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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.04.07 15:54:55 -
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Nuance just really is not your strong suit is it? |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
266
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Posted - 2015.04.07 16:12:31 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Nuance just really is not your strong suit is it? What!? Between him and Kim, why, they're the vary picture of nuance!
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4611
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:34:56 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:You people hate Roden so badly because he's the epitome of a successful Caldari leader. He just isn't Caldari.
Perhaps we just don't understand why YOU don't hate him - since he's very much the anti-thesis of a Gallente leader. It's pretty rough having you beat us over the head for being the way we are and using someone like Roden to do it!
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
289
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:43:38 -
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I've been on record before and I'll gladly go on record again: I have no love for President Roden or Monsieur Blaque.
Regarding the Intaki Syndicate:
The Intaki Syndicate is an independent entity in that it is not under the direct governance of any other entity. It is, however, subject to regulation by the Federation regarding its ability to inhabit planets and occupy territory; regulations it complies with for a number of reasons.
We have, once again, come to a point where we are speaking on their behalf rather than simply observing or listening for their own representation. I don't know for certain that the Syndicate hates the Federation, what I do know is that it is a major trade partner of the Federation and the political and military relationship between them is one of mutual negligence moreso than anything else.
To label them a "puppet" or "vassal" of the Federation would be incorrect, however to label them as a fully independent nation would also be incorrect. They would most accurately be described as an autonomous subculture of the Intaki with ties to the Federation and other entities.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
10
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Posted - 2015.04.07 18:15:33 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:I've been on record before and I'll gladly go on record again: I have no love for President Roden or Monsieur Blaque.
Regarding the Intaki Syndicate:
The Intaki Syndicate is an independent entity in that it is not under the direct governance of any other entity. It is, however, subject to regulation by the Federation regarding its ability to inhabit planets and occupy territory; regulations it complies with for a number of reasons.
We have, once again, come to a point where we are speaking on their behalf rather than simply observing or listening for their own representation. I don't know for certain that the Syndicate hates the Federation, what I do know is that it is a major trade partner of the Federation and the political and military relationship between them is one of mutual negligence moreso than anything else.
To label them a "puppet" or "vassal" of the Federation would be incorrect, however to label them as a fully independent nation would also be incorrect. They would most accurately be described as an autonomous subculture of the Intaki with ties to the Federation and other entities.
Regarding the Intaki Syndicate, I agree with you. It should prove that the Gallente are power-mongers. They try to control a faction which doesn't even have an alliance with them, which blows up Gallente ships for christ's sakes!
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
916
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Posted - 2015.04.07 18:56:55 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:I've been on record before and I'll gladly go on record again: I have no love for President Roden or Monsieur Blaque.
Regarding the Intaki Syndicate:
The Intaki Syndicate is an independent entity in that it is not under the direct governance of any other entity. It is, however, subject to regulation by the Federation regarding its ability to inhabit planets and occupy territory; regulations it complies with for a number of reasons.
We have, once again, come to a point where we are speaking on their behalf rather than simply observing or listening for their own representation. I don't know for certain that the Syndicate hates the Federation, what I do know is that it is a major trade partner of the Federation and the political and military relationship between them is one of mutual negligence moreso than anything else.
To label them a "puppet" or "vassal" of the Federation would be incorrect, however to label them as a fully independent nation would also be incorrect. They would most accurately be described as an autonomous subculture of the Intaki with ties to the Federation and other entities.
The term is simply a protectorate. |
Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
290
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:13:13 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:
The term is simply a protectorate.
A protectorate would be under the protection of the Federation, which the Syndicate is not (to my knowledge).
Monsieur Toralen,
I fail to see how the relationship between the Syndicate and the Federation proves the Federation is a power mongering entity. The Syndicate is subject to the Federation only in that it has no desire to cause conflict and force military response should they breach their current relationship; also in that it maintains a business relationship with the Federation.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
916
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Posted - 2015.04.08 16:54:26 -
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Who knows ? Maybe not under official terms, granted... |
Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
25
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:54:05 -
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Is there a single Gallente pilot on this forum who would not help the intaki if they actually wanted to be "Liberated"?
Speak up if you would not.
This is a weird thing to even consider I mean how do you free people who might not even want what you consider freedom?
Should someone not fight for there own freedom? Or at least cry out for it?
Tristan |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4615
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Posted - 2015.04.08 23:24:54 -
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The mere fact that the Intaki Liberation Front exists suggests you might be oversimplifying this issue.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.04.09 00:13:05 -
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As Monsieur Tuulinen suggests, the situation is not so simple.
However, it is filled with intricacies and nuances that are best left to the purview of those directly involved with the situation rather than the forceful interjection of outside parties.
The Intaki have in the past, and are continuing to, represented themselves with tact and wisdom and while the situation may appear to be monolithic at this juncture, important situations are worth taking the time to deliberate over and resolve carefully.
While I am thankful for the interest of outside parties in the plight of a people, I would continue to urge that those people be permitted to continue representing themselves in the manner they see worthy and allow those of us directly involved to conduct ourselves accordingly.
Thank you.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2015.04.09 14:46:49 -
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Tristan Valentina wrote:Is there a single Gallente pilot on this forum who would not help the intaki if they actually wanted to be "Liberated"?
Speak up if you would not.
This is a weird thing to even consider I mean how do you free people who might not even want what you consider freedom?
Should someone not fight for there own freedom? Or at least cry out for it?
Tristan I am not Gallente pilot, but I would want them to be liberated! (but how I understood from the discussion earlier, no Gallente pilot of Gallente origin would stand for Intaki Liberation, as it is Gallente who want to keep them under control)
I am pretty sure Her Majesty could provide shelter for the Syndicate to liberate them from heretical influence, should they turn themselves into Faith. If they will be under divine protection, Federation won't dare to attack them!
Everything can be solved peacefully (instead of "fighting for their freedom"), and all you and all of them need to do is to pray.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.04.09 15:24:28 -
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Under control?
The Federation is not this great, oppressive entity squashing the Intaki under its proverbial thumb or herding them like cattle.
It is an amusing irony that so many outside of the Federation are engaging in the very activity that so many decry the Gallente for; meddling in affairs they do not understand and interjecting their own ignorant opinions as if they have some right or credential to do so.
If you're determined to interject your opinions on the matter, at least educate yourselves accordingly first. The Intaki Liberation Front, the Intaki Perspective and the Intaki Syndicate have all been misrepresented more than once in this discussion alone. That's not even mentioning the misrepresentation of the Federation and its relationship to any of these entities as well.
Mademoiselle Hanaya,
Your empress would do well to keep her nose out of Federal affairs and focus inward, I would offer you the same advice.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
567
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Posted - 2015.04.09 15:37:04 -
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One thing I have learned repeatedly and often to my considerable frustration during my time Capsuleering, mister Antolliere, is that ranks of the Caldari are no less riddled with the occasional hypocrite then any other group in the cluster, despite what some may like to assert.
For instance, I do believe that one of the Caldari I've seen promoting "inevitable" Intaki independence recently is one of the same who heckled me for suggesting an increased degree of autonomy or societal power for the Achur, just a handful of months ago. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4616
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:07:46 -
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I thought I was rather supportive - I hope I'm not the hypocrite you're referring to.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
567
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:27:34 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I thought I was rather supportive - I hope I'm not the hypocrite you're referring to.
No, not you, Pieter.
Besides, you're not exactly flag waving for the Intaki here, regardless. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2015.04.09 18:35:49 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote: Mademoiselle Hanaya,
Your empress would do well to keep her nose out of Federal affairs and focus inward, I would offer you the same advice.
Syndicate is not Federation, and it is better your keep your nose out of their business!! If they will turn themselves to Faith, we will protect them from ones like you!
Yes! Go away! And leave them alone!
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4616
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Posted - 2015.04.09 18:38:32 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I thought I was rather supportive - I hope I'm not the hypocrite you're referring to. No, not you, Pieter. Besides, you're not exactly flag waving for the Intaki here, regardless.
Well, I was boosting the idea of them being able to choose for themselves who they wish to associate with, so in that sense... Still, I think I get what you mean. Glad it wasn't me.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2015.04.09 18:44:55 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote: Syndicate is not Federation, and it is better your keep your nose out of their business!! If they will turn themselves to Faith, we will protect them from ones like you!
Yes! Go away! And leave them alone!
Perhaps we have a misunderstanding.
The Federation does leave the Syndicate well enough alone. If you suspect otherwise, perhaps you should spend some time there and do some proselytizing? I'm sure the natives would be quite receptive to your work.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1133
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Posted - 2015.04.09 18:46:53 -
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Wow, we have capsuleers from all four empires trying to get the Syndicate in their fold now.
*popcorn*
I'm betting on the status quo...
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
916
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Posted - 2015.04.09 21:52:36 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote: Mademoiselle Hanaya,
Your empress would do well to keep her nose out of Federal affairs and focus inward, I would offer you the same advice.
Syndicate is not Federation, and it is better your keep your nose out of their business!! If they will turn themselves to Faith, we will protect them from ones like you! Yes! Go away! And leave them alone!
Can the Ammatar be 'left alone' too, by that logic ? |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
67
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Posted - 2015.04.14 18:04:41 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:
I understand this, but would it not be agreeable to liberate at least the Intaki that wanted to be Liberated?
Don't you think it is the responsibility of those that feel oppressed to do something about it themselves? If they are not putting the effort in then they do not deserve to be 'saved'. If you see is a group that needs help with such matters then go and help them. It is a rather simple matter.
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Arkady Vachon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1247
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Posted - 2015.04.15 04:45:11 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Wow, we have capsuleers from all four empires trying to get the Syndicate in their fold now.
*popcorn*
I'm betting on the status quo...
I've been watching this discussion with a mug of hot coffee in hand, myself.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
406
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Posted - 2015.04.15 06:18:25 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Wow, we have capsuleers from all four empires trying to get the Syndicate in their fold now.
*popcorn*
I'm betting on the status quo... I've been watching this discussion with a mug of hot coffee in hand, myself.
What kind of coffee and how did you roast and brew it?
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arkady Vachon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1247
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Posted - 2015.04.15 07:11:48 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Arkady Vachon wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Wow, we have capsuleers from all four empires trying to get the Syndicate in their fold now.
*popcorn*
I'm betting on the status quo... I've been watching this discussion with a mug of hot coffee in hand, myself. What kind of coffee and how did you roast and brew it?
Right now a brew from a green strain of bean. The thing about coffee is that, as I have found in cargo hauls all over the Empires, that there are worlds in every Empire that has a strain or berry whose bean is very good for coffee making. Tea is the same way, I suppose.
Maybe the universe is bound together by caffeine, who can say.
Right, roasting is with a temperature controlled custom roaster, did the design work on it so that the temperature can be precisely controlled as well as an evenly roasted batch as possible, that way if we are roasting for dark, light, or medium we can get the result we want.
I have a small location on Intaki where we do the roasting ourselves, nothing commercial yet, but laying in a good supply of coffee for my ship crews takes a crew in and of itself. *chuckles* In fact, we have approval to start a coffee planting not far from the property, selecting strains that can be controlled and won't invade the ecosystem, there are even beans native to the world that we are looking at for roasting and new blends.
I have a wood burning roaster at my place on Intaki as well for nostalgia purposes.
One of those things,, i'm not always out there running cargoes or supervising industrial construction contracts.
If you wish, I can arrange to have a shipment sent to the station of mutual convenience.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
253
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Posted - 2015.04.15 07:54:03 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:*popcorn*
I'm betting on the status quo... I've been watching this discussion with a mug of hot coffee in hand, myself.
I too have been content to monitor this discussion as it's focus has moved from point to point.
My notes suggest it should prove educational, as it gives an indication of people's (mis)understanding of the Intaki independence movement, in particular the Intaki Liberation Front.
This will help set the tone and focus of future announcements by the ILF and IPI.
Just briefly on the topic of the Intaki Syndicate, there are a range of opinions regarding our exiled cousins, and while there are some who might favour fostering deeper relations with them, current IPI policy focuses our attention at home.
Bataav
Mahesha | Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
406
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Posted - 2015.04.15 07:56:36 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Arkady Vachon wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Wow, we have capsuleers from all four empires trying to get the Syndicate in their fold now.
*popcorn*
I'm betting on the status quo... I've been watching this discussion with a mug of hot coffee in hand, myself. What kind of coffee and how did you roast and brew it? Right now a brew from a green strain of bean. The thing about coffee is that, as I have found in cargo hauls all over the Empires, that there are worlds in every Empire that has a strain or berry whose bean is very good for coffee making. Tea is the same way, I suppose. Maybe the universe is bound together by caffeine, who can say. Right, roasting is with a temperature controlled custom roaster, did the design work on it so that the temperature can be precisely controlled as well as an evenly roasted batch as possible, that way if we are roasting for dark, light, or medium we can get the result we want. I have a small location on Intaki where we do the roasting ourselves, nothing commercial yet, but laying in a good supply of coffee for my ship crews takes a crew in and of itself. *chuckles* In fact, we have approval to start a coffee planting not far from the property, selecting strains that can be controlled and won't invade the ecosystem, there are even beans native to the world that we are looking at for roasting and new blends. I have a wood burning roaster at my place on Intaki as well for nostalgia purposes. One of those things,, i'm not always out there running cargoes or supervising industrial construction contracts. If you wish, I can arrange to have a shipment sent to the station of mutual convenience.
I will arrange a mutually convenient time to come over to Intaki to sample the brew.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arkady Vachon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1251
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:03:30 -
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I will have some on hand for you.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content
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Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
334
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:50:49 -
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Bataav wrote: My notes suggest it should prove educational, as it gives an indication of people's (mis)understanding of the Intaki independence movement, and in particular of the Intaki Liberation Front.
Monsieur Bataav,
I know I do not know the intricacies of your movement and if I have misspoken or demonstrated a misunderstanding in some area, please enlighten me. Should you choose to do so here or in private does not matter to me; but I would prefer to rectify any misunderstandings I may have.
You have my thanks in advance.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2015.04.18 11:06:39 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote: Syndicate is not Federation, and it is better your keep your nose out of their business!! If they will turn themselves to Faith, we will protect them from ones like you!
Yes! Go away! And leave them alone!
Perhaps we have a misunderstanding. The Federation does leave the Syndicate well enough alone. If you suspect otherwise, perhaps you should spend some time there and do some proselytizing? I'm sure the natives would be quite receptive to your work. Unfortunately I am not educated that well to do this. All I can do is to give silly advices.
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