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Cajun Waffles
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 07:51:24 -
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So I've heard that players can now own customs offices in high sec from a previous update. I'd love to know if these changes have had a positive impact with conflicts over resources (if any) or was the main purpose just another passive income for player's/corp tax?
Are there any stats out to show how many Custom Offices have changed hands since the update? |
Scira Crimson
Scira Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2015.03.25 08:11:00 -
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As a new player the high sec custom offices annoy me: They are a PERMANENT asset which gives veteran players and corps an advantage which can not be competed. The high sec custom offices are the definition of carebear and anti new gamer experience. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2015.03.25 08:52:52 -
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I may be mistaken, but as far as I was aware they could also be destroyed. Pretty sure of it, actually.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Scira Crimson
Scira Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:12:37 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I may be mistaken, but as far as I was aware they could also be destroyed. Pretty sure of it, actually.
I tried with an ibis: concord will intervene.
So, how many thousands of frigates you will have to suicide for one downed CO? ;) |
Ito Eto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:17:19 -
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Wardec the CO corp? Just throwing some stuff out there. |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:21:15 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I may be mistaken, but as far as I was aware they could also be destroyed. Pretty sure of it, actually. I tried with an ibis: concord will intervene. So, how many thousands of frigates you will have to suicide for one downed CO? ;)
POCOs have too many HP to be taken down with a few Ibisses. You will need about 600 DPS to accomplish that. And even than it will take hours.
To prevent CONCORD INtervention you will have to declare war on the owners of the POCO. CONCORD does not intervene in wars. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:34:04 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I may be mistaken, but as far as I was aware they could also be destroyed. Pretty sure of it, actually. I tried with an ibis: concord will intervene. So, how many thousands of frigates you will have to suicide for one downed CO? ;)
Veri gud.
( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1435
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:34:34 -
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And there we have it. You have to mean it to make em go away. Really really mean it. They were made to generate points of conflict as much as anything else. Valuable assets in space give a tangible meaning to war in high sec. If you really really do mean it then drop the ISK to pay off CONCORD and then fire up your redneck battletrucks and have a lil party.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Scira Crimson
Scira Crimson Corporation
11
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:42:09 -
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Ok, wardeccing is an argument. Then the high sec COs are fine. However, wardecs can be bypassed, right? |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1435
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:45:21 -
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Not very easily with assets anchored in space. I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure the 'roll corp and remake' schtick doesn't work so well when you've got spendy floaters out there.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
112
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:50:52 -
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All Customs Offices kills : https://zkillboard.com/group/1025/
Quite a few of them in highsec, so yes they drive quite a bit of conflict.
Scira Crimson wrote:Ok, wardeccing is an argument. Then the high sec COs are fine. However, wardecs can be bypassed, right?
POCOs can't be transfered while wardecced, so you really have to defend them if attacked. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
262
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:13:55 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I may be mistaken, but as far as I was aware they could also be destroyed. Pretty sure of it, actually. I tried with an ibis: concord will intervene. So, how many thousands of frigates you will have to suicide for one downed CO? ;)
This many is how many.
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Hoody Allen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:33:40 -
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After a quick perusal of the killboard I do believe I see a preponderance of entries for a well known high sec war deccing corp. Not so much grass roots violence as the acts of well organised highly skilled bands.
It is probably a nice little earner for groups like POH but and a chance for some of the the more aggressive corps that POH has wardecced to annoy the station gamers without playing station games. I will have to go and check if they have transferred these assets to a holding corp. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
117
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:15:00 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:As a new player the high sec custom offices annoy me: They are a PERMANENT asset which gives veteran players and corps an advantage which can not be competed.
No they're not... they're actually not that hard to destroy. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
117
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:15:46 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I may be mistaken, but as far as I was aware they could also be destroyed. Pretty sure of it, actually. I tried with an ibis: concord will intervene. So, how many thousands of frigates you will have to suicide for one downed CO? ;)
It's called War Decs ;) |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
345
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:21:03 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:Ok, wardeccing is an argument. Then the high sec COs are fine. However, wardecs can be bypassed, right? How about you learn how the game mechnaics work first before ranting about something you obviously have no clue about? |
Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:36:24 -
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Good luck. Most of them are controlled by major alliances.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
113
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:44:47 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Good luck. Most of them are controlled by major alliances.
As soon as you are 3 jumps out of a hub, plenty of POCO still owned by corps with little if any pvp chops. |
Serene Repose
2489
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Posted - 2015.03.25 13:24:04 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:Ok, wardeccing is an argument. Then the high sec COs are fine. However, wardecs can be bypassed, right? Is it okay if I log my game and play now? I'd hate to do something without your permission!
TYVM Have a .... day!
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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IcyMind Arierep
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
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Posted - 2015.03.25 13:37:35 -
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correct me if am wrong, but i think if you wardec them , then is fair game. I think that the concept of war. Of course you have to pay for it , but thats the risk/reward. |
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Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
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Posted - 2015.03.25 15:09:18 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:As a new player the high sec custom offices annoy me: They are a PERMANENT asset which gives veteran players and corps an advantage which can not be competed. The high sec custom offices are the definition of carebear and anti new gamer experience.
HS POCOs aren't that great. The planets are pretty terrible and any serious PI peeps will move to more lucrative pastures in wormholes or null sec alliance pocos w/e. The isk trickles in but it will take 20 years to pay off the costs of putting them up. Sure some planets are more valuable than others but my wallet did not get "fat". I am still in the red. Even after all this time since the change. |
Cajun Waffles
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 15:20:17 -
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Thanks for some feedback.
I'm not sure how it's as easy as to 'war dec' the corp. Declaring war can range from 50million isk up to 500 million for the player/corp from what I've read. That's a huge amount of iks for new'er' players to the game.
To me it goes back to the old adage that we like to hear or read about in eve: risk versus reward. To me there were little to no risks involved for the players placing their new poco's in high sec exchanging hands from NPC's. On the flip side for new players to the game they would take huge risks in order to change ownership of that structure (that is if they want a customs office and to no longer be subjected to 20 percent or more in tax). I'd venture to say that these players with high sec customs offices are well established EvE players. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1189
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Posted - 2015.03.25 15:57:57 -
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I think we should give every new player some hisec POCO's just so they can solo EVE and enjoy themselves without those pesky 'other players' messing up their isk gathering efficiency.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:14:42 -
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Danalee wrote:I think we should give every new player some hisec POCO's just so they can solo EVE and enjoy themselves without those pesky 'other players' messing up their isk gathering efficiency. D.
Almost sounds like vets in Null Sec. I'd hate to see the forums if their investments in Poco's could change hands easier...... the irony. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
187
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:19:00 -
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If those who were first to remove an Interbus POCO and replace it with their own in hisec have seen a positive ROI to this date I'd be very surprised. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1190
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:26:51 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:If those who were first to remove an Interbus POCO and replace it with their own in hisec have seen a positive ROI to this date I'd be very surprised.
I have some pocos, When I first placed them they costed around 200mil. The biggest earner of my pocos brings in (on average) 20mil/month. My poco holding corp has been wardecced, I've lost some, had to retake some etc... etc...
Fingers crossed for them paying off and me making it bigtime in 72 months from now.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Cajun Waffles
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:05:46 -
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Danalee wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:If those who were first to remove an Interbus POCO and replace it with their own in hisec have seen a positive ROI to this date I'd be very surprised. I have some pocos, When I first placed them they costed around 200mil. The biggest earner of my pocos brings in (on average) 20mil/month. My poco holding corp has been wardecced, I've lost some, had to retake some etc... etc... Fingers crossed for them paying off and me making it bigtime in 72 months from now. D.
Odd, checking the market prices over the last year in Dodixie they have hovered around 60-80 million isk. Where and when did you purchase a customs office for 200 million?
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1190
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:07:38 -
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Cajun Waffles wrote:Danalee wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:If those who were first to remove an Interbus POCO and replace it with their own in hisec have seen a positive ROI to this date I'd be very surprised. I have some pocos, When I first placed them they costed around 200mil. The biggest earner of my pocos brings in (on average) 20mil/month. My poco holding corp has been wardecced, I've lost some, had to retake some etc... etc... Fingers crossed for them paying off and me making it bigtime in 72 months from now. Odd, checking the market prices over the last year in Dodixie they have hovered around 60-80 million isk. Where and when did you purchase a customs office for 200 million?
Jeebus, I don't know... Somewhere in metropolis and when they first came out so... a while ago. Also: not only the gantry, you do know you have to... put stuff in it to work, right?
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
310
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:23:18 -
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Scira Crimson wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I may be mistaken, but as far as I was aware they could also be destroyed. Pretty sure of it, actually. I tried with an ibis: concord will intervene. So, how many thousands of frigates you will have to suicide for one downed CO? ;)
Bad troll, baaaaad
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
310
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:25:15 -
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P3ps1 Max wrote:Danalee wrote:I think we should give every new player some hisec POCO's just so they can solo EVE and enjoy themselves without those pesky 'other players' messing up their isk gathering efficiency. D. Almost sounds like vets in Null Sec. I'd hate to see the forums if their investments in Poco's could change hands easier...... the irony.
They can change hands easier ... capital ships dude. |
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