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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
38
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Posted - 2015.03.28 04:38:23 -
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How many skeletons are the Amarr hiding by embracing slavery?
Few Amarrians come forth on these summits renouncing their ways and denouncing the ideology upholding the practice of slavery. Wisdom it would seem is a dying gift among the pilots coming out of the Amarr Empire. I have to wonder if they are human or rogue drones; A different class of Sansha so quiet are their voices in light of a condition they perpetuate by claiming God's hand at the same time.
To claim God's support in slavery is to undermine God's gifts to the earthly planes. In no way are interactions between a slaver and a slave godly in any stretch of the imagination. Not only is the slaver exerting unholy Will to hide truth and wisdom from another life form but these slavers are turning their backs on God in the same breath.
The quest to understand God should and does take all faculties of a human life. A slave who looks to a master for enlightenment will see more of God than the master because the master has turned from God to enslave. The excuse is that this 'work' is in line with God's wishes yet how is a slaver to know the wishes of God when the slave has the better view of the two. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2015.03.28 05:27:48 -
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Ottom Ephesianos wrote:How many skeletons are the Amarr hiding by embracing slavery?
Few Amarrians come forth on these summits renouncing their ways and denouncing the ideology upholding the practice of slavery. Wisdom it would seem is a dying gift among the pilots coming out of the Amarr Empire. I have to wonder if they are human or rogue drones; A different class of Sansha so quiet are their voices in light of a condition they perpetuate by claiming God's hand at the same time.
To claim God's support in slavery is to undermine God's gifts to the earthly planes. In no way are interactions between a slaver and a slave godly in any stretch of the imagination. Not only is the slaver exerting unholy Will to hide truth and wisdom from another life form but these slavers are turning their backs on God in the same breath.
The quest to understand God should and does take all faculties of a human life. A slave who looks to a master for enlightenment will see more of God than the master because the master has turned from God to enslave. The excuse is that this 'work' is in line with God's wishes yet how is a slaver to know the wishes of God when the slave has the better view of the two.
I don't know what scripture you read but whatever it is it isn't an Amarr scripture. The Amarrian Faith believes that slavery is necessary to purify the conquered unclean people and to educate and bring them closer to God. The lifetimes of toil under the employ of an Amarrian master is suppose to cleanse the slave of their sins and their impurities as well as to learn the Faith under said master, so that in time, they will become truly pure and faithful, after which they will be freed to be a citizen of the Amarr Empire.
Of course, all of this is purely theoretical. There are many Amarr slave-owners who do not follow their creed of educating and providing for their slaves to ease their path into Faith and simply just abuse them and work them to death. There is a good reason why us Matari rebel, you know.
And of course, that part about supplanting our culture with their own and etc.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Natalei
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
0
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Posted - 2015.03.28 05:29:11 -
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I would like to hide a skeleton. Maybe one of yours. |
ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
623
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Posted - 2015.03.28 09:33:59 -
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Slavery, Amarr and Sansha all right there in the second paragraph.....If you want to make a difference kill lots of people and hope that helps, but an IGS post telling people slavery is wrong probably isn't going to help. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1037
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Posted - 2015.03.28 10:57:09 -
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It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:20:08 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster.
I am expecting an Amarrian clergyman to show up, stab his fingers into a hardcover book thick enough to bludgeon someone to death with and bellow, "As it was written!"
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
912
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:49:44 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster.
If they were free, most first and even second generation slaves would just try to leave the Empire to get back to their homes instead of learning - it is what cultural assimilation is for. Although such generations of reclaimed slaves are almost extinct, since there has been no Reclaiming for centuries. However, it starts to become a thing again with the proxy war and influx of POWs.
For the rest, the majority of first generation slaves, it is about criminals. Are you suggesting to set free criminals so that they learn better ?
Concerning following generations that have been enslaved for centuries, your remark seems valid to me. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
348
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:35:28 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster. I am expecting an Amarrian clergyman to show up, stab his fingers into a hardcover book thick enough to bludgeon someone to death with and bellow, "As it was written!"
And I heard if you click your heels together three times saying 'Amarr victor' a rabble of federation protesters show up. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:38:06 -
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Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster. I am expecting an Amarrian clergyman to show up, stab his fingers into a hardcover book thick enough to bludgeon someone to death with and bellow, "As it was written!" And I heard if you click your heels together three times saying 'Amarr victor' a rabble of federation protesters show up.
Nah. you do that to summon a horde of frothing Matari freedom fighters with more guns than sense.
To summon a rabble of Federation protestors you must click your heels together three times and say, "More government control!"
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
348
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:44:08 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster. I am expecting an Amarrian clergyman to show up, stab his fingers into a hardcover book thick enough to bludgeon someone to death with and bellow, "As it was written!" And I heard if you click your heels together three times saying 'Amarr victor' a rabble of federation protesters show up. Nah. you do that to summon a horde of frothing Matari freedom fighters with more guns than sense. To summon a rabble of Federation protestors you must click your heels together three times and say, "More government control!"
It's funny you mention that. I remember a case from a few years back about a music company that used your genetic material to find the best music that suites the listener. Course they needed a rather large amount of information on each person.
The government ( being the federation in this case) tried to shut it down fearing it was encroaching on the people's freedom.
The people protested till the government backed off as they enjoyed the service so much despite the cost.
Just food for thought. |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1037
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Posted - 2015.03.28 13:15:57 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster. If they were free, most first and even second generation slaves would just try to leave the Empire to get back to their homes instead of learning - it is what cultural assimilation is for. Although such generations of reclaimed slaves are almost extinct, since there has been no Reclaiming for centuries. However, it starts to become a thing again with the proxy war and influx of POWs. For the rest, the majority of first generation slaves, it is about criminals. Are you suggesting to set free criminals so that they learn better ? Concerning following generations that have been enslaved for centuries, your remark seems valid to me.
So these people couldn't learn in their ancestral homs? That is either the height of arrogance or naivity on the part of the Amarr if they truly belive that. As for criminals they should be in prison and suitably pubished, not used as free labour thus taking honest work away from those willing to do it. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
348
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:09:53 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster. If they were free, most first and even second generation slaves would just try to leave the Empire to get back to their homes instead of learning - it is what cultural assimilation is for. Although such generations of reclaimed slaves are almost extinct, since there has been no Reclaiming for centuries. However, it starts to become a thing again with the proxy war and influx of POWs. For the rest, the majority of first generation slaves, it is about criminals. Are you suggesting to set free criminals so that they learn better ? Concerning following generations that have been enslaved for centuries, your remark seems valid to me. So these people couldn't learn in their ancestral homs? That is either the height of arrogance or naivity on the part of the Amarr if they truly belive that. As for criminals they should be in prison and suitably pubished, not used as free labour thus taking honest work away from those willing to do it.
Maybe but does it matter now? Yes we could drag on and on about slavery, it's such an easy button to push for anti Amarr types.
There are two key points though: first slavery is capped out so the empire can't keep slaves beyond a certain generation. Secondly the Empire has stopped expanding in the traditional sence.
The age of slavery is over but it's a slow process. Are you going to help? Or keep pushing that button? |
Sinjin Mokk
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:39:19 -
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I find it interesting that whenever some altruistic rabble rouser gets it in his head that he's going to make a statement against slavery, he almost always targets the Amarr.
Yes Amarr is the cultural leader in slavery, but they are hardly alone in the galaxy.
Amarr practices slavery in conjunction with the worship of God. It's in the Scriptures. It is an integral part of every aspect of Amarr life. For many, it is about uplifting. For others, it is cheap labor. Either way, it is not going to end. Ever. It's so enmeshed in the culture that slavery in Amarr will only end when the Amarr as a culture becomes extinct.
(There will now be a brief pause so that you can get the obvious replies to that sentence out of your system. All better now? Good.)
Sani Sabik have a similar view on Slavery and it's just as enmeshed. Though I think Sanist extinction is something we can all pretty much agree on.
In Khanid, it is a little more intricate. Slavery isn't limited to the Matari. We're equal opportunity. But I tend to see two types of slaves. On the one hand, slavery is a business. Slaves are a commodity. In many households however, slaves are a loved and cherished part of a House. Uplifting is taken very seriously. And since we have slaves from every corner of space, our culture grows as we learn more about the cultures of our most cherished servants. But then again, I am a bit biased.
For the Angel Cartel, Serpentis, Guristas and other pirate factions, slavery is a business and a source of labor. There is no spiritual uplifting.
For Sansha, slavery is (to me) a bit more chilling. VITOC is bad enough (and if you have to use VITOC, you're pretty much a failure as a Master), but the Nation uses cybernetic methods that pretty much erase the individuality of the person. This is the opposite of Amarr slavery in that the soul is destroyed instead of cared for. The Scriptures are very clear on how woeful is the fate of someone who knows God and turns away; who knocks twice. But that is a matter of choice. Sansha strips the individual of any choice. And in the four years that I've been indisposed, that Sansha is still making incursions to me is a massive failure by us as a species.
As you can see, slavery is very widespread. It can be found in every corner of space. For some, it is a cultural and spiritual bond. For others, it is a commodity. For others still, it is a a system that allows them to engage in all manner of abuse without fear of reprisal.
Now I'm not saying you have to be a slave or own slaves. That path should be reserved for the faithful and in order to participate you should have faith. Your faith is your own responsibility and God is your only judge.
What I am saying, is that it would save everyone a lot of time and energy if you would read what I've written before going on and on like a drone about slavery. It is systemic across the galaxy. It is not going to end any time soon and there is really nothing anyone here is going to be able to do about it.
As a member of the faithful, I say please keep your slaves well. Uplift them! They are your responsibility and God will judge you on them. If you're a businessperson, it would behoove you to also take very good care of your slaves. Quality goods are always better than mass-produced dreck. As for the Nation and those of you who persist in using things like VITOC, I urge you to end your ways. God will punish you most severely for perverting His law.
As it was written!
Dark Amarr: Interlude
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:57:04 -
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Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:It amuses me how those who are 'guiding and enlightening' their slaves do so at the benefit of free labour from those they are 'saving'. Perhaps if they were free and given such lessons without forced servitude they would find enlightenment all the faster. I am expecting an Amarrian clergyman to show up, stab his fingers into a hardcover book thick enough to bludgeon someone to death with and bellow, "As it was written!" And I heard if you click your heels together three times saying 'Amarr victor' a rabble of federation protesters show up. Nah. you do that to summon a horde of frothing Matari freedom fighters with more guns than sense. To summon a rabble of Federation protestors you must click your heels together three times and say, "More government control!" It's funny you mention that. I remember a case from a few years back about a music company that used your genetic material to find the best music that suites the listener. Course they needed a rather large amount of information on each person. The government ( being the federation in this case) tried to shut it down fearing it was encroaching on the people's freedom. The people protested till the government backed off as they enjoyed the service so much despite the cost. Just food for thought.
Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
38
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Posted - 2015.03.28 19:28:08 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:I find it interesting that whenever some altruistic rabble rouser gets it in his head that he's going to make a statement against slavery, he almost always targets the Amarr.
Yes Amarr is the cultural leader in slavery, but they are hardly alone in the galaxy.
Amarr practices slavery in conjunction with the worship of God. It's in the Scriptures. It is an integral part of every aspect of Amarr life. For many, it is about uplifting. For others, it is cheap labor. Either way, it is not going to end. Ever. It's so enmeshed in the culture that slavery in Amarr will only end when the Amarr as a culture becomes extinct.
(There will now be a brief pause so that you can get the obvious replies to that sentence out of your system. All better now? Good.)
Sani Sabik have a similar view on Slavery and it's just as enmeshed. Though I think Sanist extinction is something we can all pretty much agree on.
In Khanid, it is a little more intricate. Slavery isn't limited to the Matari. We're equal opportunity. But I tend to see two types of slaves. On the one hand, slavery is a business. Slaves are a commodity. In many households however, slaves are a loved and cherished part of a House. Uplifting is taken very seriously. And since we have slaves from every corner of space, our culture grows as we learn more about the cultures of our most cherished servants. But then again, I am a bit biased.
For the Angel Cartel, Serpentis, Guristas and other pirate factions, slavery is a business and a source of labor. There is no spiritual uplifting.
For Sansha, slavery is (to me) a bit more chilling. VITOC is bad enough (and if you have to use VITOC, you're pretty much a failure as a Master), but the Nation uses cybernetic methods that pretty much erase the individuality of the person. This is the opposite of Amarr slavery in that the soul is destroyed instead of cared for. The Scriptures are very clear on how woeful is the fate of someone who knows God and turns away; who knocks twice. But that is a matter of choice. Sansha strips the individual of any choice. And in the four years that I've been indisposed, that Sansha is still making incursions to me is a massive failure by us as a species.
As you can see, slavery is very widespread. It can be found in every corner of space. For some, it is a cultural and spiritual bond. For others, it is a commodity. For others still, it is a a system that allows them to engage in all manner of abuse without fear of reprisal.
Now I'm not saying you have to be a slave or own slaves. That path should be reserved for the faithful and in order to participate you should have faith. Your faith is your own responsibility and God is your only judge.
What I am saying, is that it would save everyone a lot of time and energy if you would read what I've written before going on and on like a drone about slavery. It is systemic across the galaxy. It is not going to end any time soon and there is really nothing anyone here is going to be able to do about it.
As a member of the faithful, I say please keep your slaves well. Uplift them! They are your responsibility and God will judge you on them. If you're a businessperson, it would behoove you to also take very good care of your slaves. Quality goods are always better than mass-produced dreck. As for the Nation and those of you who persist in using things like VITOC, I urge you to end your ways. God will punish you most severely for perverting His law.
As it was written!
I target the Amarr because I am.
I could target everyone. But that would be silly.
Also everyone doesn't ask God to support their faulty ideology. The Amarr use this system to subjegate their own people and turn them into slavers at a young age instead of some errant pilot ending up on the dark side of the moon slaving in the wrong sectors of some self imposed hell.
I'd rather transport Quafe. |
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.03.29 00:42:32 -
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Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
I target the Amarr because I am.
I could target everyone. But that would be silly.
Also everyone doesn't ask God to support their faulty ideology. The Amarr use this system to subjegate their own people and turn them into slavers at a young age instead of some errant pilot ending up on the dark side of the moon slaving in the wrong sectors of some self imposed hell.
I'd rather transport Quafe.
It seems to me that your hatred of Amarr is merely a reflection of your own self-hatred.
You have my pity.
Dark Amarr: Interlude
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
349
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Posted - 2015.03.29 05:51:05 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. |
Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1115
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Posted - 2015.03.29 19:24:04 -
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Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. Just better then any currently in existence.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
444
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Posted - 2015.03.29 19:57:07 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. Just better then any currently in existence. That may depend on how you define "better." |
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:06:50 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. Just better then any currently in existence. That may depend on how you define "better."
In this case, I would use the word, "illusion."
Dark Amarr: Interlude
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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
38
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Posted - 2015.03.30 07:42:35 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. Just better then any currently in existence. That may depend on how you define "better." In this case, I would use the word, "illusion."
Is God an illusion for the Minmatar men and women subjugated by faulty religious doctrine?
Is God an illusion for Amarr children learning to read and write and share toys, and enslave another being?
Is victory an illusion for an Amarr every time he escapes justice?
Yes, illusions for a delusional society.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
372
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Posted - 2015.03.30 08:08:30 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. Just better then any currently in existence.
I do not see how a system where the uninformed hold the same power as the informed being better than, well, any other system. Far as I see it it's all a list of pro's and con's.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
38
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Posted - 2015.03.30 08:34:43 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. Just better then any currently in existence. I do not see how a system where the uninformed hold the same power as the informed being better than, well, any other system. Far as I see it it's all a list of pro's and con's.
Democracy is the system not the people who strive for better lives within it. It is there for things like clean water not to be a tool of institutionalized intelligence. You have to make your own dream come true. Democracy where injustice and misinformation is hidden in plain sight is not the definition of a democracy. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
372
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Posted - 2015.03.30 09:07:36 -
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Ottom Ephesianos wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
Welcome to democracy. What a lovely system.
It's not the only system and far from the best. Just better then any currently in existence. I do not see how a system where the uninformed hold the same power as the informed being better than, well, any other system. Far as I see it it's all a list of pro's and con's. Democracy is the system not the people who strive for better lives within it. It is there for things like clean water not to be a tool of institutionalized intelligence. You have to make your own dream come true. Democracy where injustice and misinformation is hidden in plain sight is not the definition of a democracy.
The Tribal system utilised by the Minmatar Republic also strives to better the lives within the Republic. The difference here is that the power to make it happen is held by the Tribe Elders rather than the common people (though the people could sway the Clan Elders to their concerns, and they can then bring this up to the Tribe Elders, who can then bring it up with the Tribal Assembly).
In fact, when changes to infrastructure and facilities are required, the Republic can probably effect this change much quicker than the democracy of the Gallente Federation, due to the near-absence of bureaucracy in the Tribal system (assuming the resources are available). In the Federation democracy, there still needs to be a referendum, debates, votes, multiple layers of red tape, etc etc to get the desired change effected.
I say the Amarr Empire is much more efficient in comparison, depending on how close said world is to the Empress. If your world happens to be right within the core regions and just next door to the Empress and the Empress declares, "Improve irrigation and power grid," your planet will receive that irrigation and power grid improvement no questions asked. None of that inefficient bureaucracy that plagues the Federation government.
As I said, pro's and con's. Different ways of doing things with different advantages and disadvantages. No such thing as a perfect government system.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
349
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Posted - 2015.03.30 14:37:08 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
Is God an illusion for the Minmatar men and women subjugated by faulty religious doctrine?
Is God an illusion for Amarr children learning to read and write and share toys, and enslave another being?
Is victory an illusion for an Amarr every time he escapes justice?
Yes, illusions for a delusional society.
Are you honestly asking or have you made up your mind already? I can't prove a point to someone who is refusing to be receptive of it. |
Tyrel Toov
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
233
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Posted - 2015.03.30 16:56:02 -
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Kithrus wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
Is God an illusion for the Minmatar men and women subjugated by faulty religious doctrine?
Is God an illusion for Amarr children learning to read and write and share toys, and enslave another being?
Is victory an illusion for an Amarr every time he escapes justice?
Yes, illusions for a delusional society.
Are you honestly asking or have you made up your mind already? I can't prove a point to someone who is refusing to be receptive of it. You should consider his mind made up.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
557
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Posted - 2015.03.30 17:09:57 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Kithrus wrote: Are you honestly asking or have you made up your mind already? I can't prove a point to someone who is refusing to be receptive of it.
You should consider his mind made up.
We may not convince one another, but the wider Capsuleer and Baseliner audience is another matter. |
Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
13
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:00:58 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Slavery, Amarr and Sansha all right there in the second paragraph.....If you want to make a difference kill lots of people and hope that helps, but an IGS post telling people slavery is wrong probably isn't going to help.
Challenge accepted. |
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
38
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Posted - 2015.03.30 19:39:17 -
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[/quote]Democracy is the system not the people who strive for better lives within it. It is there for things like clean water not to be a tool of institutionalized intelligence. You have to make your own dream come true. Democracy where injustice and misinformation is hidden in plain sight is not the definition of a democracy. [/quote]
The Tribal system utilised by the Minmatar Republic also strives to better the lives within the Republic. The difference here is that the power to make it happen is held by the Tribe Elders rather than the common people (though the people could sway the Clan Elders to their concerns, and they can then bring this up to the Tribe Elders, who can then bring it up with the Tribal Assembly).
In fact, when changes to infrastructure and facilities are required, the Republic can probably effect this change much quicker than the democracy of the Gallente Federation, due to the near-absence of bureaucracy in the Tribal system (assuming the resources are available). In the Federation democracy, there still needs to be a referendum, debates, votes, multiple layers of red tape, etc etc to get the desired change effected.
I say the Amarr Empire is much more efficient in comparison, depending on how close said world is to the Empress. If your world happens to be right within the core regions and just next door to the Empress and the Empress declares, "Improve irrigation and power grid," your planet will receive that irrigation and power grid improvement no questions asked. None of that inefficient bureaucracy that plagues the Federation government.
As I said, pro's and con's. Different ways of doing things with different advantages and disadvantages. No such thing as a perfect government system. [/quote]
The Matari Elders have a most efficient way of distributing commands and distributing information. This is why I support their freedom so vehemently.
The Federations red tape is even tape which is better than nothing.
Amarr policy is a popularity contest where God always wins. I know God is the most popular being in Amarr space but I can't seem to find his opinion on anything. Doctrine and law expressed by a corrupt priestess claiming to know something of God dependent upon philosophical diatribes that aren't even taped is not a government. It is a priesthood however when coupled with slavery is becomes a mafia of robes and smoke.
The loyalist Amarr are insane and their way of life must change with the freedom of all slaves being a priority and the development of some type of modern way to govern their peoples coming next.
I would only use their current order to free all slaves and then dissolve it completely.
If God created humans is not the common human the voice of God?
Power is not Gods concern because it is a substrate of its existence. Yet the Amarr confuse power for God and this is why they are insane. |
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Democracy is the system not the people who strive for better lives within it. It is there for things like clean water not to be a tool of institutionalized intelligence. You have to make your own dream come true. Democracy where injustice and misinformation is hidden in plain sight is not the definition of a democracy. [/quote]
The Tribal system utilised by the Minmatar Republic also strives to better the lives within the Republic. The difference here is that the power to make it happen is held by the Tribe Elders rather than the common people (though the people could sway the Clan Elders to their concerns, and they can then bring this up to the Tribe Elders, who can then bring it up with the Tribal Assembly).
In fact, when changes to infrastructure and facilities are required, the Republic can probably effect this change much quicker than the democracy of the Gallente Federation, due to the near-absence of bureaucracy in the Tribal system (assuming the resources are available). In the Federation democracy, there still needs to be a referendum, debates, votes, multiple layers of red tape, etc etc to get the desired change effected.
I say the Amarr Empire is much more efficient in comparison, depending on how close said world is to the Empress. If your world happens to be right within the core regions and just next door to the Empress and the Empress declares, "Improve irrigation and power grid," your planet will receive that irrigation and power grid improvement no questions asked. None of that inefficient bureaucracy that plagues the Federation government.
As I said, pro's and con's. Different ways of doing things with different advantages and disadvantages. No such thing as a perfect government system. [/quote]
The Matari Elders have a most efficient way of distributing commands and distributing information. This is why I support their freedom so vehemently.
The Federations red tape is even tape which is better than nothing.
Amarr policy is a popularity contest where God always wins. I know God is the most popular being in Amarr space but I can't seem to find his opinion on anything. Doctrine and law expressed by a corrupt priestess claiming to know something of God dependent upon philosophical diatribes that aren't even taped is not a government. It is a priesthood however when coupled with slavery it becomes a mafia of robes and smoke.
The loyalist Amarr are insane and their way of life must change with the freedom of all slaves being a priority and the development of some type of modern way to govern their peoples coming next.
I would only use their current order to free all slaves and then dissolve it completely.
If God created humans is not the common human the voice of God?
Power is not Gods concern because it is a substrate of its existence. Yet the Amarr confuse power for God and this is why they are insane.[/quote]
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