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Vechtor
DuPont Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.03.30 11:47:30 -
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Zenariae wrote:Precisely what I mean. Culture doesn't reach a consensus. It's defined by every single aspect and person, the praiseworthy, the fallen, the individual, the family, and everyone else in between. It's a dynamic and a sum, not a selective appeal to loyalties.
Nomistrav wrote: Perhaps it is simply best that we remain nomadic, dispersed, and ever contrary in our views for it is the true meaning of liberty and freedom to do so. In a way, we are more tolerant and negotiable than some Gallente because of that uniqueness of individuality above all else.
Such perfect replies from you both, so aligned with what I believe. Intaki indeed has a level of freedom that may be one of the highest inside the Federation if you take into account the full spectre of what freedom means.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The trouble with Intaki is that liberated or not, nobody could tell the difference. It's not a trouble. Not at all... May be in fact our major strength.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
262
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Posted - 2015.03.30 13:47:32 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:
Until then, all Intaki supporters are encouraged to provide Security Services in the Intaki System, or to support the Intaki Goverment by increasing its prominence as a Trade Hub.
Have you even asked the Intaki if this is what they want? You keep asserting that it would be the best thing for them but I've not seen any Intaki standing by your assertion.
Is it not ironic that you declare the need for their liberation yet presume to speak both on their behalf and in their best interests strictly from your viewpoint without even consulting them? We have a word for that: tyranny.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
556
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Posted - 2015.03.30 15:16:47 -
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Oh, I think we've heard fairly often from Intaki locals that security and economic opportunity should be improved. I'd say Totalen isn't out of bounds advocating those things in principle.
Where we tend to get tied up is in the specifics. For instance: my idea of "providing security services" includes chasing Squids away from Gallente military assets whenever I see them. I gather such activities are not universally approved. On the economic front, "increasing trade" can mean many things, not all of which are beneficial to the locals. Particularly if one is shipping in products produced elsewhere that undercut local manufactures. If I'm not mistaken, IPI are still operating the only orbital production facilities. |
Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
232
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Posted - 2015.03.30 16:49:10 -
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From where I sit, the Intaki seem to have their own **** together better then the rest of us. Let them be and tend your own house before trying to improve someone else's.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
5
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:10:49 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:
Until then, all Intaki supporters are encouraged to provide Security Services in the Intaki System, or to support the Intaki Goverment by increasing its prominence as a Trade Hub.
Have you even asked the Intaki if this is what they want? You keep asserting that it would be the best thing for them but I've not seen any Intaki standing by your assertion. Is it not ironic that you declare the need for their liberation yet presume to speak both on their behalf and in their best interests strictly from your viewpoint without even consulting them? We have a word for that: tyranny.
Yes, I have asked. Why do you think we have the Intaki Liberation Front? Intaki Pure? The Intaki are already moving for there independence, I am simply trying to rally support for these efforts, which are being produced by Intaki.
And for the last time, I fight for the Amarrrians simply for there tech. I do not actively engage in combat against the Minmatar, yet simply set up camp near outposts that the Minmatar couldn't reach anyways. I do it for the ships and equipment, nothing else.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
557
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:14:06 -
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Perhaps you'd be so good as to tell us which Intaki organizations have been in contact with you seeking economic and security assistance? |
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
5
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:16:09 -
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I have not been in contact, but this seems like a stupid question. One of the Intaki Liberation Force's main goals is to provide security for the system against pirates.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
557
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:30:38 -
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Oh, I'm just curious. Not commenting on the activities of any other parties. |
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
418
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Posted - 2015.03.30 19:36:38 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:One of the Intaki Liberation Force's main goals is to provide security for the system against pirates.
And do you not think that Intaki Prime being a Federation system would be a Federation security concern?
If the actual legislative body on Intaki Prime is interested in a higher security status for the system they should voice that concern with the Federal Senate. Upon reaching a security agreement for the system, The Federation Navy could perhaps station a small contingent consisting primarily of Intaki crewmembers, however ultimately answering to the Federal Chain of Command.
To allow for independent capsuleer organizations, to decide policy in a system they have no governing say over; be they Federal, State or Null-Sec aligned is a complete violation of legality.
Security for the Intaki system is ultimately something the legislative bodies will have to come to an agreement on.
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
7
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Posted - 2015.03.30 20:48:16 -
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Look, I'm getting tired of arguing with those of you against Intaki Liberation. If your interested in supporting the Intaki and eventually liberating them, speak up. If not, we have enough of you protesting against the Intaki simply because you want to use them like your personal dog.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
264
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Posted - 2015.03.30 21:07:04 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:Look, I'm getting tired of arguing with those of you against Intaki Liberation. If your interested in supporting the Intaki and eventually liberating them, speak up. If not, we have enough of you protesting against the Intaki simply because you want to use them like your personal dog.
Oh...are those my motivations? I was unaware, thank you for informing me.
Monsieur, between the two of us, you have presumed to speak for them and suggest what is best for them more times in this one thread than I have in the entirety of my life. You've also stuck your nose in where it didn't belong, steel your resolve and contend with the repercussions like an adult.
Now if you're quite finished hurling your opinions and unwarranted interjections around and barking like a rabid dog at those who disagree with you, perhaps you could clamp your jaw shut and let the Intaki continue to speak for themselves and those of us who wish to sincerely and honestly maintain dialogue with them can do so in the appropriate venues and the appropriate manner.
Oh, and one more thing, I'm not "protesting against the Intaki," in anything. I have spent a significant amount of time in dialogue and friendship with many Intaki, including those from the ILF and IPI. They are a wise and reserved people who do a marvelous job of representing themselves and seeking a resolution in a respectful and beneficial manner to all involved parties.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2015.03.30 22:09:04 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:Look, I'm getting tired of arguing with those of you against Intaki Liberation. If your interested in supporting the Intaki and eventually liberating them, speak up. If not, we have enough of you protesting against the Intaki simply because you want to use them like your personal dog. You seem to have forgotten how an open fourm works. Consider this a bit of enlightenment, people disagree with you..... alot.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
7
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Posted - 2015.03.31 23:39:25 -
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I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Demion Samenel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
56
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Posted - 2015.04.01 18:46:55 -
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I have over the years learned that publicly address these matters is of no use special if its a military intervention you seek as it tends to draw unwanted eyes to its cause. There are forces that wishes the same things you wish for mr.Toralen and for the people of Intaki, I have fought in the Intaki system before and even called it home during a short period and for some I call friends hold the system in high regards.
I offer my advice if you want it mr.Toralen
Captain Demion Samenel
Chief of Diplomatic Staff
News blog
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2015.04.01 19:58:53 -
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Do no try to foment revolution or rebellion where it is not necessary.
Intaki here. I'm currently living in Syndicate. I had zero issues leaving the Federation, and in fact received lots of support from fellow Gallenteans, both Intaki and not, during my move - especially from my fellow corp members in the Center for Advanced Studies. An official Gallente corp that I remain in to this day without any issues.
If there are Intaki living in Federation space who are complaining about the conditions there, the fix is a matter of educating them, not liberation by force. All Intaki are welcome in Syndicate - and all Gallenteans are as well, in fact. Nobody has ever done, or will ever do, anything to prevent citizens from moving out here. Perhaps it's just not well known outside of the Center for Advanced Studies that Syndicate is open?
Spread the word to those living in the high-security of Federation space that a better life is possible out here.
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Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
245
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:10:50 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4601
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:59:01 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?
Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
246
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Posted - 2015.04.01 21:12:21 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government? Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable? Acceptable.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
7
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Posted - 2015.04.01 21:59:02 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?
When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
7
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:00:25 -
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Demion Samenel wrote:I have over the years learned that publicly address these matters is of no use special if its a military intervention you seek as it tends to draw unwanted eyes to its cause. There are forces that wishes the same things you wish for mr.Toralen and for the people of Intaki, I have fought in the Intaki system before and even called it home during a short period and for some I call friends hold the system in high regards.
I offer my advice if you want it mr.Toralen
Yes please.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4602
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:21:34 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government? Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable? Acceptable.
Don't forget to bring two full changes of clothes, five changes of underwear and a toothbrush or culturally acceptable equivalent. You have been assigned to the Gaarushi family in sector 12-F at the Warm Breezes apartment block on Caldari Prime. You're expected in class seventeen at the reeducation center at Oh-Nine hundred hours on Wednesday.
Enjoy your freedoms.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
247
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:43:44 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government? When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente. They are pretty much the only thing keeping the Amarrian navy out of our systems. I don't have the hubris to believe we could take that on and win (make it hurt, yeah, but not win). So unless you want to fill in for them, we'll just keep our alliance intact.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
304
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:21:09 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government?
Requesting - let alone expecting - the Caldari State to operate with any degree of unity toward any cause is asking a lot on its own even despite the motive or objective in question. You'd ask megacorporations with bitter rivalries that have extended as long as anyone can remember to join forces for the benefit of another peoples... Might I say that there'd best be an incredible sum of revenue involved.
Ishukone, on the other hand, has done a great service for the free peoples of New Eden far and wide. The Matari, especially, with their medical productions. Might I say that they also make a very fine line of Personal Defense Weaponry with the Matari as their target consumer base.
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
7
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:26:43 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government? When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente. They are pretty much the only thing keeping the Amarrian navy out of our systems. I don't have the hubris to believe we could take that on and win (make it hurt, yeah, but not win). So unless you want to fill in for them, we'll just keep our alliance intact.
That is what I was suggesting. And before you people start I indeed fight for the Empire but only for their tech.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
7
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:29:12 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government? Requesting - let alone expecting - the Caldari State to operate with any degree of unity toward any cause is asking a lot on its own even despite the motive or objective in question. You'd ask megacorporations with bitter rivalries that have extended as long as anyone can remember to join forces for the benefit of another peoples... Might I say that there'd best be an incredible sum of revenue involved. Ishukone, on the other hand, has done a great service for the free peoples of New Eden far and wide. The Matari, especially, with their medical productions. Might I say that they also make a very fine line of Personal Defense Weaponry with the Matari as their target consumer base. Indeed. This is why I run missions for Ishukone, Sisters of Eve, and the Syndicate.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
249
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:38:40 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government? Next Tuesday. Seventeen Hundred hours acceptable? Acceptable. Don't forget to bring two full changes of clothes, five changes of underwear and a toothbrush or culturally acceptable equivalent. You have been assigned to the Gaarushi family in sector 12-F at the Warm Breezes apartment block on Caldari Prime. You're expected in class seventeen at the reeducation center at Oh-Nine hundred hours on Wednesday. Enjoy your freedoms. I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you.....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4603
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Posted - 2015.04.02 17:27:47 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Dailar Toralen wrote:I understand that. Anyways, I will again state as I have many times I do not try to represent the Intaki, yet call support for them. They already have said enough (most of them at least) that they at least want better conditions. I want better conditions too, when are the Caldari going to come and liberate my people from the oppression of the Amarrian government? When the Minmatar stop allying themselves with the Gallente. They are pretty much the only thing keeping the Amarrian navy out of our systems. I don't have the hubris to believe we could take that on and win (make it hurt, yeah, but not win). So unless you want to fill in for them, we'll just keep our alliance intact.
Which is fine but why ally yourself with a power who is at war with us and be surprised when you get hurt?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4603
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Posted - 2015.04.02 17:28:50 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you.....
Ohhh. I assumed there was something in this for us. ;)
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:11:16 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you..... Ohhh. I assumed there was something in this for us. ;) There is a BBQ at my place afterwards, my treat.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
569
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:18:01 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:I said liberate, not consolidate. We want to be free of them, not part of you..... Ohhh. I assumed there was something in this for us. ;)
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