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Artax Deschaine
Full Spectrum Inc Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:33:17 -
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Another observation i've made since starting EVE back in august of 2014 is this game is extremely grindy, requiring extensive training and requiring alot of play time to succeed in anything. MMO's have shifted towards a more casual play. The thing i have hated about the old style MMO's of the late 1990's and earlier millenial years, and a big factor on how long i played any game at a given time is how much of a grind it became and the lack of end game content.
I've played MMO's since the 1990's and i can tell you gaming has evolved and come a long way, but i have begun to find that this game is too much of a grind for me too play much at any given time, especially since i'm the dad of a 2 year old boy now. It's just hard for me to get involved in and really enjoy, being a lover of many things sci-fi. It has been a pleasure to switch over from swords and sorcery however.
I know this is an old game, but i would love to see this game shift over to more casual play style. I know the hearts, and bodies of gamers all over the world would be greatful to not have to sit here and get blood clots in their legs, and get closer to heart disease trying to make it in the EVE world! |
Paranoid Loyd
4343
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:34:59 -
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It's only grindy if you make it grindy.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:36:17 -
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Heh, renter complains about grind. Get back down the mine, I need my SRP. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:36:31 -
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If you've done a lot of grinding, perhaps you have some stuff you could give me before you move on to a better game.
Mr Epeen
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:38:30 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Heh, renter complains about grind. Get back down the mine, I need my SRP.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:38:59 -
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1-2 hours of incursion PER WEEK pays for most my disposable T1 pvp hulls and fittings. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:42:11 -
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From a casual player ... you definitely need to invest some time during the first months of playing to learn the ropes, but then it's perfectly compatible with low commitment, play for fun only gaming. Being effective about your ISK spending is an important key factor to reduce the not-so-much-fun aspects of the game, aka PvE for ISK. Mostly flying cheap ships (T1/T2 frigs, T1 Cruisers) let your wallet last long. You can also skip PvE completely by injecting ISK from PLEX.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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roberts dragon
Starship Crusaders.
9
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:44:31 -
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yup know where you coming from but if you grinding then need to go do other things , so sit on me couch and tell me the problems who knows list the probs and maybe the pros can help solve the probs . cant move the mountain need the info what bits you like and dislike the agony aunts here and gosh they can be a real agony but most will help
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
329
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:44:35 -
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Artax Deschaine wrote:... and the lack of end game content.
You will love EvE because there is no end game content.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10381
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:45:44 -
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Artax Deschaine wrote:Another observation i've made since starting EVE back in august of 2014 is this game is extremely grindy, requiring extensive training and requiring alot of play time to succeed in anything. MMO's have shifted towards a more casual play. The thing i have hated about the old style MMO's of the late 1990's and earlier millenial years, and a big factor on how long i played any game at a given time is how much of a grind it became and the lack of end game content.
I've played MMO's since the 1990's and i can tell you gaming has evolved and come a long way, but i have begun to find that this game is too much of a grind for me too play much at any given time, especially since i'm the dad of a 2 year old boy now. It's just hard for me to get involved in and really enjoy, being a lover of many things sci-fi. It has been a pleasure to switch over from swords and sorcery however.
I know this is an old game, but i would love to see this game shift over to more casual play style. I know the hearts, and bodies of gamers all over the world would be greatful to not have to sit here and get blood clots in their legs, and get closer to heart disease trying to make it in the EVE world!
And people complain that EVE runs off too many people. This post and these forums are proof that EVE doesn't run off enough people.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:46:45 -
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i play eve because it sets the men from the boys, spend some money on plexes and go get shot in lowsec or null, beats grinding
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Syrilian
Ascending Angels
49
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:47:59 -
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If you are grinding, you're doing it wrong. |
Wolf Kruol
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:50:49 -
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Yup I've played since 90's too and mmos or multiplayer games are too grindy these days. Eve started this about 2.5 years ago. I find ccp has found ways to tighten causual fun for players. I get it they need $$$ but unless you make eve a 9 to 5 job you out of luck. Buy a plex an sell it to make isk seem to be the easy casual way to make alot of isk.
But Eve isn't as bad as lets say Star trek online they give a new meaning to grinding... I call it almost slave labour.. Well then you have destiny too hehe I hear that one is a Gem for grinding too.
In the end its up to you what you want todo with your time. If a game is to grindy move on. Play something else. I've found a few ways to make isk in eve well nothing fancy.. but good enough for me for a few hours work. :)
It sucks Artax Deschaine but thats modern online games.
Good huntings
Wolf
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Ryder 'ook
agony unleashed Agony Empire
137
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:53:14 -
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If EvE is too grindy for you, then you have never played a real grinder before.
Training happens in real time, regardless of your log in stats. No grind here.
The ships you can fly are dependent on your character skills (no grind) and your wallet.
The wallet part of the equation can be grindy, depending on what you want to fly. But it doesn't have to. Want to PvE? Any T1 destroyer (L1), cruiser (L2), battlecruiser (L3), or battleship (L4) will get you through. Want to explore? Start off with a 10 mil ISK scanning frig and use a 30-100 mil ISK covert ops later as SP and wallet allow. Want to PvP, be a respected and critically important member of nearly any gang? - Grab a 3 mil T1 EWAR frig and get on every single killmail of the roam.
Of course, if you desperately need to fly pirate faction ships, T3s, or capitals you need a deep pocket. But even then you can bypass the grind by investing in a PLEX or three.
So please stop spreading false rumors. I am one of those players who can barely manage to come online 2, max 3 evenings per week for maybe 3 hours each. And there is no single persistent MMO out there that would give me as many opportunities for such little time.
Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10383
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:12:09 -
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The real problem with this though is that it's exactly backwards.
EVE is less grindy now that at any point in it's past.
-Learning skills (the skills we used to have to learn...to learn skills) are long gone.
-Boosters that boost new player learing speed exist
-Losing SP from podding ( a cause of much time lost to re-training) is gone.
-Very many barriers (like the old "+5 standings to enroll in faction warfare) are gone, standings aren't even tied to where you can put a POS anymore,
-and OMG it's possible to make outrageous wealth with nothing more than FRIGATES and other cheap ships (exhibit A, exhibit B, exhibit C
If you wanted too see "grindy", go back to when i started in 2007 when 40 mil per hour from null sec belt ratting was "omg that's a lot of isk", where I spent my 1st motnhs training learning skills and where it took me MONTHS to earn enough for my 1st Navy Raven when a new player today can make enough for one in faction warfare in one night after spending a couple weeks training for a Caracal, Drake or Stealth bomber.
People who complain EVE is grindy are the unimaginative and uninformed sorts that, well, end up renting null sec space to make isk when there are much much better and faster ways that don't involve paying a single cent in rent. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20760
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:24:23 -
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Renter thread.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Samwise Everquest
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:24:53 -
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Setting my skill queue before I go to bed. Dat grind.
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2240
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:26:02 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Heh, renter complains about grind. Get back down the mine, I need my SRP.
Haha.
Yes, if the game is too grindy, just stop making it grindy. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
221
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:27:38 -
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I lefft the other MMOs because I was tired of doing quests over and over again to level up. Since I started playing Eve I may have done a few missions, but that's it. Never felt like grinding to me.
I have found abandonned POS for loot, wrecks to ninja-salavage, wormholes to tap for their relic sites, the occasional null sec miner that does not pay enough attention to local, lost some ships to gate camps and learned to avoid the busy systems using Dotlan and scanning WH routes. From time to time I do kill rats in asteroids, or engage in fights I think I can win.
I roam free amongst the stars of New Eden, with three accounts, and set my own goals without paying taxes to anybody.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Legion Masser
Rage-Machine
9
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:28:11 -
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The problem is your "Casual MMO's" that have been released lately have the lifespan of a tired, winded goldfish in a piranha tank. If ya blink even for a millisecond, everything is gone, including the people there to spectate.
No disrespect OP but as a very new player to Eve myself, I hope to god they don't listen to a word you said and hope they never simplify the game for casuals and I would most certainly be considered by all to be a casual player. I'm a foreman for a large construction company , work about 70hrs a week on avrg , have a very time demanding GF and I can still find time to do everything I want in Eve.
I find EVE the exact opposite to grinding, I'm enjoying. While i'm at work making dem dollar bills, or at the movies watching some illogical chick flick, my character is still being trained and improving.
For those that are really busy IRL I think Eve's time based skill advancement is a refreshing change from the , play all day and spend ridiculous amounts of time punching the same dragon in the face just to lvl up the skills needed to be able to do any PVP.
I came to Eve because of its merciless complexity , savage filled community and no hand holding game style and my only regret is that i wish i found it many years earlier.
Frankly, I would rather have the most insanely complex, apparently grind filled, long real time skill training MMO game that survives indefinitely then a simplistic casual MMO game that goes free to play within its first year and is one cough away from its death.
But those games are good for something , they are what made me disregard any new future MMO and come here to the Savage filled EVE online. and I LOVE IT! So thanks SWOTOR, ESO , WILDSTAR and ARCHEAGE
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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:29:07 -
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issue is not how easy or hard things are.
It's just that the most obvious things to do, moment to moment, are to run missions, to obtain better ships, to then go and fight against larger numbers. For a game that is so "abstract", where you can do "anything" you want, the game tries very hard to pigeonhole you into missions.
When all you do is missions, what other opinion but "grindy" would you get? That this is a good, fun way to pass time? |
Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
124
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:31:21 -
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Lol, renters... Eve is actually the least grindy MMO I've ever played. Of course, if all you do is grind anoms in your little renter system so that you can pay the rent so that you can continue grinding, then yes - it's grindy. Solution: get your arse out of that stupid renter corp and go do something fun. There is a lot more to Eve than grinding anoms. |
Samwise Everquest
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps Forsaken Asylum
111
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:31:41 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:issue is not how easy or hard things are. It's just that the most obvious things to do, moment to moment, are to run missions, to obtain better ships, to then go and fight against larger numbers. For a game that is so "abstract", where you can do "anything" you want, the game tries very hard to pigeonhole you into missions. When all you do is missions, what other opinion but "grindy" would you get? That this is a good, fun way to pass time?
One of my alts hasn't done a single mission outside the tutorials and is sitting at 800k sp and 500 mil isk. CCP failing hard at pigeonholing me. Feels good.
Blog Currently Under Construction
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Samwise Everquest
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps Forsaken Asylum
111
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:33:16 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Lol, renters... Eve is actually the least grindy MMO I've ever played. Of course, if all you do is grind anoms in your little renter system so that you can pay the rent so that you can continue grinding, then yes - it's grindy. Solution: get your arse out of that stupid renter corp and go do something fun. There is a lot more to Eve than grinding anoms.
I agree. This MMO requires the LEAST amount of grinding I've ever played. If you think this is grindy, I can't imagine you playing EQ at its prime or any other MMO for that matter.
Blog Currently Under Construction
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2678
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:33:26 -
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*makes a low mournful honking sound*
I am an upset goose. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
916
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:36:12 -
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I agree it's too grindy but I just spent 30+ bil on a supercarrier (and implants) and I'm saving up for a titan.
I highly doubt you are in the same boat as me.
Not today spaghetti.
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Legion Masser
Rage-Machine
9
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:41:30 -
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The problem is OP your "Casual MMO's" that have been released lately have the lifespan of a tired, winded goldfish in a piranha tank. If ya blink even for a millisecond, everything is gone, including the people there to spectate.
For those that are really busy IRL I think Eve's time based skill advancement is a refreshing compared to the play all day and spend ridiculous amounts of time punching the same dragon in the face just to lvl up the skills needed to be able to do any PVP.
NEVER MAKE EVE CASUAL
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Aphsala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:42:02 -
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haha "in the same boat" hahaha
uhum yeah i'll move along |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1568
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:43:48 -
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Samwise Everquest wrote:Arla Sarain wrote:issue is not how easy or hard things are. It's just that the most obvious things to do, moment to moment, are to run missions, to obtain better ships, to then go and fight against larger numbers. For a game that is so "abstract", where you can do "anything" you want, the game tries very hard to pigeonhole you into missions. When all you do is missions, what other opinion but "grindy" would you get? That this is a good, fun way to pass time? One of my alts hasn't done a single mission outside the tutorials and is sitting at 800k sp and 500 mil isk. CCP failing hard at pigeonholing me. Feels good. of all my alts (12 i think?) only one ever completed any mission. 2 of them ever been in fight. 1 alt only does hauling and trading some others only seen PI in their life some were doing cyno for me
But all of these 11 alts who never seen any mission agent are supported by 1 alt who actually makes money for all this company
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Blusterby Diggenploof FOODIE
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:51:05 -
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I rather grind isk than xp. Eve is different for a reason yes the grind can get blinding,but it gives everyone a fair chance at risk reward levels don't matter here. On this field we all equal. |
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