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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.03.27 13:46:14 -
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Nay
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2015.03.27 13:47:27 -
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Medreena Burstin wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Medreena Burstin wrote:So long as contacts roll over and an aka is added i am ok with it. I think its a horribly bad idea though. The contacts issue has been explained by CCP before when we've had this discussion and yes, there will be no problem for contacts. From my recollection, contacts are stored against character ID, not character name. Since the character ID in the database will not change even if a name is changed, contacts will continue unaffected. Then I'd like to slightly move the goal posts and request a concord email when it happens and expose this change in the Api. You mean, everone who has the renaming person as a contact, should receive a notification-mail?
What for? The person in question might rename himself for the reason to not be found by those who know him, so this would completely remove the point.
Just because everyone can potentially see who he was, doesn't mean everyone should know right from the spot. |
2Sonas1Cup
56
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:05:56 -
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Chribba wrote:I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.
/c
I must admit contrary to what I would immediately vote for, I agree with this to some extent (perhaps even bigger extent than what I disagree, sadly but true).
The fact that eve is a game where the social part plays a major role along with your character personality, reputation as you said, and history it would make little to no sense allowing people to change name as it would destroy or kill a very important and most certainly interesting part of this game.
HOWEVER
People buy, transfer and sell characters all the time for one reason or another, and because of this I don't agree with the idea of someone to be obligated to carry on with the old reputation of someone else who used that character before.
And also if you think about it, anyone could pretend to be a different person behind any character at any time and claim he has just bought it.
With that said
I see no reason to stop people from name changing.
Now
Should CCP limit it to 1 name change allowed per year? Yes, they should.
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
179
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:11:33 -
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Something else they can charge a PLEX for. Can SP boosts be far behind?
I guess they'll need to add an "AKA" tab so we can track name changes. I'm sure it will help the character market, too, because people can buy a character and change the name and appearance and make it their own. |
kes88
Swords of Persephone
86
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:13:42 -
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So so so in favour of this.
I don't want to change my name to "escape" my reputation. Not that I really have one, but either way I'm very happy to accept that if they did introduce it it should be clear what your previous name was and contacts standings stay the same etc etc.
My boyfriend just recently re-subbed and also asked me about whether you can change your name yet, because I think it's a shame to devote so many skillpoints and devotion to a character whose name you don't even like. To the people who just say "oh suck it up" well I have, but the 30 seconds I spent typing in random names and coming up with this ****** one shouldn't really mean I get penalised with such an unsexy boring name for the rest of my time in EVE (may it be long). Or at least that's how I feel. |
Kuga
Back Door Burglars Uncharted Space
36
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:14:04 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:At this stage, there are no details, and implementing this feature isn't even a sure thing yet. But as CCP Terminus said, it's definitely something we've talked about internally (and even mentioned before this externally).
We'll let you know more in the future if we move forward with it.
A feature like this should be limited to recently bought characters where it can be confirmed manually that another player is actually using the character.
To be quite frank I don't care how much money this is worth to CCP, it's a bad idea to allow open name changing and I'm rather disappointed that the company is contemplating following a course of short term profit over long term integrity.
A character's name is the only true identification they have in the game available to other players. Other than this all we see is a space ship. Taking that away compromises everything that EVE is about. All those political ploys, thefts and underhanded activities and other black marks are rendered meaningless if a character can clean slate themselves so easily, and well you know it.
I don't make the game, but at least I'm in touch with what it's about. I might suggest developers invest some time doing the same. |
Syrilian
Ascending Angels
53
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:14:13 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Chribba wrote:I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.
/c I must admit contrary to what I would immediately vote for, I agree with this to some extent (perhaps even bigger extent than what I disagree, sadly but true). The fact that eve is a game where the social part plays a major role along with your character personality, reputation as you said, and history it would make little to no sense allowing people to change name as it would destroy or kill a very important and most certainly interesting part of this game. HOWEVER People buy, transfer and sell characters all the time for one reason or another, and because of this I don't agree with the idea of someone to be obligated to carry on with the old reputation of someone else who used that character before.
If you don't want the reputation of a character, don't buy the character. I completely do not like the idea of being able to change names. This game is all about consequences for your actions. Changing a player's name goes a long way in letting someone avoid the consequences of their actions. |
Serene Repose
2503
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:16:02 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Im gonna change my name to Mooshi and make posts how im addicted to porno (true, sad story btw) Why am I not surprised? At the same time, my low-level interest lamp isn't even lit.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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kes88
Swords of Persephone
88
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:16:29 -
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Surely the thing that's more detrimental to maintaining or losing a reputation is character selling, not name changing? |
Moshi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:38:24 -
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kes88 wrote:Surely the thing that's more detrimental to maintaining or losing a reputation is character selling, not name changing?
Yes. It's funny how allowing a name change with an easy way to see the previous name of a character being played by the same person somehow trashes the concept of personal reputation and allows people to escape consequences, but the selling of a character to be played by a completely different person somehow doesn't. It's almost as if people don't bring this up because they are happy to make billions of ISK selling characters. |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
24149
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:49:58 -
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I can understand Chribbs's point, but name changes have already been a part of the game and we've been learning to deal with it.
- Pilots biomass and other pilots take their name. The old pilot's posts still show up in the new pilot's history, but the new pilot has a new Character ID (as stated).
- Pilots restored from biomass who have had their name taken (like would happen with Marlona since someone has already reserved the name)
- There is a large number of Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar Citizens ##### running around in EVE because they were old trial accounts who lost their names or they had offensive names (like AC). What's funny is, AC's posts sometimes shows their old name if you refresh the page enough times so there are still gaps in the system.
- Corporations also get deleted or renamed due to being offensive.
I wouldn't deign to know more about EVE reputation than Chribbs, but my sense is that reputation is a complex interplay of many different things, not just your name.
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EVE:Valkyrie pilot unmasked (her name is Ran)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8133
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:54:27 -
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Moshi wrote:kes88 wrote:Surely the thing that's more detrimental to maintaining or losing a reputation is character selling, not name changing? Yes. It's funny how allowing a name change with an easy way to see the previous name of a character being played by the same person somehow trashes the concept of personal reputation and allows people to escape consequences, but the selling of a character to be played by a completely different person somehow doesn't. It's almost as if people don't bring this up because they are happy to make billions of ISK selling characters.
As one of those character traders, I'd love to have a name change mechanic. You have no idea how many good characters I pass over because they have names like kes88 (no offense meant).
If I thought that this change would actually happen, I'd be in there buying up all those characters on the cheap right now. Then rename them later and hopefully turn a decent profit. It would depend on the cost of the name change, of course.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Aphsala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:57:21 -
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Very cool with this idea, aslong as previous is available like corp history |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
224
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:59:57 -
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It will be fun once people start to change names every 24h between a few characters, good luck trying to figure out who is who after a few rotations or who was who at which scam.
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
655
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:19:47 -
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Lan Wang wrote:id like a name change :( Why? You gonna change it to Long Dong?
The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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kes88
Swords of Persephone
90
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:21:26 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:id like a name change :( Why? You gonna change it to Long Dong?
Only if you changed it to Long Dong Silver. |
kes88
Swords of Persephone
90
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:22:16 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Moshi wrote:kes88 wrote:Surely the thing that's more detrimental to maintaining or losing a reputation is character selling, not name changing? Yes. It's funny how allowing a name change with an easy way to see the previous name of a character being played by the same person somehow trashes the concept of personal reputation and allows people to escape consequences, but the selling of a character to be played by a completely different person somehow doesn't. It's almost as if people don't bring this up because they are happy to make billions of ISK selling characters. As one of those character traders, I'd love to have a name change mechanic. You have no idea how many good characters I pass over because they have names like kes88 (no offense meant). If I thought that this change would actually happen, I'd be in there buying up all those characters on the cheap right now. Then rename them later and hopefully turn a decent profit. It would depend on the cost of the name change, of course. Mr Epeen
None taken and completely agree. |
Serene Repose
2507
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:22:22 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Moshi wrote:kes88 wrote:Surely the thing that's more detrimental to maintaining or losing a reputation is character selling, not name changing? Yes. It's funny how allowing a name change with an easy way to see the previous name of a character being played by the same person somehow trashes the concept of personal reputation and allows people to escape consequences, but the selling of a character to be played by a completely different person somehow doesn't. It's almost as if people don't bring this up because they are happy to make billions of ISK selling characters. As one of those character traders, I'd love to have a name change mechanic. You have no idea how many good characters I pass over because they have names like kes88 (no offense meant). If I thought that this change would actually happen, I'd be in there buying up all those characters on the cheap right now. Then rename them later and hopefully turn a decent profit. It would depend on the cost of the name change, of course. Mr Epeen See? You say that, then expect CCP to just hand over the tools to you?? ROFL
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
521
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:48:57 -
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No to name changes. The scenarios Sibyyl listed are not common. You'd have to go through hundreds if not thousands of characters to find one that applies.
Local right now serves as an intel tool. As long as that remains characters should stay tied to their identities. I do not want to be clicking through 30 names in local when I'm in a pod because Mystical Might keeps changing his name every week. 400 red contacts later using the contact list to figure this out is a no go.
You would need a label for every pilot of relevance to you. Enemy FCs, pod smartbombers, cynos, supercap pilots, etc. Then you'd need to look through each of those labels constantly to ensure you're up to date on their new name.
It's too much. All because someone was daft enough to name their character something like McChicken Combo HalfMayo. Sorry, but deal with it.
There are all our dominion
Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
49
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:11:20 -
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+1
I for one would welcome such a change. Make it cost a PLEX or two. I can't really say I'm super happy with a name I made up years ago.
A compromise. Let a player change his/her name only once, and make that option 1+ year after character birth. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8135
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:19:53 -
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Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:It will be fun once people start to change names every 24h between a few characters, good luck trying to figure out who is who after a few rotations or who was who at which scam.
That's a little extreme.
I imagine if CCP does this, it would be as a courtesy to those that facerolled their name as a trial and decided to stick around. Meaning it would be a one time per character thing.
But just for fun, let's give your scenario a look.
At a minimum, it would be one PLEX per change. Do you really think think some guy is going to drop 21 PLEX per week (A few [3] characters x 1 PLEX per day) for whatever it is you think he'd be doing? Seems pretty unlikely to me.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
656
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:29:18 -
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Yeah, but. If one is a professional spy for a wealthy interest. One mission is complete, can we scrub the spy to send him into another one to alleviate fear of cross detection? That might be worth a PLEX every two or three months.
The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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Moshi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:32:26 -
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I suspect CCP would put restrictions on the service to prevent frequent name changes, such as once per character or once per year etc. |
Noriko Mai
2117
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:36:09 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:At this stage, there are no details, and implementing this feature isn't even a sure thing yet. But as CCP Terminus said, it's definitely something we've talked about internally (and even mentioned before this externally).
We'll let you know more in the future if we move forward with it. You talked about ot? OMG OMG OMFG. It's happening. Comming tommorow. OMG!!11!1!1!1
"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
103
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:52:47 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:At this stage, there are no details, and implementing this feature isn't even a sure thing yet. But as CCP Terminus said, it's definitely something we've talked about internally (and even mentioned before this externally).
We'll let you know more in the future if we move forward with it.
Id pay for that... i created my name before all the fancy options and last names and what not... |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5075
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:58:28 -
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It's been talked over with the CSM too
Reactions were, umm, mixed.
Details in the CSM summer summit minutes.
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1868
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:01:27 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:At this stage, there are no details, and implementing this feature isn't even a sure thing yet. But as CCP Terminus said, it's definitely something we've talked about internally (and even mentioned before this externally).
We'll let you know more in the future if we move forward with it. the problem i will keep bringing up, people already complain about sorting through Corp histories to be a pain for people who swap around alot, and trying to figure out who their loyalties lied with during what event.
It would SUCK to be sorting through 3-4 people who were all at one point amed "Luke Skywalker" or something stupid around the same time period, and just trying to figure out who was who, let alone who they were allied with, duing any given time.
All it does is drastically increase confusion and levels of Pain In The Ass identifying possible recruits will be, and the only benefit is so trolls and people who had the mindset of a 12 year old at character creation get to completely ignore their choices. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2244
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:01:54 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:At this stage, there are no details, and implementing this feature isn't even a sure thing yet. But as CCP Terminus said, it's definitely something we've talked about internally (and even mentioned before this externally).
We'll let you know more in the future if we move forward with it. Why is this even being considered?
Because some people end up with ridiculous names like Gallente Citizen 9484537956959 because someone took offense when they first named themselves Gareth Gobblecoque |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6499
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:06:15 -
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It would be the greatest boon to corp thieves ever. Name change could only come after the mechanics have changed to make every player permanently immune to any breakdown of trust issues.
Otherwise it becomes ass-hattery online and not even about space pixels.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2244
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:17:30 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It would be the greatest boon to corp thieves ever. Name change could only come after the mechanics have changed to make every player permanently immune to any breakdown of trust issues.
Otherwise it becomes ass-hattery online and not even about space pixels.
You could just make it so that previous names show up when you do a 'scan' on someone. Every other game I can think of that has name changes does it like that. |
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