out of the system by beeing able to convert $ to PLEX to ISK to PLEX to STUFF to $ and not just one way, you create a system that would probably go as a real currency and is subject to tax law. There was a PLEX for Pizza thread some time ago where this was discussed at length. Not sure if that also applies if its only small amounts like with the graphics cards.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.04.11 19:02:11 -
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Dude 1 : Hey dude 2, I'll give you 100$ if you buy me that headset with your space bux.
Dude 2 : Ok
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:... beeing ... GOON SPY CONFIRMED!!!
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I apologise. I have spent way too much time on reddit, reading up on the BRAVE COUPCOUNTERCOUPWAITOGOBOIS!
I will shame myself and leave now. :)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
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Posted - 2015.04.12 14:09:09 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:1) As others already said, this will have serious implications on the PLEX market. "Serious implications" as in you and your code griefer buddies not being able to have so many alts for free? Well time to loosen up the purses strings honey. Do something useful for CCP and chip in some $ if you wanna keep scaring their new costumers away.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:The price will skyrocket and people who sub with PLEX for ISK because they can't afford it otherwise will have to quit. Nah you won't quit, you'll just have less alts plexed.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Instead of subscriptions, the PLEX money will now leave CCP and go to the manufacturer of the hardware. As I expalined before, this is a good investment that will have its return and profit.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:So they have less subscribers at the cost of less money. Pretty stupid deal if you ask me. No, they will have more subscribers and less alt accounts plexed, which I believe is a good thing for the sandbox and the community in general.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:2) If there is a way to actually get stuff out of the system by beeing able to convert $ to PLEX to ISK to PLEX to STUFF to $ and not just one way, you create a system that would probably go as a real currency and is subject to tax law. There was a PLEX for Pizza thread some time ago where this was discussed at length. Not sure if that also applies if its only small amounts like with the graphics cards. This is a one time promotion offers players the opportunity to acquire real world items with virtual currency, and not the other way around. For legal effects some jurisdictions may treat this as a taxable prize or award and the purchaser is solely responsible for determining the tax consequences, if any, associated with this offer.
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