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AntiMatter Evoria
EPICentre Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:48:53 -
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Part of the game and all but it's also a part of the game that you have repercussions for your actions. The only repercussions in a sandbox is your credibility and reputation in the eyes of other players.
Snatch Boz was a recruit in my corporation who before downtime left with a fellow member's Legion from the public hangar. Unfortunately given that it was downtime I couldn't muster anything to prohibit him leaving the wormhole. So just be aware that this pilot is not to be trusted if you see him in your recruitment channel, anyone that completes API checks will see the appropriate act on the API (dated 28/03/2015) anyway so I don't see many half decent corps trusting this char again.
Crime and Punishment ladies and gents! If anyone wants screenshots from the API for proof, contact me in-game for it.
Regards, AntiMatter Evoria (CEO - EPICentre Syndicate) |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
758
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:04:29 -
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AntiMatter Evoria wrote:Part of the game and all but it's also a part of the game that you have repercussions for your actions. The only repercussions in a sandbox is your credibility and reputation in the eyes of other players.
Snatch Boz was a recruit in my corporation who before downtime left with a fellow member's Legion from the public hangar. Unfortunately given that it was downtime I couldn't muster anything to prohibit him leaving the wormhole. So just be aware that this pilot is not to be trusted if you see him in your recruitment channel, anyone that completes API checks will see the appropriate act on the API (dated 28/03/2015) anyway so I don't see many half decent corps trusting this char again.
Crime and Punishment ladies and gents! If anyone wants screenshots from the API for proof, contact me in-game for it.
Regards, AntiMatter Evoria (CEO - EPICentre Syndicate) Maybe it was an honest mistake? Legion's often look alike. I would like to here Snatch's version of the events before I pass judgement. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1465
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:16:37 -
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I know I've had that exact same issue. My old toyota camry looked a LOT like many others of it's kind, and I did in fact once sit down in someone else's car without realizing it. I should have taken it, as what tipped me off was that their car was much cleaner than mine.
I too would like to hear the accused's side of the story.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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AntiMatter Evoria
EPICentre Syndicate
4
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:24:45 -
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Black Pedro wrote:AntiMatter Evoria wrote:Part of the game and all but it's also a part of the game that you have repercussions for your actions. The only repercussions in a sandbox is your credibility and reputation in the eyes of other players.
Snatch Boz was a recruit in my corporation who before downtime left with a fellow member's Legion from the public hangar. Unfortunately given that it was downtime I couldn't muster anything to prohibit him leaving the wormhole. So just be aware that this pilot is not to be trusted if you see him in your recruitment channel, anyone that completes API checks will see the appropriate act on the API (dated 28/03/2015) anyway so I don't see many half decent corps trusting this char again.
Crime and Punishment ladies and gents! If anyone wants screenshots from the API for proof, contact me in-game for it.
Regards, AntiMatter Evoria (CEO - EPICentre Syndicate) Maybe it was an honest mistake? Legion's often look alike. I would like to hear Snatch's version of the events before I pass judgement.
You can feel free to do so by convo'ing him. But he did it immediately before downtime after purchasing the skillbook to fly it 20 minutes previously. It was the same name as the other members ship, with all the same modules on it and he flew his own ships out just prior. I have screenshots confirming all of that which as I've said I will gladly pass on to those that ask. He also logged in immediately after downtime, dropping corp and not responding to my mail. He was also asked in corp chat 3 times by the person who's ship it was. Now after downtime I had a confirmed scout on him travelling to Jita presumably to sell it.
It's completely up to interpretation what/who you believe in this game, but I know from doing it that an API check will reveal what I said to be true and also that anyone reading this will naturally be more cautious around this player. Which is all I want because anyone that does that won't be caught by this. Well played steal in the name of the sandbox but you get a nice bit of negative reputation to go along with it. |
Don Purple
Snuggle Society.
1140
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:06:54 -
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Ya know.. if its in a hanger with general access doesnt it belong to who ever takes it? I mean as ceo it was under your authority that he has the ship. I see no theft here.
I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
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AntiMatter Evoria
EPICentre Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:51:40 -
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Pretty correct but as a wormhole corp operating out of PoS structures and the way the coding and permission system exists in that part of EVE ('legacy code' hated by quite a few of us I assure you) . There is an element of trust among the lower tier members or else recruits and low level members would be restricted to one ship at a time flying in/out as and when they need them. This severely inhibits running wormhole activities and makes logistics a pain in everyone's backside. All recruits have access to the communal array and are free to store ships there if they choose, the policy being if you need/want to use someone else's ship ask and/or replace it when you are done. Corp theft and spying is something no one is completely immune to in EVE. Anyone could make an alt account with the intention of rising through the ranks of a corp. People can only exercise common sense and judgement in what they do and who they trust.
This was in no way a huge steal. The player in question was a low-ranking member that had been in for a short while and managed to take the only ship of real value in that array before being locked out. You could question why a low-level member chose to store a Legion there but again that's not the statement I'm trying to make. The only thing I wanted to do was warn others and get this person's name out there for people to see for future reference. |
Paranoid Loyd
4408
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:02:51 -
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You let someone named SNATCH into your corp and he stole from you. I never would have seen that coming.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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AntiMatter Evoria
EPICentre Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:05:03 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:You let someone named SNATCH into your corp and he stole from you. I never would have seen that coming.
I was waiting for someone to notice that But yeah he passed the security checks what more can I say. I've seen some hilarious names floating around.
Paranoid Lloyd I imagine would make people question your intel as a scout I assume? |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2281
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:09:58 -
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If you use an SAA to store your stuff in there is literally no way someone can steal from your tower.
Did this in team pizza.
Learn to manage your roles and it won't happen.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2776
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:47:56 -
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It is called a public hangar for a reason though , isn't it ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1357
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Posted - 2015.03.28 18:39:03 -
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Only stole one ship?
I don't think that counts.
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Crawlblood
6
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Posted - 2015.03.28 20:42:42 -
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obviously a minion of nitche
Rude, Obnoxious and somewhat in you face.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1216
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Posted - 2015.03.29 00:28:47 -
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OP, you have trust issues.
This was obviously just a mistake.
Also, allow me to introduce my good friend IPodBlues.
I believe he would like to join your corp.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2283
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Posted - 2015.03.29 01:08:48 -
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Crawlblood wrote:obviously a minion of nitche
Thank god I'm not the only one who realizes this.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
147
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Posted - 2015.03.29 01:59:28 -
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InB4 elite space-lawyer Unsuccessful At Everything tells us the REAL story behind what this abusive corp is calling "corp theft".
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
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Don Purple
Snuggle Society.
1144
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Posted - 2015.03.29 03:02:50 -
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AntiMatter Evoria wrote:Pretty correct but as a wormhole corp operating out of PoS structures and the way the coding and permission system exists in that part of EVE ('legacy code' hated by quite a few of us I assure you) . There is an element of trust among the lower tier members or else recruits and low level members would be restricted to one ship at a time flying in/out as and when they need them. This severely inhibits running wormhole activities and makes logistics a pain in everyone's backside. All recruits have access to the communal array and are free to store ships there if they choose, the policy being if you need/want to use someone else's ship ask and/or replace it when you are done. Corp theft and spying is something no one is completely immune to in EVE. Anyone could make an alt account with the intention of rising through the ranks of a corp. People can only exercise common sense and judgement in what they do and who they trust.
This was in no way a huge steal. The player in question was a low-ranking member that had been in for a short while and managed to take the only ship of real value in that array before being locked out. You could question why a low-level member chose to store a Legion there but again that's not the statement I'm trying to make. The only thing I wanted to do was warn others and get this person's name out there for people to see for future reference.
Good effort, it is a shame most the people you are warning are the ones who would commit the act :D
I do like the responce though, I would enjoy chatting in game some time.
I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
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Saeger1737
Deadly Fingertips Absolute Defiance
1078
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Posted - 2015.03.29 04:05:41 -
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I'd look at your hanger as to which ships can my alts fly... Do they have shinies and do I care if I hurt them... This is eve so hell no let me see that isk!!!! |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4923
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Posted - 2015.03.29 06:50:46 -
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Something does not add up in your testimony.
"He purchased the skillbook to fly it only 20 minutes previously".......
The Legion requires six prerequisite skills that are not used by any other ships in the game, and assuming a favorable remap, your accusee would have needed to buy 6 skills and spend more than double that time getting them all to level 1.
I was going to congratulate Snatch on the snatch, but it appears that he is not guilty of the crime of being awesome.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
356
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Posted - 2015.03.29 07:50:37 -
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I do the same thing all the time. If the ashtray in my car is full, or the glove box filled with underwear from ladies of dubious morals, I simply grab another car from the local multi story car spares.... I mean car park !
Saves cleaning or being caught by the wife :P |
AntiMatter Evoria
EPICentre Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2015.03.29 23:54:22 -
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Don Purple wrote:AntiMatter Evoria wrote:Pretty correct but as a wormhole corp operating out of PoS structures and the way the coding and permission system exists in that part of EVE ('legacy code' hated by quite a few of us I assure you) . There is an element of trust among the lower tier members or else recruits and low level members would be restricted to one ship at a time flying in/out as and when they need them. This severely inhibits running wormhole activities and makes logistics a pain in everyone's backside. All recruits have access to the communal array and are free to store ships there if they choose, the policy being if you need/want to use someone else's ship ask and/or replace it when you are done. Corp theft and spying is something no one is completely immune to in EVE. Anyone could make an alt account with the intention of rising through the ranks of a corp. People can only exercise common sense and judgement in what they do and who they trust.
This was in no way a huge steal. The player in question was a low-ranking member that had been in for a short while and managed to take the only ship of real value in that array before being locked out. You could question why a low-level member chose to store a Legion there but again that's not the statement I'm trying to make. The only thing I wanted to do was warn others and get this person's name out there for people to see for future reference. Good effort, it is a shame most the people you are warning are the ones who would commit the act :D I do like the responce though, I would enjoy chatting in game some time.
I know full well most of the people that view this are more interested in the cool awox stories that i don't have :D Just a casual boring "snatch" and grab (pardon the pun). But yeah i did what i set out to do and put the name out there. This kind of stuff is part of EVE and that's what makes it the game it is. I don't want that to change, the game would just be glorified PvE if there were more restrictions on what players can do. Eventually everyone would cuddle up in to a big blue ball and spend there game time mining and running missions. Pretty boring if there isn't player interaction that has the possibility to go wrong.
Maybe we can chat in game sometime who knows what could happen...
Oh and to the guy referencing "Unsuccessful At Everything", I enjoy everything he writes but this isn't exactly an interesting case for the Crime and Punishment defense attorney to turn his attention to. He is already working hard to help defend James Saagh righteous actions against the Brave Collective in favour of his wallet. |
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Catalytic morphisis
Viziam Amarr Empire
114
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Posted - 2015.03.31 11:52:56 -
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pretty rookie thief if all he got was a legion
Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
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Little Chubby
The Emergent.
41
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Posted - 2015.03.31 23:24:30 -
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AntiMatter Evoria wrote:All recruits have access to the communal array and are free to store ships there if they choose, the policy being if you need/want to use someone else's ship ask and/or replace it when you are done.
We here in the Crime and Punishment forum are highly dedicated to the pursuit of justice and truth at every turn, and tend to judge every similar post on individual merits. In this case, I see no such evidence to back up these claims.
Snatch Boz appears to be the victim of a malicious campaign of besmirchment for doing, by your own admission, nothing wrong. After all, 'and/or' in your statement can only logically or reasonably imply that either option is acceptable, and if he was prevented from accessing the PUBLIC hangar to securely return the ship, he really can't be blamed for not doing so. In fact, I'd assume he naturally tried to, only to find access revoked or to find himself possibly even kicked entirely from the corporation.
As for the loss of a ship in this kind of situation, as a fellow CEO, I can only assume that you take responsibilities for such obvious failings in security of corp members, especially if you have decided that they are not worth more rigorous protection of their assets. Think how vulnerable and violated their own trust must feel, knowing that their 'leader' cares so little for their wellbeing as to allow the property they have placed in your care to be treated with such disdain.
Personally, I would suggest that the reparations for such a slanderous and defamatory attack launched without this evidence should be, at the very least, one (presumably fitted) Legion class cruiser given to Snatch Boz. Whether or not the original owner of the missing, presumed lost ship of your fellow corp member is reimbursed is your choice, but there is definitely a moral obligation to make an attempt to do as such, even if an explicit demand is not made. |
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